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| van.allen | Apr 24 2006, 06:17 PM Post #61 |
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@123 yup. since kahit mag blink out si magina matatamaan parin sya nung nether wards mdali tlga shang i pawn early game pero kapag nagka items na sya nakow.. prang syang ung isang seigaku regular(forgot the name) ung nag o-on-fire kapag nakahawak ng tennis racket. ill try to make a chen guide. about dun sa linken's sphere n pang counter kay magina not sure lng kung mablock nya ng buo ung mana void. since there are two parts ng mana void, ung damage and ung stun. not sure lng kung ung stun or ung damage or both ung nabloblock. need to check pa |
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| Krist | Apr 24 2006, 07:27 PM Post #62 |
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gay po me ... ? Ü
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Mapapaikot ng Mana Burn yung Linken effect di ba? :rofl: Disable ang panapat kay Magina, low HP naman e. |
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| Krist | Apr 24 2006, 07:27 PM Post #63 |
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gay po me ... ? Ü
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Mapapaikot ng Mana Burn yung Linken effect di ba? :rofl: Disable ang panapat kay Magina, low HP naman e. |
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| van.allen | Apr 24 2006, 07:47 PM Post #64 |
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Posted Image Chen - The Holy Knight Range: 600 | | Move Speed: 295 | Primary: INT Str: 20 + 1.5 | Agi: 15 + 2.1 | Int: 21 + 2.8 Damage: 43 - 53 | HP: 530 | Mana: 273 HP Regen: 0.85 | Mana Regen: 0.85 Attack Speed: 1.44 (+ 15% IAS) | Armor: 2.1 Skills Posted Image Penitence (E) Forces a unit to accept punishment for their sins, causing them to move slower and accept more damage from attacks or spells. Lasts 7 seconds. Level 1 - 8% movement speed reduction, and 7% increased damage taken. Level 2 - 16% movement speed reduction, and 14% increased damage taken. Level 3 - 24% movement speed reduction, and 21% increased damage taken. Level 4 - 32% movement speed reduction, and 28% increased damage taken. Mana Cost: 100 Cooldown: 15 Posted Image Test of Faith (F) If cast on enemy, will deal variable damage based on the units faith. If cast on allied Hero, it will teleport him to the fountain. Allies can ignore the effect of Test of Faith by typing -disablehelp in advance, and type -enablehelp if they need it. Instantly teleports Chen's persuaded units to the fountain. (Note: Faith seems to mean completely random) Level 1 - 50-100 Damage to foes, 6 second casting time for allies. Level 2 - 100-200 Damage to foes, 5 second casting time for allies. Level 4 - 150-300 Damage to foes, 4 second casting time for allies. Level 1 - 200-400 Damage to foes, 3 second casting time for allies. Mana Cost: 175 Cooldown: 30 Posted Image Holy Persuasion ® Takes control of a target unit. Cannot persuade allied units, Ancients, enemy hero images, and Necronomicon summons. If the persuaded unit has timed life, it will die after the timer is over. If you persuade additional units after you've persuaded the maximum number of units, one of the units, not necessarily the last one, will die. Level 1 - 1 Unit Max. 75 HP Bonus. Level 2 - 1 Unit Max. 150 HP Bonus. Level 3 - 2 Unit Max. 225 HP Bonus. Level 4 - 3 Unit Max. 300 HP Bonus. Mana Cost: 100 Cooldown: 30 Posted Image Hand of God (D) Fully Regenerates your own units, which may include your chicken, converted creeps, Necronomicon summons and images etc. Heals all allied heores on the map. Level 1 - 200 HP Healed. Level 2 - 300 HP Healed. Level 3 - 400 HP Healed. Mana Cost: 200 / 300 / 400 Cooldown: 120 thx to dotaportal for these infos and icons ^_^ now before going to skill and item builds let me first introduce to you two types of chen build. The Holy Persuasion/Penitence(Creep master/hero killer/full support/pusher build) and the Penitence/Test of Faith (herokiller build) There are pros and cons in each type of build and let me explain them to you Creep Master build Pros: 1. extremely good pusher 2. extremely good hero killer 3. extremely good farmer 4. average team support hero Cons: 1. VERY HARD to master (you'll be needing micros to get the job done) 2. chen w/o creeps is useless and creeps w/o chen are useless too. Penitence/Test of faith build Pros: 1. extremely good hero killer 2. easy to handle Cons: 1. test of faith does random damage from 200-400(level 4). 