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DOTA hero guide and item listings; For Newbies, Pro's and everyone else ^_^
Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 02:44 PM (154,450 Views)
Pilya-----#26
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final deliberation 03/19/07
Kula
Oct 12 2006, 04:11 AM
hmmm... ibang-iba ang view ko about backdoor. For me attacking a tower without creeps isn't necessarily a backdoor. IMO backdooring is attacking the base in a sneaky method. If you attack a tower without being sneaky then it shouldn't be a backdoor. Why? Let me ask you this:

Why do people hate backdoor?

The answer? Because people don't like sneaky bastards.

So what's the problem if they attacked your tower without creeps but they're not being sneaky about it? If we limit ourselves to the rule that backdooring is all about attacking towers/raxes without creeps then you will get a lot of <word filtered!> arguments.

Let me present you some examples. These examples are real and they all happend to me, you will see how <word filtered!> it is to say that you need creeps to attack tower.

1. We are pushing mid with tons of creeps. We reached the tower and we're pounding on it heavily. Enemy akasha comes and sonic waves us killing all of our creeps. Scourge team demanded that we back off from the tower because they have killed all of our creeps on the tower. Apparently the ultimate defense is to clear just the creeps because the enemy team is supposed to back off after that or else they are backdoorers. WTF IS THAT <word filtered!>?!

2. I, alone, have destroyed the 3rd tower fairly on scourge's right lane but I didn't destroy the rax because I have to run because I can see the scourge team closing on me on the minimap. We decided to push mid and we destroyed the mid tower and raxes. After this I proceeded to destroy the right raxes. Scourge called me a backdoorer because our creeps on the right lane aren't in their base. WTF I came in from the mid. I can attack anything I want since I entered the base fairly.

3. We were chasing 2 sentinel heroes in the forest and they ran back to their 2nd tower. Since we can tank the tower we still chased them and killed them while under tower fire. Now the tower is at 1/4th hp. Nothing too hard for 3 heroes with almost full hp to tank and destroy. We destroyed it and sentinel called us backdoorers because the creeps aren't there. They ran back to the tower and used it as an additional firepower on the skirmish, it should be fair game then.

See? If those happened to you, you will get pissed off. This is Defense of the Ancients and not Follow your creeps to the Ancients.

Remember, you only have your own incompetence to blame if you let people destroy your towers and raxes when the opposition charged from the front. Kitang-kita na nga kung saan sila manggagaling hindi pa kayo dedepensa? Saying "nanday kayo kasi walang creeps" is lame.

tama.. nangyari na yan to me.. tsk tsk...

"ui wlang creeps!" laging ganun!! taena talaga.. cnsabi ko na lng sa mga kalaban ko "PWEDE BA!?"
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Im blind not deaf
Hehehe.. I hate those <word filtered!>s.
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<<Jek>>
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In The Depths Of The Realm...
kajika
Oct 11 2006, 07:43 PM
Taena talaga yang backdoor na yan. May nakapustahan kami lamang na kami sa push. 3rd tower na tapos patay 3 sa kanila (4on4). Parang hindi sinasadyang natira ni Lich ng 1 beses yung tower ng walang creeps, backdoor na daw yun. Nauwi tuloy sa tabla kasi papasok na kami, binalik nalang ng kakampi ko yung pusta. Kung ako lang, hindi ako papayag dun eh yung tira ni Lich hindi naman masyadong significant. E kung backdoor yun. mas backdoor pa yung Rasta nila di ba? Naglalagay sya ng wards sa harap ng tower kahit hindi tinitira ng creeps nya yung tower. /pif

Mali un ang backdoor pag wlang creeps tpos inatake mo ung tower
Pero pag meron tpos naubos ung creeps mo habang sinisira nyo ung tower ok lang yun d backdoor un
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Taena talaga yang backdoor na yan. May nakapustahan kami lamang na kami sa push. 3rd tower na tapos patay 3 sa kanila (4on4). Parang hindi sinasadyang natira ni Lich ng 1 beses yung tower ng walang creeps, backdoor na daw yun. Nauwi tuloy sa tabla kasi papasok na kami, binalik nalang ng kakampi ko yung pusta. Kung ako lang, hindi ako papayag dun eh yung tira ni Lich hindi naman masyadong significant. E kung backdoor yun. mas backdoor pa yung Rasta nila di ba? Naglalagay sya ng wards sa harap ng tower kahit hindi tinitira ng creeps nya yung tower.


kwento nga sakin ni chito hahahaha =))

tsk tsk tsk!!!

dapat sa xcube nyo pinaglaro AHAHHAH!!!!







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Krist
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Waaaah naglaro ako ulet ng DotA bano na ko. :rofl: feeeeeder /sob
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Im blind not deaf
Naglaro din ako kahapon trip lang.

Tapos ang narandom ko pa si Nessaj << Di ko gnagamit.

/heh Anlakas pala nun /heh

Kaso na-bubully ako nung una /sob
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Krist
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Malakas naman Nessaj a, yun nga lang malambot sya. Pero malakas yan pag 16 na. Basta meron kang items. Either HoT o S&Y Malakas sya e.
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Yan nga ni-buo ko..

