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Arcite Valeheart's Monk and Champion Guide; version 1.0
Topic Started: Mar 3 2007, 10:03 PM (7,307 Views)
"pmpm"
mahal ko to eh... wala nang iba sia lang
mapapatay mo nmn ang mga champs na nakaGR ah wag lang nakaassump at champs na high vit... wag na nating asamin mapatay ang mga HP, LK, lahat ng high vit chars w/ 10k up HP or fully equips char /heh .. talagang lugeng luge tayo.. sana pde maenchant ng elemental ang EF =))
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aaron3000
Apr 29 2007, 02:28 AM
JosepH-KilluaZ
Apr 29 2007, 12:32 AM
may naisip ako na Build..

e2 po


STR 87 + 23 ( EE , Alice Doll )
VIT 28 + 8
INT 50 + 18
DEX 92 + 28 (2 N.Gloves)

ok lang po ganyan build .. ??

ok naman.... balanced build for me flexible sxa for WOE/PVP

Even sa WoE, ang 110 STR nowadays(if compared sa dati) hirap na din makapatay, I am already acquainted with some champs both OL and iRL with 110 STR, pero lahat sila admitted that hirap daw makapatay 110 STR with the following characters na mostly pa nga wala daw GR armor:

  • Paladin with defensive shield skills (i.e. Reflect Shield, Auto Guard and the like)
  • Lord Knights, especially those who are Berserk-buffed.
  • Even Assassin Crosses na medyo mataas HP.
  • High Priests with very high HP rating as well as Assumptio buff.
Although I'm not quite sure if they really knew whether meron nga bang GR as well as Deviling card yung mga mentioned nilang characters or wala, kasi I personally knew dati that 110 STR can kill even an LK with high VIT (110 STR ko nung monk pako, and I can kill one of my close friends with 100 VIT and immune, poopoo and cranial pero walang GR, sa WoE pa yun).

You can narrate guys your own personal experience na din para maenlighten tayo about the difference between various increments ng STR. Kasi I dont know if you have your own concepts din na hindi namin alam dito, especially in terms of builds na very effective pala, wala lang kaming alam lols :lol:

@pmpm

Eto din paniniwala ko dati, and I personally feel depressed dati even at school hours lols, na there is no absolute chance na makakapatay tayo ng mga nabanggit mong characters. But deep inside me, alam kong kaya, hindi ko pa lang alam kung paano. I waited for an opportunity na matuklasan ko what's the missing factor(s) na kulang sating mga monks/champs para makapatay tayo ng 1 shot most of the times sa almost lahat ng job classes, even high HP characters like LKs. And I did it. ANG SAYA2X KO NUN GRABE HAHAHAHA....

Naitumba ko nung February lang yung isa ko pang iRL close friend([W]oIfgang of Invictus Omega) with 120 VIT and poopoo, cranial at immune. Lols. Siege time pa yun =)) Inulit pa namin ilang beses, baka kasi na Lex Aeterna siya din lang namin napansin, pero deads talaga. =))
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anu ang Nid Mu para makapatay ka ng high Vit na naka GR.. High Int ba or nasa 130 ang STR mu? plz help me
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Arcite
Apr 30 2007, 07:56 PM
aaron3000
Apr 29 2007, 02:28 AM
JosepH-KilluaZ
Apr 29 2007, 12:32 AM
may naisip ako na Build..

e2 po


STR 87 + 23 ( EE , Alice Doll )
VIT 28 + 8
INT 50 + 18
DEX 92 + 28 (2 N.Gloves)

ok lang po ganyan build .. ??

ok naman.... balanced build for me flexible sxa for WOE/PVP

Even sa WoE, ang 110 STR nowadays(if compared sa dati) hirap na din makapatay, I am already acquainted with some champs both OL and iRL with 110 STR, pero lahat sila admitted that hirap daw makapatay 110 STR with the following characters na mostly pa nga wala daw GR armor:

  • Paladin with defensive shield skills (i.e. Reflect Shield, Auto Guard and the like)
  • Lord Knights, especially those who are Berserk-buffed.
  • Even Assassin Crosses na medyo mataas HP.
  • High Priests with very high HP rating as well as Assumptio buff.
Although I'm not quite sure if they really knew whether meron nga bang GR as well as Deviling card yung mga mentioned nilang characters or wala, kasi I personally knew dati that 110 STR can kill even an LK with high VIT (110 STR ko nung monk pako, and I can kill one of my close friends with 100 VIT and immune, poopoo and cranial pero walang GR, sa WoE pa yun).