2. chen is pretty much vulnerable w/o creeps i would suggest for beginners to use the penitence/test of faith build because controlling 4 units at a time is a tough job. For average players i would suggest them to have a hybrid build(persuade 1-2 creeps at a time). For pros, go for creep master build. Skill build: Creep Master build 1. Holy Persuasion 2. Penitence 3. Holy Persuasion 4. Test of faith 5. Holy Persuasion 6. Hand of God 7. Holy Persuasion 8. Penitence 9. Penitence 10. Penitence 11. Hand of God 12-15. Stat 16. Hand of God 17-18. Stat 19-21. Test of Faith 22-25. Stat As you've noticed i put a lvl 1 test of faith on chen. this is used to teleport your creeps/allied hero to safety. Penitence is needed because of it's movement speed reduction and for enemy heroes to take more damage. Penitence/Test of Faith build 1. Test of Faith 2. Penitence 3. Test of Faith 4. Penitence 5. Test of Faith 6. Hand of God 7. Test of Faith 8. Penitence 9. Penitence 10. Stat 11. Hand of GOd 12-15. Stat 16. Hand of God 17-21. Stat 22-25. Holy Persuasion Item build: Posted Image boots of speed cost: 500 +50 movespeed >.< try to upgrade it to BoT Posted Image Null talisman Item Requirements Posted Image + Posted Image Circlet of Nobility + Mantle of Intelligence Cost: 185 + 150 +175 = 510 all around item. i recommend having atleast 1-2 pcs Posted Image Mekansm Item Requirements Posted Image + Posted Image = Posted Image Chainmail + Ironwood Branch = Netherizm Buckler Posted Image + Posted Image = Posted Image Ring of Regeneration + Ironwood Branch = Headdress of Rejuvenation Posted Image + Posted Image = Posted Image Headdress of Rejuvenation + Netherizm Buckler = Mekansm Total Cost: 2434 the regen aura and the 250 aoe heal is pretty useful. make it your first item after boots of speed and a couple of nulls Posted Image Eul's Scepter of Divinity Item Requirements: Posted Image + Posted Image + Posted Image Staff of Wizardry + Robe of the Magi + Void Stone Total Cost: 2350 good escape/gang bang item. Posted Image Guinsoo Schyte of Vyse Item Requirements: Posted Image + Posted Image Euls Scepter of Divinity + Oblivion Staff Total Cost: 5175 After the Cyclone charges of euls are all used up. try to upgrade ESoD to GSoV. Posted Image Eye of Skadi Item Requirements: Posted Image + Posted Image + Posted Image Ultimate Orb + Ultimate Orb + Point Booster Total Cost: 7050 slows enemy(not an orb effect in ranged heroes). good for chasing/killing heroes. Posted Image Helm of Dominator Posted Image + Posted Image Mask of Death + Helm of Ironwill Total Cost: 1850 15% lifesteal(orb effect) + ability to dominate a creep for a period of time. (ill be adding more items and complete the details when im in the mood.) Strategy: Creep Master build: 1. if you'll be playing on sentinel side, go for the bottom lane and if you'll be playing on scourge side, go for top lane. Why? neutral creeps are more accessible in those places. 2. There are 3 creeps that you need to watch out. The Satyr Hellcaller, Polar Ursa Furbolg Warrior(the lvl 5) and the Centaur Khan. Why? > these creeps have auras > these creeps do chaos damage > they have higher hp > they also have active skills(satyr hellcaster's shockwave can deal 100 solid damage to towers in 6.27b) 3. always remember that chen w/o creeps and creeps w/o chen are useless. never leave each other behind. 4. use hand of god a lot. save your own creeps. treat them like your own hero or ally. 5. also remember that your creeps also have skills. use them to your advantage. 