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DOTA hero guide and item listings; For Newbies, Pro's and everyone else ^_^
Topic Started: Apr 11 2006, 02:44 PM (154,467 Views)
myfinalsummer
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Love Is The Slowest Form Of Suicide...
Anatole
Aug 29 2006, 09:15 PM
di na nagsastack yung add on ng warpath, fixed na yung bonus. kumbaga pinapalitan mo lang dun is cool down. yung quill spray kung makareceive ka ng damage auto-spray yung skill nyang bristleback, may additional damage ata kung maspam mo enough yung spray.

actually may bug ung quill spray ni bristleback sa 6.35b version... pag nag quill spray ka, it activates warpath... kaya pwede mong ispam ung quill spray to have unli warpath...
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Kula
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Nice day today, Akiha-sama. A bit too hot though...
errr... that's not a bug. Warpath is meant to activate if you use quillspray or goo. It has been like that since ummm.... 6.33
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^yup kasabay ng changes sa skills ni Avernus yung kay Bristleback
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^- Oo nga kaya nga tanong ko. Uhmm kapag madami beses ka nag Quill Spray pabilis ng pabilis atkspd mo? Sorry Im too newb :D :crazy:
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Kula
Aug 30 2006, 12:57 AM
errr... that's not a bug. Warpath is meant to activate if you use quillspray or goo. It has been like that since ummm.... 6.33

ahh ganun ba?!? im not a fan of bristleback kse eh.. hehehe... thanks for the correction... kala ko kse dati bug un... :p
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peeps pano kaya tapatan nung mga creeps ni chen?
hirap ubusin lalo na pag dumami na...
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Aug 30 2006, 03:06 PM
peeps pano kaya tapatan nung mga creeps ni chen?
hirap ubusin lalo na pag dumami na...

Hand Of Midas is the solution my friend... :D :good:
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please define BACKDOOR?

is going "for the tower" when all your creeps have died may be defined as BACKDOOR?
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iba iba definition ng backdoor.. sa mga nakakalaban namin sa taft ang pag meron kang creeps at hinatid ka sa tower, kahit maubus na clang lahat pde mo na tankehin un tower para masira to... sa iba kase kelangn pag tntra mo un tower meron kang creeps..
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Apr 24 2006, 07:47 PM
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Chen - The Holy Knight
Range: 600 | | Move Speed: 295 | Primary: INT
Str: 20 + 1.5 | Agi: 15 + 2.1 | Int: 21 + 2.8
Damage: 43 - 53 | HP: 530 | Mana: 273
HP Regen: 0.85 | Mana Regen: 0.85
Attack Speed: 1.44 (+ 15% IAS) | Armor: 2.1

Skills

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Penitence (E)
Forces a unit to accept punishment for their sins, causing them to move slower and accept more damage from attacks or spells. Lasts 7 seconds.
Level 1 - 8% movement speed reduction, and 7% increased damage taken.
Level 2 - 16% movement speed reduction, and 14% increased damage taken.
Level 3 - 24% movement speed reduction, and 21% increased damage taken.
Level 4 - 32% movement speed reduction, and 28% increased damage taken.
Mana Cost: 100
Cooldown: 15

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Test of Faith (F)
If cast on enemy, will deal variable damage based on the units faith.
If cast on allied Hero, it will teleport him to the fountain. Allies can ignore the effect of Test of Faith by typing -disablehelp in advance, and type -enablehelp if they need it.
Instantly teleports Chen's persuaded units to the fountain.
(Note: Faith seems to mean completely random)
Level 1 - 50-100 Damage to foes, 6 second casting time for allies.
Level 2 - 100-200 Damage to foes, 5 second casting time for allies.
Level 4 - 150-300 Damage to foes, 4 second casting time for allies.
Level 1 - 200-400 Damage to foes, 3 second casting time for allies.
Mana Cost: 175
Cooldown: 30