You can narrate guys your own personal experience na din para maenlighten tayo about the difference between various increments ng STR. Kasi I dont know if you have your own concepts din na hindi namin alam dito, especially in terms of builds na very effective pala, wala lang kaming alam lols :lol:

@pmpm

Eto din paniniwala ko dati, and I personally feel depressed dati even at school hours lols, na there is no absolute chance na makakapatay tayo ng mga nabanggit mong characters. But deep inside me, alam kong kaya, hindi ko pa lang alam kung paano. I waited for an opportunity na matuklasan ko what's the missing factor(s) na kulang sating mga monks/champs para makapatay tayo ng 1 shot most of the times sa almost lahat ng job classes, even high HP characters like LKs. And I did it. ANG SAYA2X KO NUN GRABE HAHAHAHA....

Naitumba ko nung February lang yung isa ko pang iRL close friend([W]oIfgang of Invictus Omega) with 120 VIT and poopoo, cranial at immune. Lols. Siege time pa yun =)) Inulit pa namin ilang beses, baka kasi na Lex Aeterna siya din lang namin napansin, pero deads talaga. =))

i had a 110 str champ... in WOE i admit mhirap ka maka 1hit ng ef sa mga high vit charac if without proper gears dat increase your maximum sp.... nkaka 1hit ef naman sxa pero full sp EF :blink:
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"pmpm"
mahal ko to eh... wala nang iba sia lang
@killuaz
kung gusto mo talga maka 1 Hit ng EF gwa ka ng

champion pero pangWOE mo lang mggmit at sure ako bago ka makapagcast deds ka na... la talga paraan para maka1HIT ng high vit chars except iLelex ung character... hirap kasi ngayon nagkalat GR tapos w/ assumptio buffs pa and worst may bagong buffs ngayon na talgang nakakainit ng Ulo un ung tinatawag na SL powers =))

KAUPE + KAIZEL = ./.heh emoticon =)) tatawanan ka pa lol

eto pang one hit kaso 25 years talga casting
99str
99int
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@Fatality and pmpm

I definitely agree... 110 STR ngayon hirap maka 1 shot ng high VIT character, lalo na pag naka GR at Assumptio, kahit 130 pa STR nun, hindi madededs yun. Meginjard na lang pag-asa natin dito hahahaha.

Joseph-Killuaz, ang pinakaeffective na function na lang natin dito is to use EF so as to take at least a huge chunk of the target's HP. Bahala na ibang sweeper classes na pumatay dun sa target, especially Sin Xs na merong EDP SB at Wizzies na may SG. Killing a high VIT character with complete f*ckinsh*t equipments na galing sa either php or billions of zennies, na meron pang SL at Assumptio buffs is as of now IMPOSSIBLE.

If EF can be enchanted with at least a single element aside from the default neutral attribute, there's a very high chance na makapatay tayo ng 1 shot dun sa nabanggit na target. Who knows, ganun nga mangyari hindi ba? :lol:

Also, there's a rumor na meron daw bagong EF sa RO ng isang particular country, hindi ko lang talaga maalala kung saan ko nakita(search ko lang kasi sa Google), ang name daw ng bagong EF is ASURA KILLER WAVE, with both the overall functions of EF and Infiltration combined into a single devastating skill daw. Iba na rin damage formula, and I swear kung totoo man to, baka maging overpowered na naman ang EF lols. Sabi dun sa skill, ang EF mo pag mababa DEF nung target is yung normal max damage mo sa common na EF lang, but pag mataas DEF nung target mo, hamak na tataas pa EF damage mo lols. :lol:
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May 1 2007, 01:33 PM
@Fatality and pmpm

I definitely agree... 110 STR ngayon hirap maka 1 shot ng high VIT character, lalo na pag naka GR at Assumptio, kahit 130 pa STR nun, hindi madededs yun. Meginjard na lang pag-asa natin dito hahahaha.