6. Always come from the back of the enemy. Cast penitence on the target enemy hero and gangbang him to death. this is the tricky part. i dont know if you'll be comfortable in this style of micro management but i like this style better. Form groups of party using ctrl+(number) or you can add units in a group using shift+(number). For example. In group 1 i have chen and all of his persuaded creeps. in group 2 i have centaur khan. in group 3 i have ursa furbolg in group 4 i have satyr hellcaster in group 5 i have all of his persuaded creeps. in this manner, i can command each creep or the whole group more efficiently and use each active skill they have. also in this way you can view all hp/sp of units that you are currently controlling my common mistake is that sometimes i jumble the groupings (ex i put satyr in group 2 and centaur in 4). and it is annoying when i would try to stop sandking from casting epicenter but i cant locate where my centaur khan or my furbolg is because i misplaced them in grouping. there is a trick to avoid this even if you jumbled the groupings. after you have been impaled and sandking casted the epicenter press 5 immediately(group of all creeps) and press "T" immediately. its the shortcut for selecting all of the creeps and for centaur/ursa to use the stomp skill. in hero chase situations i dont usually use the stomp because penitence is much more effective. neutral creeps spawn at exactly 2minutes after the game started. normal creeps spawn at 1min and 30secs. this should be noted because it is better if you would first lvl up to lvl 2 before dominating a creep. Penitence/Test of Faith Build 1. there is only a single strat that i use in this build. always cast penitence first before test of faith. in this way you could deal more damage to the enemy. How to counter chen: 1. Hands of Midas - convert chen's creeps to gold. note that satyr hellcaller is the only creep that is immune to hands of midas. 2. Marksmanship(lvl 6 skill of traxex) - by chance traxex can instantly kill a enemy creep while attacking it. note that only satyr hellcaller is the only creep immune to this. 3. Helm of Dominator - If i cant beat chen, Let his creeps join me! Gain Control of chen's persuaded unit. although this is reversible by casting persuasion again to the dominated creep but the effect is that the creep would retain the timed life it got from the helm of dominator. 4. Observer/Sentry Wards - Prevention is better than cure. Place observer wards or sentry wards to neutral creep camps and kill the creeps in the camp. as long as the wards are there, no creeps would spawn. 5. Broodmother's web - works the same way as sentry wards but this is better since webs are permanent(well almost). 6. AoE skills - pulse nova / epicenter are pain in the <word filtered!> for chen. thx to dotaportal and dota-allstars.com for the icons and hero stats/skills |
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| iani | Apr 24 2006, 09:14 PM Post #65 |
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thanks for the chen guide... i hate it na nerf nila cya... i just need some tips on how to use him effectively... |
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| van.allen | Apr 24 2006, 09:24 PM Post #66 |
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honestly 3x ko plang nagagamit si chen. ginawa ko yang guide n yan based on my experience kung pano ako lumaban ng chen. ill also add strats to counter him like hands of midas/traxex ulti/helm of domi etc/wards etc. too bad i cant upload replays >.< mas informative kc un hehehe |
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| -123- | Apr 24 2006, 09:54 PM Post #67 |
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ang mahirap kay chen ung micro management ng mga creeps mo minsan labo labo na.. :D |
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| van.allen | Apr 25 2006, 01:22 PM Post #68 |
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hehe malapit ko na matapos ung chen guide ^_^ tapusin ko muna assignment ko sa diff calculus potek ang hirap. >.< @123 uu mnsan nkakapanic kpag ang daming hero hehehe. mahirap din kc kpag ung kalaban aim agad kay chen. |
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| myfinalsummer | Apr 25 2006, 09:25 PM Post #69 |
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i think pwede rin lagyan ng necronomicon c chen... well, i do... hirap nga lng mag micromanage ng mga creeps... esp pag dami ka heroes... /wah para akong mapapraning kung ano creeps or skill gamitin ko... :rofl: anyways, nice guide... /no1 |
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| Krist | Apr 25 2006, 09:52 PM Post #70 |