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Holy Persuasion ®
Takes control of a target unit. Cannot persuade allied units, Ancients, enemy hero images, and Necronomicon summons. If the persuaded unit has timed life, it will die after the timer is over.
If you persuade additional units after you've persuaded the maximum number of units, one of the units, not necessarily the last one, will die.
Level 1 - 1 Unit Max. 75 HP Bonus.
Level 2 - 1 Unit Max. 150 HP Bonus.
Level 3 - 2 Unit Max. 225 HP Bonus.
Level 4 - 3 Unit Max. 300 HP Bonus.
Mana Cost: 100
Cooldown: 30

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Hand of God (D)
Fully Regenerates your own units, which may include your chicken, converted creeps, Necronomicon summons and images etc. Heals all allied heores on the map.
Level 1 - 200 HP Healed.
Level 2 - 300 HP Healed.
Level 3 - 400 HP Healed.
Mana Cost: 200 / 300 / 400
Cooldown: 120

thx to dotaportal for these infos and icons ^_^

now before going to skill and item builds let me first introduce to you two types of chen build. The Holy Persuasion/Penitence(Creep master/hero killer/full support/pusher build) and the Penitence/Test of Faith (herokiller build)
There are pros and cons in each type of build and let me explain them to you

Creep Master build
Pros:
1. extremely good pusher
2. extremely good hero killer
3. extremely good farmer
4. average team support hero

Cons:
1. VERY HARD to master (you'll be needing micros to get the job done)
2. chen w/o creeps is useless and creeps w/o chen are useless too.

Penitence/Test of faith build
Pros:
1. extremely good hero killer
2. easy to handle

Cons:
1. test of faith does random damage from 200-400(level 4).
2. chen is pretty much vulnerable w/o creeps

i would suggest for beginners to use the penitence/test of faith build because controlling 4 units at a time is a tough job. For average players i would suggest them to have a hybrid build(persuade 1-2 creeps at a time). For pros, go for creep master build.

Skill build:

Creep Master build

1. Holy Persuasion
2. Penitence
3. Holy Persuasion
4. Test of faith
5. Holy Persuasion
6. Hand of God
7. Holy Persuasion
8. Penitence
9. Penitence
10. Penitence
11. Hand of God
12-15. Stat
16. Hand of God
17-18. Stat
19-21. Test of Faith
22-25. Stat

As you've noticed i put a lvl 1 test of faith on chen. this is used to teleport your creeps/allied hero to safety. Penitence is needed because of it's movement speed reduction and for enemy heroes to take more damage.

Penitence/Test of Faith build
1. Test of Faith
2. Penitence
3. Test of Faith
4. Penitence
5. Test of Faith
6. Hand of God
7. Test of Faith
8. Penitence
9. Penitence
10. Stat
11. Hand of GOd
12-15. Stat
16. Hand of God
17-21. Stat
22-25. Holy Persuasion

Item build:

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boots of speed
cost: 500
+50 movespeed >.< try to upgrade it to BoT

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Null talisman
Item Requirements
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Circlet of Nobility + Mantle of Intelligence
Cost: 185 + 150 +175 = 510
all around item. i recommend having atleast 1-2 pcs

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Mekansm
Item Requirements
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Chainmail + Ironwood Branch = Netherizm Buckler
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Ring of Regeneration + Ironwood Branch = Headdress of Rejuvenation
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Headdress of Rejuvenation + Netherizm Buckler = Mekansm
Total Cost: 2434
the regen aura and the 250 aoe heal is pretty useful. make it your first item after boots of speed and a couple of nulls

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Eul's Scepter of Divinity
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Staff of Wizardry + Robe of the Magi + Void Stone
Total Cost: 2350

good escape/gang bang item.

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Guinsoo Schyte of Vyse
Item Requirements:
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Euls Scepter of Divinity + Oblivion Staff
Total Cost: 5175
After the Cyclone charges of euls are all used up. try to upgrade ESoD to GSoV.