Joseph-Killuaz, ang pinakaeffective na function na lang natin dito is to use EF so as to take at least a huge chunk of the target's HP. Bahala na ibang sweeper classes na pumatay dun sa target, especially Sin Xs na merong EDP SB at Wizzies na may SG. Killing a high VIT character with complete f*ckinsh*t equipments na galing sa either php or billions of zennies, na meron pang SL at Assumptio buffs is as of now IMPOSSIBLE.

If EF can be enchanted with at least a single element aside from the default neutral attribute, there's a very high chance na makapatay tayo ng 1 shot dun sa nabanggit na target. Who knows, ganun nga mangyari hindi ba? :lol:

Also, there's a rumor na meron daw bagong EF sa RO ng isang particular country, hindi ko lang talaga maalala kung saan ko nakita(search ko lang kasi sa Google), ang name daw ng bagong EF is ASURA KILLER WAVE, with both the overall functions of EF and Infiltration combined into a single devastating skill daw. Iba na rin damage formula, and I swear kung totoo man to, baka maging overpowered na naman ang EF lols. Sabi dun sa skill, ang EF mo pag mababa DEF nung target is yung normal max damage mo sa common na EF lang, but pag mataas DEF nung target mo, hamak na tataas pa EF damage mo lols. :lol:

pag na implement sa pRO yun sinasabi ni arcite na ASURA KILLER WAVE owning nanaman mga champ ni2 :lol:
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is job 50 for high acolytes a must? ano skills dapat ko kuhanin?

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"pmpm"
mahal ko to eh... wala nang iba sia lang
@tambay kiko
its a must..
ang kinuha ko kasi jan is

d very important BLESSING 10
HEAL-10
RUWACH-1
WARP-4
AGI-1
DEMON -10
ung isa pang skill for EF - 10
TELE-2
PNEUMA-1 ata

bsta gnyan lang no nid to add ng mga decrease habang aco pa siguro ikaw na magdesisyon kung un ang ilalagay mo kapag champion ka na..

@arcite and fatality
aba ok yan.. kapag low vit Parang Champion tayo
tapos kapag high vit nagiging Biochem tayo.. /gg
sarap nian wala nnmn makakapigil sana implement na agad yan.. db nila pansin kawawang kwawa na tayo... kaya ako indi ko maiwasan gumamit ng cloak sa pvp eh.. kasi ang nangyayari lagi ako kawawa... may SB jan may kung ano ano pang gngwa sayoo.. ikaw luge sa kadayaan nila.. kaya syempre to be fair makikisabay ka na din =)) kaya sa mga nagcocoment about sa cloak pagbigyan nio na kami.. kayo nga GR na pano nmn kaming mga walang GR at mga Slow cast =)) may SB pa na humahabol sa'yo =))
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ok po ba itong stat build ko po? pang WoE po sana...

STR: 91 + 12
AGI 1 + 9
VIT: 13 + 7
INT: 43 + 9
DEX: 95 +18
LUK: 1 + 3
[may extra 24 stat points]

Equips:
+9 Carat Ribbon
Evil Wing Ears
+9 FireLock Shoes
2 Gloves of Zerom
Humahard na Saint's Robe

HP:9245
SP: 1156
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"pmpm"
mahal ko to eh... wala nang iba sia lang
kung pang WOE mas nid mo ang Clip of mustle of Ring of mustle kahit wag na u gumamit ng Gloves of Zerom kasi taas na ng dex mo madadala na yan ng baps /no1
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^-- thanks po ^_^
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@tambay_kiko(btw, Insu GM ka nga pala dati, hehehe this is an honor hehe)

If pang WoE yan, like what pmpm said, taasan mo pa po STR mo. Mababa pa yan, hindi magiging ganung ka efficient paggamit mo ng EF(except kung asa ka sa Lex Aeterna which is very rare to occur in siege times). This can be achieved by either considering your build at an early phase, or yun nga gaya ng sabi ni pmpm, Ring of Muscle.

