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Stalkers Den; kwentuhan tayo guys....
Topic Started: Jan 27 2006, 08:18 PM (11,939 Views)
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Im blind not deaf
Lul! Ikaw master ko =))

Lul Kay charles ako nagpapaturo eh. Hahaha!!

Charles gagawa na ba ako Stalker[8]?
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0o0charles0o0
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uu! hehe c ende tinigil nya ata ung rogue nya e >.<
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Volrath
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Amf Storage ko may BUG!!

wafak pag enter password mo tapos OK

DISCONNECTED na amf!


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Volrath
Feb 23 2007, 07:44 PM
Amf Storage ko may BUG!!

wafak pag enter password mo tapos OK

DISCONNECTED na amf!

dami mo daw kasi rare items .. mamahagi ka naman daw /gg
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wtf, 24 pages na thread natin.. spammers amf..


nwei.. musta gays?
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maganda ba gamitin bowling bash sa mga nagportal EC?
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^ da best parin po sg dyan kahit lvl1 sg 1 int kalng ksi napapadelay mo sila at pag wala unfro na fofrost
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update nyo nlng ako sa bago sa PRO mga idoLs!! :D
kktamad n mag RO eeH..wahaha!!
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0o0charles0o0
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ako dn kwnthan nyo nlng dn stop stop mna blik nlng sa merge pwde b kopyhn ung skill ng gunslinger pati ninja?
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oist...TEKLA at Charles....siguruhin nyo lang na babalik kau!!!


pag di kau bumalik sumpain kau ng lakas ng hacker at scammer...wakocoke!


=))
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0o0charles0o0
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pwde b kopyhn skills ng gunslinger ninja?
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Ninja lang kasi di tayo pwede mag guns. =))
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[Admin]Hikaru Mithcristien
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A couple of questions:

1) With 1 base agi and 1 base str, will a copied Bowling Bash still be useful? I'd like to ask this because the build of my stalker is int-dex-vit, and I don't have time to test it.

2) Is Backstab still useful? What I know is it was nerfed. I'm planning to create another stalker, this time a str-agi-dex-vit (dagger stalker), and I'm in a dilemma whether to get the skill or not. However, do some of you exploit this glitch:

Taken from ragnainfo.net:
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There is a glitch where if performed from below the foe, coming out of Hide -although being hard to achieve- it can be used repetitively and without delay until the target moves.


3) Can Sonic Blow be copied?

4) Anyone has witnessed any stalker copying some ninja skills? If so, how did the skill go? Was it useful in any way?

Thanks.
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Hikaru Mithcristien
Mar 22 2007, 12:58 PM
A couple of questions:

1) With 1 base agi and 1 base str, will a copied Bowling Bash still be useful? I'd like to ask this because the build of my stalker is int-dex-vit, and I don't have time to test it.

2) Is Backstab still useful? What I know is it was nerfed. I'm planning to create another stalker, this time a str-agi-dex-vit (dagger stalker), and I'm in a dilemma whether to get the skill or not. However, do some of you exploit this glitch:

Taken from ragnainfo.net:


3) Can Sonic Blow be copied?

4) Anyone has witnessed any stalker copying some ninja skills? If so, how did the skill go? Was it useful in any way?

Thanks.

1. Since may dex ka at naka equip ka ng bow malakas ang BB mo.
Bow - Dex. Basta naka bow ka nakadepende sa dex mo ang lakas ng skill mo. Except yung Mage skills syempre.

2. Backstab was nerfed. Hindi na siya pwede ispam. Pero may instances na naiispam sya sa monsters (Na try ko nung nag manual ako. Pero napaka rare lang.) Maganda rin sya with the combination of Raid as an opening attack. And Backstab is a no miss skill. AFAIK.

3. Sonic Blow cannot be copied due to weapon restriction.

4. I did some research bago dumating ang ninja class.

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Bowling Bash
600% damage on certain tiles
500% x 2 = 1000% damage when done properly (and I think the damage is further increased by number of enemies)
Pros: is pretty spammable and since it knocks back before dealing damage, it passes through Safety Wall and Pneuma
Cons: is melee range, even with bows

Exploding Dragon (a.k.a. Dragon Fire Formation or DFF)
900% damage on target
900% damage splash
can become 1800% damage when done properly (target will be hit by target damage + splash damage)
Pros: fast cast, and dishes out pretty good damage
Cons: easy to negate (Pasana or Swordfish armor), is heavily reduced by mDEF, and has a 3 second cast delay (cannot use any skills during this delay).