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Eye of Skadi
Item Requirements:
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Ultimate Orb + Ultimate Orb + Point Booster
Total Cost: 7050
slows enemy(not an orb effect in ranged heroes). good for chasing/killing heroes.

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Helm of Dominator
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Mask of Death + Helm of Ironwill
Total Cost: 1850
15% lifesteal(orb effect) + ability to dominate a creep for a period of time.

(ill be adding more items and complete the details when im in the mood.)

Strategy:

Creep Master build:
1. if you'll be playing on sentinel side, go for the bottom lane and if you'll be playing on scourge side, go for top lane. Why? neutral creeps are more accessible in those places.
2. There are 3 creeps that you need to watch out. The Satyr Hellcaller, Polar Ursa Furbolg Warrior(the lvl 5) and the Centaur Khan.

Why?

> these creeps have auras
> these creeps do chaos damage
> they have higher hp
> they also have active skills(satyr hellcaster's shockwave can deal 100 solid damage to towers in 6.27b)

3. always remember that chen w/o creeps and creeps w/o chen are useless. never leave each other behind.
4. use hand of god a lot. save your own creeps. treat them like your own hero or ally.
5. also remember that your creeps also have skills. use them to your advantage.
6. Always come from the back of the enemy. Cast penitence on the target enemy hero and gangbang him to death.

this is the tricky part. i dont know if you'll be comfortable in this style of micro management but i like this style better.

Form groups of party using ctrl+(number) or you can add units in a group using shift+(number).

For example.

In group 1 i have chen and all of his persuaded creeps.
in group 2 i have centaur khan.
in group 3 i have ursa furbolg
in group 4 i have satyr hellcaster
in group 5 i have all of his persuaded creeps.

in this manner, i can command each creep or the whole group more efficiently and use each active skill they have. also in this way you can view all hp/sp of units that you are currently controlling

my common mistake is that sometimes i jumble the groupings (ex i put satyr in group 2 and centaur in 4). and it is annoying when i would try to stop sandking from casting epicenter but i cant locate where my centaur khan or my furbolg is because i misplaced them in grouping.
there is a trick to avoid this even if you jumbled the groupings. after you have been impaled and sandking casted the epicenter press 5 immediately(group of all creeps) and press "T" immediately. its the shortcut for selecting all of the creeps and for centaur/ursa to use the stomp skill.

in hero chase situations i dont usually use the stomp because penitence is much more effective.

neutral creeps spawn at exactly 2minutes after the game started. normal creeps spawn at 1min and 30secs. this should be noted because it is better if you would first lvl up to lvl 2 before dominating a creep.

Penitence/Test of Faith Build

1. there is only a single strat that i use in this build. always cast penitence first before test of faith. in this way you could deal more damage to the enemy.

How to counter chen:
1. Hands of Midas - convert chen's creeps to gold. note that satyr hellcaller is the only creep that is immune to hands of midas.

2. Marksmanship(lvl 6 skill of traxex) - by chance traxex can instantly kill a enemy creep while attacking it. note that only satyr hellcaller is the only creep immune to this.

3. Helm of Dominator - If i cant beat chen, Let his creeps join me! Gain Control of chen's persuaded unit. although this is reversible by casting persuasion again to the dominated creep but the effect is that the creep would retain the timed life it got from the helm of dominator.

4. Observer/Sentry Wards - Prevention is better than cure. Place observer wards or sentry wards to neutral creep camps and kill the creeps in the camp. as long as the wards are there, no creeps would spawn.