Heto High Acolyte skills ko na kinuha hehe:

Heal 3(Ginawa kong 10 using Champion skill points na sobra)
Blessing 10
Increase AGI 8(+10 sa AGI mo hehe)
Divine Protection 10
Demon Bane 10 (HINDI NAKAKATAAS NG EF TO)
Ruwach 1
Teleport 2
Warp Portal 4
Pneuma 1
TOTAL - 49 skill points (Job 50)

It is a must na Job 50, as napaka vital ng mga basic buff skills na yun na nga lang meron tayo(aside from Priests) na wala ang ibang job classes. And YOU NEED to max out Demon Bane and Divine Protection both to Level 10 (20 skill points consumed agad), kaya it is a must na Job 50 ka dude.

@pmpm

Nice explanations to tambay_kiko dude /salute

Btw, about your point sa cloaking ng mga SinXs, totoo yan sobra. Hindi ka na pwede makipag 1 on 1 sa isang SinX in normal circumstances, kasi dependent na sila masyado sa Cloaking EDP at biglang lilitaw na lang then SB. Of course may Ruwach tayo, but hindi habambuhay na magcacast ka ng Ruwach at aabangan mo yung SinX na lumitaw, dahil panigurado nakaamba na ang EDP SB sayo for sure. Solution dito is Maya Purple Card which is capable to detect all hidden enemies at a certain range, pero hindi lahat afford yun lols. Kaya sa totoo lang, dehado talaga tayo sa mga nakatago.

But hindi naman sa sinisisi ko sila, skill nila yun eh, ang main point ko lang dito is AS OF NOW we are not that capable of dealing with SinXs DIRECTLY. Lets just wait for future patches and baka magkatotoo nga yung Asura Killer Wave na sinasabi ko(galing, naintindihan nyo agad yung definition ng skill hahaha), at least yung mga naka GR and/or todo DEF na characters is tumba na agad lols. Kasi kahit sabihin na nakaGR pa yun, kung mataas naman ang overall DEF nya, kundi man mapatay yun ng 1 shot, magiging napakasakit nung EF lols.
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My thread entitled "Asura Killer Wave" (pinost ko lang dito contents hehehe):

The Extremity Fist we are familiar with will be revamped and be modified in the future patches(according to the source). What changes will be seen? According to the source:

  • The skill, instead of Asura Strike will now be called Asura Killer Wave(a direct translation from the Chinese term daw lols), and this new skill combines the power of Asura Strike and merges it with Psychic Wave(Infiltration). /omg

  • The new Asura Strike has also done away with the penalty of halted SP regeneration for 5 minutes after use(cooldown period), meaning that you can continue regenerating your SP immediately after using Asura Killer Wave. /gg

  • New damage formula of the skill: ATK*(8+SP/10)*[(Enemy Def+VIT)/50]*(1+Added damage from Psychic Wave)+Added damage (wala pa dito ang card modifier lols)
- well guys, hindi ko alam kung bogus 'to or totoo, I just got interested with this news and shinare ko lang. Yung new skill sa pagkakaintindi ko, will still have the same damage nung Asura Strike pa lang xa, meaning that if you can do a 50K damage to a monster, yun pa din ang pinakamababang EF damage na magagawa mo. Yung bagong change nga lang is due to the effect of Infiltration daw, which means that yung 50k na yun pwede pang tumaas pag mas mataas ang VIT and/or armor DEF ng kalaban mo. I don't know if the new skill daw is dependent on Infiltration's skill level, as wala namang sinabi, and if that new skill is implemented already on any RO.
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@Arcite
/omg

di po ako "GM" as GM na katulad nin kuya mark, meyn, veej, etc. gate defender lang ang mumunting High Acad. hehehe.

salamat sa tulong ser. btw, yung base str ko ba ok na? kasi yung dex feeling ko ok na siya sa taste ko. nasa 105 dex without blessing (kung naka RoM ako). n00b pa ako sa monk/champ job. kasi yung nagawa kong monk dati, pinilit ko lang i-transcend kasi naging vit monk siya. amf. 70 friggin' vit. hahaha. so ayun. :)
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@Arcite
/omg

di po ako "GM" as GM na katulad nin kuya mark, meyn, veej, etc. gate defender lang ang mumunting High Acad. hehehe.

salamat sa tulong ser. btw, yung base str ko ba ok na? kasi yung dex feeling ko ok na siya sa taste ko. nasa 105 dex without blessing (kung naka RoM ako). n00b pa ako sa monk/champ job. kasi yung nagawa kong monk dati, pinilit ko lang i-transcend kasi naging vit monk siya. amf. 70 friggin' vit. hahaha. so ayun. :)

Try to make you STR on increments of 10 po (i.e. 100, 110, 120 etc), yun din ang lagi kong ina-advise sa iba dito, as pag nasa 10s ang total STR mo, may extra ATK bonus na makakapagtaas ng EF mo significantly.

