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| The Declaration at Potsdam | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 16 2013, 07:41 PM (1,189 Views) | |
| Margrave | Dec 10 2013, 02:40 PM Post #26 |
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"Mr. Kleppe, if you may accommodate my asking, what do you or the Elders want in a unified Germany? I have laid out my vision of Grossdeutschland, but you seem unimpressed at best, and disgusted at worst. The Amish dominate the European market in handmade goods, and would be a major asset to anyone with whom the Amish ally." Adrian said the Kleppe, "The protection of the Amish can be offered by the Federation, as well as a greater say in the policies of Europe. Is not a good deal for the Mennonites of Dusseldorf?" |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 10 2013, 03:04 PM Post #27 |
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As they waited for the Amishman's response, Lord Dahl exclaimed, "I'm going to need specifics on why you invited Kasnyia here, sir. Kasnyia has long been secure in its own contribution to the Germanic civilizations. We are happy to be conferred the same rights, but why does that require an invitiation here? What do you wish of Kasnyia?" |
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| Margrave | Dec 10 2013, 09:18 PM Post #28 |
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The question posed to Adrian caught him off guard, and he didn't know if he understood it completely. "As I said, Kasnyia is as German as any here. I wish for Kasnyia to join the Federation, and I apologize if I had not made myself clear. The Empire is a superpower, and it's clout, economic and military power are no subject of debate. In addition, Kasnyia is the protector of Koln, an integral part of any German union." |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 10 2013, 09:38 PM Post #29 |
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Lord Dahl nodded, but was unsatisfied, "What I'm asking is what are the details of this union? You have given maps of control, and spoken somewhat on the balance of powers. But what is the goal? Do we have an enemy that requires our amalgamation? A doctrine? What about military forces? Will there be a seperate one from all our armies? How shall we hammer out differences between lesser and greater powers? Do not mistake me, Kasnyia is intrigued by what has been stated at this conference, but I shall require more than intrigue before I put this proposal before the Prime Minister." OOC- Just seeing where all this is leading to really. |
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| Margrave | Dec 13 2013, 09:34 PM Post #30 |
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OOC: More or less an even less centralized version of the Confederation of Arcadia, except, you know, German. |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 13 2013, 09:46 PM Post #31 |
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OOC- Alright. Say that IC and Dahl will pipedown. |
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| Margrave | Dec 13 2013, 10:01 PM Post #32 |
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"Very well, Lord Dahl. If you need an example, look to the Americas. A diverse group of settlers and vagabonds have formed a Confederacy in the north whose combined powers are enough to hold their own against the plutocratic oligarchy of Goreprime. Here we have no such enemy, but our doctrine is not one of fear. It is of Unity." |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 14 2013, 01:14 AM Post #33 |
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Lord Dahl nodded and went back to his notes. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Dec 14 2013, 07:34 AM Post #34 |
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Friedrich von Berg headed the delegation from the Baltic State. He was a member of the War Council, and Minister of the Interior in Livonia. The Baltic State had sent a delegation under Berg rather than under the Foreign Minister, Benckendorff, because it was considered unseemly to treat fellow Germans as foreigners. They were kinsmen, after all. Berg was a careful man, and preferred to listen before speaking. However, like many of his fellows, he was quite passionate about German Kultur and anxious about the threats it faced in the modern world. So when he finally spoke, he wanted to make sure that was addressed. "I would thank His Excellency the Margrave for bringing us all here. The cause of the German peoples is the most important matter that lies before any of us today because without our race, none of us could have been borne into this world. The special characteristics of the German people must be preserved and cultivated, and a federation of the Germanic states would allow for the creation of a prosperous living space in which German culture and German society can develop without fear. "However, I think it is premature to say that we face no such enemy as do the Arcadians, a people whom I admire greatly for their tenacity and their will. The reality is that no race is so endangered today as the German one. The German countries have no unity - we bicker amongst ourselves like children without a strong father, and we allow our quarrels to play out in world forums with no concern as to how the non-German peoples see us. We make common cause with non-Germans against our own kin, when even the most primitive of tribesmen know that one's clan is the basic unit of human survival. And the correlation of forces is constantly shifting against German ideals of knightly service to the nation and state, and in favor of Anglo-Saxon parliamentary individualism and Spanish style theocracy. The formation of the Standing Committee in ICON is an example of this; the non-German states on the committee far outnumber the German states but would still have decision-making power over German states. "German unity is more important than ever. If the German culture is to survive into the next century, then we must band together on the basis of solidarity, mutual support, and brotherhood. Not long ago, I wept reading about the violation of Cologne by the Spanish papacy. The newspapers described the torture and rape of so many innocent German civilians. The Baltic State formed only during the tail end of the war, and thus could not contribute, but do not think that we were not affected by it. The Crusade taught us about how precarious the current situation of the German powers really is. We must prepare for a future where the German peoples could be again targeted on any day." Earlier, the Margrave had said "I hope that the my guests from Livonia will excuse the lack of Expansion in the North." Berg did not address the issue, because he wanted to discuss it privately with Lebus after the conference. Stamm, the War Minister of the Baltic State absolutely had plans for expansion in the North, and the War Council wanted to make sure that Brandenburg's support could be assured. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Dec 14 2013, 07:40 AM.