S&Y tapos HoT.. Tapos ewan ko ano naisip ko bakit nag Radiance ako.. /heh
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Synth10Cya™
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anu ang gamit na nilalagay nyo kay visage?
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^- I have absolutely no idea :D
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Cheer up emo kid!
Kula
Oct 12 2006, 04:11 AM
hmmm... ibang-iba ang view ko about backdoor. For me attacking a tower without creeps isn't necessarily a backdoor. IMO backdooring is attacking the base in a sneaky method. If you attack a tower without being sneaky then it shouldn't be a backdoor. Why? Let me ask you this:

Why do people hate backdoor?

The answer? Because people don't like sneaky bastards.

So what's the problem if they attacked your tower without creeps but they're not being sneaky about it? If we limit ourselves to the rule that backdooring is all about attacking towers/raxes without creeps then you will get a lot of <word filtered!> arguments.

Let me present you some examples. These examples are real and they all happend to me, you will see how <word filtered!> it is to say that you need creeps to attack tower.

1. We are pushing mid with tons of creeps. We reached the tower and we're pounding on it heavily. Enemy akasha comes and sonic waves us killing all of our creeps. Scourge team demanded that we back off from the tower because they have killed all of our creeps on the tower. Apparently the ultimate defense is to clear just the creeps because the enemy team is supposed to back off after that or else they are backdoorers. WTF IS THAT <word filtered!>?!

2. I, alone, have destroyed the 3rd tower fairly on scourge's right lane but I didn't destroy the rax because I have to run because I can see the scourge team closing on me on the minimap. We decided to push mid and we destroyed the mid tower and raxes. After this I proceeded to destroy the right raxes. Scourge called me a backdoorer because our creeps on the right lane aren't in their base. WTF I came in from the mid. I can attack anything I want since I entered the base fairly.

3. We were chasing 2 sentinel heroes in the forest and they ran back to their 2nd tower. Since we can tank the tower we still chased them and killed them while under tower fire. Now the tower is at 1/4th hp. Nothing too hard for 3 heroes with almost full hp to tank and destroy. We destroyed it and sentinel called us backdoorers because the creeps aren't there. They ran back to the tower and used it as an additional firepower on the skirmish, it should be fair game then.

See? If those happened to you, you will get pissed off. This is Defense of the Ancients and not Follow your creeps to the Ancients.

Remember, you only have your own incompetence to blame if you let people destroy your towers and raxes when the opposition charged from the front. Kitang-kita na nga kung saan sila manggagaling hindi pa kayo dedepensa? Saying "nanday kayo kasi walang creeps" is lame.

I agree.

Kanina nung binabasa ko ung backdoor lich eh parang nagtaka ako, mali yta paggamit nila ng word na backdoor.
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Synth10Cya™
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AP na ba mag pustahan ngaun?
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Synth10Cya™
Oct 18 2006, 12:38 PM
AP na ba mag pustahan ngaun?

alam ko team pick parin e, depende nalang siguro sa mga kalaro mo. :D

sarap ng laro ko kanina a, sven hehehe :rofl: kinain buhay lahat e, wakekkee :yahoo:
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speaking of Sven, ano item build niyo sa kanya... idol ko magagaling gumamit ng Sven.. hehe...
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^The usual items.

Some go for S&Y
Some go for HoT

I go for Skadi and I don't know why/heh
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kajika
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Items ko kay sven MoM, Threads, Crystalis then Buriza
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n-swiss
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Bkb lng tapos 2-3pcs n bracer at treads bully n yang si sven!!!
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Kula
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Nice day today, Akiha-sama. A bit too hot though...
Synth10Cya™
Oct 17 2006, 11:35 AM
anu ang gamit na nilalagay nyo kay visage?

Hindi ako masyado experienced with Visage but these are the ideal items for Visage:

Necronomicon
Radiance/MKB/Buriza take your pick
Heart
and aura items like basillus and meka

Visage's role is DPS/tank. Late game visage can soak a lot of damage because of Gravekeeper's Cloak.

Personally I tend to farm to radiance first then get necronomicon.
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kajika
Oct 18 2006, 11:10 PM
Items ko kay sven MoM, Threads, Crystalis then Buriza

Ginawa ko nung game is..

Ring of Regeneration
Eat-Da-Puno item :rofl:
Ironwood Branch

then
Ogre Axe (yung +10 STR)
Boots->Threads
MoM
Divine
Fullplate

:rofl: dito palang tapos na e, walang GS 2 hits lang after StormBolt yung kalaban. Lahat naikutan ko ng kills e :rofl:

Nag-init lahat ng kasama ko sa DotA kahapon (RFZ,Ecce,Ultimang~Weapon)

Binackdoor kasi kami sabi nung Magina : "Red naman na kasi life ng tower e" :rofl:
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wakoko pag RED pala pde Backdoor kulet amf ahhaha

gamit ko kay sven S & Y parin >.<
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