The biggest problem with Exploding Dragon is lack of spammability. A 100 INT 100 DEX Stalker with a Double Bloody Double Boned Composite Bow would do the following damage on a 10+50 target who was fully stripped:

[these are close approximations, as the actual value might be slightly more or slightly less than displayed here]
Bowling Bash 600%: 2.2k damage
Bowling Bash 500% x2: 3.6k damage
Exploding Dragon normal: 2.6k ~ 4.5k damage
Exploding Dragon bug: 5.4k ~ 9k damage

Seems powerful right? But for every 3 seconds, one can pull off FIVE Bowling Bashes (169 ASPD with Berzerk Potion), while even at 100 DEX you would still have to wait 3 seconds after your initial cast to be able to recast again.

Let's see our damage output in 12 seconds.

Bowling Bash (600%): 44k damage
Bowling Bash (500% x2): 72k damage
Exploding Dragon normal: 7.8k ~ 13.5k damage
Exploding Dragon bug: 15.6k ~ 27k damage

Conclusion:
If you can kill the enemy in one hit, Explodin Dragon is excellent. HOWEVER, if you cannot kill the enemy in one hit, don't expect to kill them at all with it, as the delay is far too long (that's why the only way SD SinXs can be effective is if they kill the target in one hit... else, gangbang is the only way to kill with SD).

Here's another thing: Exploding Dragon's bug doesn't work with Close Confine (the enemy has to be moving for it to work), while Bowling Bash is still effective even with Close Confine -Fixed yung 3second delay. Only Bragi can resolve it-
Thanks to Yralyn


Iyan na po yung pinaka malakas na Ninja Skill aside from Final Strike. Kasi 900% matk sya /no1

Hope it helps /no1
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[Admin]Hikaru Mithcristien
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Paps hindi kasi nagamit ng bow ang stalker ko (wala kasi DS). Ang ibig sabihin po ba nito, OK lang kahit walang DS basta magdala ako ng Bow? Sa tingin mo, OK pa rin ba ang BB sa ganoong sitwasyon? Pero dahil 1 agi ako at 1 str (at aspd dependent ang BB) mabagal ang BB ko tama po ba (at mahina...1 str kasi)?

Salamat uli.
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Hindi po. Ganto po kasi yan.

Pwede po tayo mag equip ng Daggers/Bows.

Kapag ang suot mo ay:

Daggers yung damage nya nakadepende sa STR.
with Bows nakadepende sa DEX.

Since yung build nyo po ay INT-DEX-VIT. Pwede po kayo mag equip ng Bow dahil sa tingin ko may DEX kayo around 70~90. And copy BowlingBash. Hehe. Halos lahat po kasi ng Stalker ngayon naka Bow po ang weapon dahil ang DEX ay nagiging dual purpose

1. ATK
2. Stripping chances.

Yun nga lang mabagal ng KONTI ang spammability ng Bowling mo. Pero wag po tayo malito na dahil naka bow tayo ranged na ang BB. Kahit naka bow po tayo lalapit parin tayo para maka BB. Considered melee skill sya.

http://www.ragnainfo.net/wiki/index.php/Bowling_Bash
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[Admin]Hikaru Mithcristien
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OK paps. Malinaw na sa akin hahaha. Thanks.

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Welcome :)
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[Admin]Hikaru Mithcristien
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Oo nga pala paps, sa ngayon nahihirapan ako sa stalker ko dahil 1 base str lang. Hindi ganoong kasulit ang vit ko na 50+ dahil kaunti lang ang pots na nadadala ko. Sa nakikita kong builds sa mga threads dito, naglalagay talaga ng kaunting str ang mga stalker. Sa tingin mo ilan ang optimum value ng str para lang sa purpose ng pagdadala ng pots?

Kaya sa ngayon hindi na talaga sulit maglagay ng Backstab dahil pinahina na siya noh?
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if bow type ka 20str mtaas n un kung GM bow build ka 30-40.

sa ngun nmn slims/mastela n ang bnbli hndi n uso ang pots n mbgat e. pwde n ung 20 str

kelangn p dn ng backstab pra lmbas ung mga intimidate etc.. preserve etc..

backstab 4 ata un pra lmbas ung mga klngn..

ung warn ko paalis n po please /gg

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master cancel! /gg
int b klngn sa exploding dragon.. chka ung throw zeny pngit b un?
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