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| New Harumf | Dec 14 2013, 04:59 PM Post #35 |
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The Amishman finally spoke up and addressed Adrian directly. "I am sorry for my outburst - the emotions of the moment got the best of me. I am here only to observe and report back to the Elders the events of this conference. I will not interrupt or interfere in the future." |
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| Margrave | Dec 14 2013, 06:05 PM Post #36 |
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While the Margrave felt the Balt's statement was rather paranoid, it nonetheless contained much truth. The German people were splintered, and certain outside bodies had seemed to conspire against any sort of German union. With von Berg's monologue finished, and the Mennonite's apology accepted, the time for discussion had come and gone. Adrian would now present the treaty and the signatories would make history. There would be certain issues that would afterword addressed by the first meeting of the Verwaltungsrat. |
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| Margrave | Dec 14 2013, 07:17 PM Post #37 |
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Edited by Margrave, Dec 16 2013, 12:23 PM.
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| Margrave | Dec 16 2013, 12:23 PM Post #38 |
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After presenting the treaty, Margrave Adrian von LEbus signed it. |
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| Whal | Dec 16 2013, 03:04 PM Post #39 |
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"Life is too short to be wasted on bad scotch"
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Von Franke, acting under orders from the Chancellor, refrained from signing the treaty. |
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| Kasnyia | Dec 16 2013, 06:16 PM Post #40 |
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"Kasnyia will not sign. Neither will Cologne," stated Lord Dahl, "I suggest we reconvene at a later date to work out a more amenable treaty. One thats built up over time with everyone's interests met and accounted for on paper." |
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| Rhadamanthus | Dec 16 2013, 06:51 PM Post #41 |
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Berg was next to speak, "Your Eminence, the Baltic State respects immensely the intentions behind this treaty, and believes that German solidarity is of utmost importance. However, I cannot sign the treaty as it stands. First, it appears that your secretaries have introduced an error - there is no Grand Duke of the Baltic State. The Baltic State is a republic governed by a Council, which Council is headed by a President. I represent the Council and the State; we have not had a monarch since we were part of the Russian Empire some generations ago. "But more importantly, there are modifications and clarifications that need to be made to the treaty before the Baltic State can be a part of it. I do not know if now is the correct time to delve into these issues, but the most prominent is the concept of citizenship. The Baltic State has multiple social classes, with different privileges and duties. We do not have a uniform citizenship though I can think of that which approximates it." |
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| Margrave | Dec 16 2013, 11:42 PM Post #42 |
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OOC: Sorry about the mishap with the title, I was going to message you about that, but it slipped my mind. The Margrave was disappointed with the Kasynian's response, but it was a legitimate one nonetheless. The same reaction was given to the Balts. But the Kasnyian was correct. The Margrave had hastily drawn this treaty up as a quick measure, and it was expected to be unsuccessful or at the very least unpopular. Another treaty would be drawn up eventually, but that time was not now. "Gentlemen, keep any diplomatic channels open. This conference is adjourned until further notice." OOC: I really hate to tie this up so suddenly guys, but I'm going through some tough stuff right now now. I'm sorry. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Dec 17 2013, 07:11 AM Post #43 |
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OOC: No problem - take the time you need. I do want to sign some kind of treaty in the future, but it would require some discussion to hammer some things out. |
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| Whal | Dec 17 2013, 11:25 AM Post #44 |
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OOC: Same here. In the meantime, take all the time you need. IC: With the meeting appearing to have reached its end, the Foreign Minister gathered his things and rose to leave. Von Franke approached the Margrave and thanked him once more his hospitality. There was merit in the young leader's treaty, but at its current state it could not win over the still fiercely dived German people. Perhaps, it was a good thing, von Franke thought to himself as he left. The failure of the treaty would ensure C.E.D.O resumed it's regional dominance and would ensure the stability and "status quo" of the region for now. Inconspicuously, a member of the minister's security detail dropped a note before the Margrave as he left. It read:
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| Kasnyia | Jan 30 2014, 07:07 PM Post #45 |
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OOC- Let's see if we can achieve something on a more limited scale. IC- "Gentlemen, the treaty may have failed," exclaimed Lord Dahl, who did not wish to return to Guranburg empty-handed, "but perhaps we can determine the status of the hinterland that lies between all of our territories? We have conferred with our partners in Cologne, and they brought to my attention that there is a large, and largely ungoverned, space and that this space can become a haven for criminals and terrorists. And of course, could lead to misunderstandings between our various forces should an incursion occur within." "As such, gentlemen, Kasnyia proposes a demilitarized zone to be established in this area, to be jointly patrolled and governed by the neighboring states equally. What say you all?" |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 31 2014, 08:04 PM Post #46 |
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OOC: What areas are we talking about Kas? Just FYI, the Baltic State is about to engage in military action in the area of Belarus, using Brandenburg as staging area, and blitzing through Poland. |
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| Kasnyia | Jan 31 2014, 10:27 PM Post #47 |
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OOC- The grey patch between me, Margrave, Whal, the Amish, etc. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 31 2014, 10:32 PM Post #48 |
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OOC: Ah, ok. That doesn't affect my plans - carry on :D |
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| Margrave | Feb 1 2014, 10:35 AM Post #49 |
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The Margrave, eager to have some semblance of success, accepted the Kasnyian proposal. |
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| Whal | Feb 1 2014, 03:11 PM Post #50 |
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Minister von Franke also accepted Dahl's proposal. Perhaps, he thought, this new DMZ would be an effective buffer to aggression between the various German states. |
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