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gay po me ... ? Ü
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Mekansm , Guinsoo Staff? /heh |
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| van.allen | Apr 25 2006, 10:54 PM Post #71 |
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since necronomicon was nerfed.. i dont really suggest using it.. pero natry ko n sya once.. super useful din kaso nakakahilo. 1 hero + 3 creeps + 2 necro summon grabe muntik n akong mabaliw! isa pa useful lng ang necro book once na upgrade mo sya to lvl 3. maxadong magastos un.. >.< guinsoo? yup very useful. d ko p kc tapos ung guide. ung euls after maubos ung charges i suggest upgrading it to guinsoo |
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| myfinalsummer | Apr 26 2006, 12:24 AM Post #72 |
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@van.hallen nanerf ang necro?!!? awts.. amf naman.. di na kse ako nkkapag laro eh.. busy sa pag aayos ng transcript sa skul... /swt meka is very useful din kay chen.. /no1 nice guide nga pala.. :clapping: :good: |
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| -123- | Apr 26 2006, 04:06 AM Post #73 |
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helm of dominator.. ok din.. dagdag crips heheh |
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| myfinalsummer | Apr 26 2006, 07:24 PM Post #74 |
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cguro nga sa 6. 29 nanerf ung necro... kse pag labas nung 6.29 di n ko masyado nakakapag laro eh.. |
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| van.allen | Apr 26 2006, 07:41 PM Post #75 |
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updated my chen guide.. almost finished.. konting details nlng tapos ung icons ausin ko hehe pati add p ko ng strat sa penitence/test of faith build enjoy ^_^ edit: grrrrr bd3p sira ung thread natin!!!!!!!!!!!!! ginawa ko n lahat.. nag delete n ko ng ibang post ko para umangat ung ibang msg pero di prin makita ung ibang msg. sana maayos nman to |
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| killer_paolo | Apr 28 2006, 09:25 AM Post #76 |
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Rafflesia
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guyz gawa nmn po kayo guide kay luna moonfang tpos kay nessaj /heh |
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| bonoyzkie | Apr 28 2006, 12:07 PM Post #77 |
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The start of a Dwayne Wade Era . . . .
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ei, guyz. . . lam ko busy kayong lahat!! ^^ pro pde ba humingi ng guide kay razor or kay naix??! salamaz!! ^^ :D |
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| van.allen | Apr 28 2006, 09:34 PM Post #78 |
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errm try ko gumawa pero not sure kung kelan.. >.< |
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| K Dash | Apr 29 2006, 03:51 PM Post #79 |
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Plasma (Blue)
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nice, chen guide.. /no1 |
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| carrot17 | Apr 30 2006, 12:02 PM Post #80 |
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amfffffffffff!!!! mga noob...... di nyo ba alam na orb effects do not stack? ibig sabihin di pde gumana ng sbay ang eye of skadii at helm of domi or ung s and y at 3rd skill ni sandking.....amf... mga nooBz..... di pde mag sbay ang dlwang orb effectz... amf...... ^_^ TIP lng po yan... and dun sa pudge.... pang early game killing po c pudge... ^_^ ksi pg tumagal na ung laro lalaki na hp ng mga kalaban at mgiging kiliti na lng ang bwas ni pudge.... i prefer na c chen ay wag na mag eye of skadii ksi at mag aegis na lng.... tol e2 ang build koh kay pudge.... 2 perseverance.. 2 aegis... 1 boots of travel.. heart of tarasques... ^_^ mga repapeepz di po me nag yayabang.... bka po ksi sbihin nyo maangaz ako... dota adik lng po me tlga at gus2 ko lng mg share..... ngpatanggal ako ng dsl pra lng mkpag dota... ksi pag may dsl ntutukso me mag ragna eh... hehehehehe... ^_^ |
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