5. Broodmother's web - works the same way as sentry wards but this is better since webs are permanent(well almost).

6. AoE skills - pulse nova / epicenter are pain in the <word filtered!> for chen.

thx to dotaportal and dota-allstars.com for the icons and hero stats/skills

hmm bump ko lang para dun sa nagtanong tungkol sa counter dun kay chen. mejo outdated lang kasi sa pagkakaalam ko di na gumagana ung webs ni broodmother sa creep camps. not sure din sa sentry at observer wards
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Aug 30 2006, 09:41 AM
^- Oo nga kaya nga tanong ko. Uhmm kapag madami beses ka nag Quill Spray pabilis ng pabilis atkspd mo? Sorry Im too newb :D :crazy:

Hinde, fixed na po yung add-on ng warpath. Malakas rin naman si Bristleback e. Good skills, may damage reduction, slow, armor reduction, may attack speed bonus pa. :yahoo:

Parang ganito backdoor samin e. Yung inuunahan mo na yung creeps mo kasi kaya mo na. Nakakasira to ng laro lalo na kung match tapos matatalo kayo sa ganyang klase ng player. Dapat "raw" kasi hihintayin mo yung wave mo or atleast itank mo yung tower kung kakapatay palang ng creeps mo.

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Aug 30 2006, 09:41 AM
^- Oo nga kaya nga tanong ko. Uhmm kapag madami beses ka nag Quill Spray pabilis ng pabilis atkspd mo? Sorry Im too newb :D :crazy:

Yup nagiistack sya kaso meron limit. Parang nung level 3 yung warpath ko, umabot ng level 12 yung stack ng warpath dahil sa quill spray and goo. Items ko dyan ay
ring of health
sobi mask or void stone
boots to power threads
mask of death to helm of dominator
basher

Basta cast ka lng ng cast ng quill spray and kung kaya mo n kalaban, constant goo lang hindi na makakatakbo sayo yun. Importante na cast ng cast ng skill para hindi mawala yung warpath.


@QuiGonJin

Actually lumang build ni chen yung may creeps. Hindi na ginagamit yun dahil nga sa Hand of Midas. Yung build ng Chen na madalas ko makita ngayon yung penitence and test of faith. Penitence muna para mas mataas damage ng Test of Faith. Kung gusto mo support, meka pag battle naman pde yung MKB, Sange/Yasha, Skadi etc.
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Aug 30 2006, 06:01 PM
iba iba definition ng backdoor.. sa mga nakakalaban namin sa taft ang pag meron kang creeps at hinatid ka sa tower, kahit maubus na clang lahat pde mo na tankehin un tower para masira to... sa iba kase kelangn pag tntra mo un tower meron kang creeps..

so it seems to me that first the teams are agreed upon the definition of BACKDOOR first before the match.. geez ala pala fixed rules? or maybe there is?
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Kailangan magkasundo muna kayo sa definition ng backdoor para hindi magkaproblema. Madami definition ng backdoor

1. Yung sa Official Dota forums, definition nila ay yung magtele sa tower using Furions skill or Ignus Fatuus blink tapos boots of travel. Yung wala dyan, hindi backdoor.
2. Yung sa tourney na sinalihan namin dati, kapag wala kang kasabay na creeps na humahataw sa tower..backdoor n un.
3. Yung sa isa pang tourney, kapag hinahataw mo na yung tower na may kasabay na creeps pero namatay yung creeps..pde mong tankehin kung kaya mo pero pag umatras ka, kailangan mo ng hintayin yung creeps na humataw din.
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Aug 27 2006, 10:51 PM
amf na try ko na ung -wtf mode sa 6.36
sarap mag rhasta.. dami serpent wards

bkb ang mabenta sa mode na to hehe

Fave Hero ko dito yung Magnataur with linken and dagger. Kahit ako lang mag-isa wala magawa yung 4 na kalaban ko. /heh
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Ayos! Nagamit ko din c Bristleback knina! Ok lng naman. Di lang ako maxado makakill kase lahat ng kakampi ko nuker. :D

Saya din mag Darkterror w/ MoM. Lalo na kng magaling disabler nyo. Dami ko kills lols! Swerte din ung mga Chrono ko kanina kase nakakahataw pati melee namin.. :D


Pahingi naman po ng skill build and equipment build para kay Leshrac. Idol ko kase ung magagaling mag Leshrac ehh.. :D
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Nice day today, Akiha-sama. A bit too hot though...
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,Aug 30 2006, 05:21 PM] please define BACKDOOR?

is going "for the tower" when all your creeps have died may be defined as BACKDOOR?