Also, tama yung DEX scheme mo na 105, kasi every 15 increments of DEX reduces any skill's cast rate by 10% (sa lagay ng DEX mo is 70% reduced ang cast rate ng EF mo).

About sa VIT, try to reach VIT rate where you could attain at least 9-10k ng HP. I suggest 23+7(30) VIT. /no1
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salamat :) mag stat calc ulit ako. :)
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"pmpm"
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@arcite
tapos may mga sinx pa na SD jan SD dito tapos magheheal ka bawas sp tapos kukulitin ka ulit =)) hanggang maubos SP mo kaheheal at kakapneuma.. =)) tapos ngayon sa sitwasyon ntin may SL pa may kaizel skill which kapag EF mo sia buhay parin sia kahit 50k bawas mo... db luge na talaga? may GR na jan , may kaupe na, may kaizel na, may SL EDP SB pa... talgang luge :(

Arcite
May 2 2007, 09:03 PM
My thread entitled "Asura Killer Wave" (pinost ko lang dito contents hehehe):

The Extremity Fist we are familiar with will be revamped and be modified in the future patches(according to the source). What changes will be seen? According to the source:


  • The skill, instead of Asura Strike will now be called Asura Killer Wave(a direct translation from the Chinese term daw lols), and this new skill combines the power of Asura Strike and merges it with Psychic Wave(Infiltration). /omg


  • The new Asura Strike has also done away with the penalty of halted SP regeneration for 5 minutes after use(cooldown period), meaning that you can continue regenerating your SP immediately after using Asura Killer Wave. /gg


  • New damage formula of the skill: ATK*(8+SP/10)*[(Enemy Def+VIT)/50]*(1+Added damage from Psychic Wave)+Added damage (wala pa dito ang card modifier lols)

- well guys, hindi ko alam kung bogus 'to or totoo, I just got interested with this news and shinare ko lang. Yung new skill sa pagkakaintindi ko, will still have the same damage nung Asura Strike pa lang xa, meaning that if you can do a 50K damage to a monster, yun pa din ang pinakamababang EF damage na magagawa mo. Yung bagong change nga lang is due to the effect of Infiltration daw, which means that yung 50k na yun pwede pang tumaas pag mas mataas ang VIT and/or armor DEF ng kalaban mo. I don't know if the new skill daw is dependent on Infiltration's skill level, as wala namang sinabi, and if that new skill is implemented already on any RO.

maganda sana to kaso baka matagal pa yan maimplement parang walang action na ginagawa LU para palakasin ang monk type chars.<_<. pero kung maimplement to sarap nian.. pang BOSS HUNT or pang PVP...

high vit boss doble bawas natin :lolwave:
sa pvp nmn karaniwan sa mga chars high vits narin kaya ok na ok gamitin
kaso kapag naimplement kaya sa atin yan may players pa /sob /sob :(
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@pmpm

CORRECT! =))

Ubos na SP mo bago ka pa makadiskarte lols. Hindi ko nga alam yung sa kaizel at kaupe, ngayon lang lols, and ang masasabi ko lang is talagang lugi tayo based on your definition hehe.

Sana nga lang totoo yung Asura Killer Wave, pag nagkataon, may chance na tayo sa lahat ng job classes na naka GR lols. Problema na lang natin kung paano maka survive, pero yung killing capability at least resolved na. :lol:

Try nyo research yung said skill, baka kasi hindi naman existing yun eh, nakita ko lang talaga sa isang forum ng ibang RO sa ibang bansa lols. D ko na maalala kung anong url. /sry
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may champion na ako sa wakas.

uh, kinuha ko pala yung signum crucis 1. hehehe. curious lang ako. /heh

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