Kung inaatake nyo na yung tower then naubus creeps nyo then you can still continue the attack. It's not a backdoor kasi kasama nyo creeps nyo nun e, naubus lang.

Another backdoor misconception is switching to another set of rax. For example, pagpumasok kayo sa base ng kalaban nyo sa mid lane at nawasak nyo yung tower at rax nila dun, it's fine to move to the left or right tower/rax kahit walang creeps dun. Hindi to backdoor kasi pumasok kayo sa base nila ng kasama nyo creeps nyo. Kahit pa sa mid lane kayo nanggaling ang point is hindi kayo nag "sneak in" besides ano pa nga ba gagawin nyo sa mid pagnawasak nyo na yung tower at rax dun?

In any case depende sa tao yan. Meron ok lang na backdoor meron ayaw. Para sa 'kin ok lang backdoor. Personally hindi ako nangbabackdoor pero hindi ako magagalit pagsinubukan ng kalaban mangbackdoor. Yun lang nga pagnangbackdoor sila mangbabackdoor na rin ako. :D
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Masaya magbackdoor kapag c Sven, Clinx o kaya Jahrakal ka :D
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Aug 30 2006, 09:03 PM
Ayos! Nagamit ko din c Bristleback knina! Ok lng naman. Di lang ako maxado makakill kase lahat ng kakampi ko nuker. :D

Saya din mag Darkterror w/ MoM. Lalo na kng magaling disabler nyo. Dami ko kills lols! Swerte din ung mga Chrono ko kanina kase nakakahataw pati melee namin.. :D


Pahingi naman po ng skill build and equipment build para kay Leshrac. Idol ko kase ung magagaling mag Leshrac ehh.. :D

Build ko dyan ay yung stun stats and ulti lng muna. Stats para pampalaki ng hp and sp kasi an liit masyado ng hp ni leshrac. Voidstone and ring of health/regen, boots tapos ipon pang dagger. After dagger, soul booster na. Ang trick lang dun stun tapos dikitan mo then ulti. Kung may ka combo like leviathan or sand king, blink then ulti. Malakas bawas nung ulti basta nakadikit ka sa kalaban and may mana ka.
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Aug 30 2006, 09:03 PM
Ayos! Nagamit ko din c Bristleback knina! Ok lng naman. Di lang ako maxado makakill kase lahat ng kakampi ko nuker. :D

Saya din mag Darkterror w/ MoM. Lalo na kng magaling disabler nyo. Dami ko kills lols! Swerte din ung mga Chrono ko kanina kase nakakahataw pati melee namin.. :D


Pahingi naman po ng skill build and equipment build para kay Leshrac. Idol ko kase ung magagaling mag Leshrac ehh.. :D

Depende sa line up ng kalaban nyo si Leshrac.

Usually sa kanya may stun. Kung walang disable kalaban mo you can go Lightning Bolt (kung gusto mo pumatay sa chupoy) or Edict (kung tipo nila Sniper kalaban mo..) pwede ka na mag push, pwede pa mag hero kill.

Maraming items na magamit kay Tormented, pwedeng dagger, pero mas ok na sakin Eul's lang. Kasi staple na sakin gumamit ng atleast isang Void Stone sa kanya. Ending mo talagang item sa kanya is Aghanim's. Ang lakas ng Pulse Nova- Ginagamit ko to pang farm, wala kasing cooldown e. :pardon:

yung suggestion ni Kajika ganito ata

1-Stun
2-Stats
3-Stun
4-Stats
5-Stun
6-Pulse Nova

here's mine

1-Bolt
2-Stun
3-Bolt
4-Stun
5-Bolt
6-Pulse Nova

or

1-Stun
2-Edict
3-Stun
4-Edict
5-Edict
6-Pulse Nova


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