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I knew this was happening - now I have evidence.
Topic Started: Dec 19 2011, 02:31 PM (627 Views)
Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 11:17 PM Post #51
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Tristan da Cunha Dec 23 2011, 09:29 PM Since facts are of minimal importance compared with individual decisions and wills, what are examples of some of the individual decisions and wills that elevate the Chinese military (for example) to superior status? I can't predict them. But tactical errors can decide wars....



Aelius	Dec 24 2011, 01:15 AM Post #52
Norman Warlord Posts: 2,137 Group: Members Member #523 Joined: July 17, 2009	Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 11:17 PM Tristan da Cunha Dec 23 2011, 09:29 PM Since facts are of minimal importance compared with individual decisions and wills, what are examples of some of the individual decisions and wills that elevate the Chinese military (for example) to superior status? I can't predict them. But tactical errors can decide wars.... They can, but 90% of the time, the most powerful force will win or force a draw, at minimum. I don't see the US as being any weaker than any other power, and I think the US may still be the strongest single power in the world, but I think it's a massive stretch to call any advantage the US might have as "hegemony". If the US were to go to war with a power with the capability of say, China, or Russia, or possibly even the EU, I couldn't see there being an outright total victory. Could we win? Maybe. Could we get conquered? Possible, but very doubtful. Would we be stronger for it, even in victory? Absolutely not. The state of the world today is one far different from the Cold War-esque, us vs. them mentality. This world is multipolar, with nations being both independent and inter-dependent on one another for survival. The US may still be dominant for now, but it will fade if we continue on this perpetually-deadlocked political sphere that pulls everything to the far ends of the spectrum on every issue (Democrat vs. Republican, socialism vs. laissez-faire, interventionist vs. isolationist, the list goes on and on...) As time goes by, it's going to keep getting more and more multi-polar. India and Brazil are going to both become extremely powerful in the next few decades, particularly Brazil. (India needs to figure out its overpopulation concerns, and may follow some of China's paths, although Brazil needs to do the same in its urban areas.) In the end, if there is a hypothetical war between two (or more) of the major powers of the world, everyone loses, even those who don't pick a side. This world is so interconnected that most nations can not stand on their own, and this definitely includes the United States.



New Harumf	Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM Post #53
Bloodthirsty Unicorn Posts: 9,638 Group: Forum Mods Member #177 Joined: October 8, 2005	The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly.



meh	Dec 24 2011, 01:40 PM Post #54
1st Lieutenant Posts: 618 Group: Members Member #695 Joined: August 17, 2011	New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=1539 Former Defense Secretary Gates has this speech about the future of the military.



Catholic Europe	Dec 24 2011, 01:48 PM Post #55
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. Or drink oil...or sand! Hahaha!



flumes	Dec 24 2011, 08:03 PM Post #56
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. This is a very good point.



Quaon	Dec 24 2011, 10:51 PM Post #57
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. To be fair, we could not control the Chinese mainland either.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 25 2011, 01:27 AM Post #58
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Quaon Dec 24 2011, 10:51 PM New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. To be fair, we could not control the Chinese mainland either. To be fair, Harumf did mention that. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Dec 25 2011, 01:30 AM.



Catholic Europe	Dec 26 2011, 05:57 PM Post #59
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Tristan da Cunha Dec 25 2011, 01:27 AM Quaon Dec 24 2011, 10:51 PM New Harumf Dec 24 2011, 10:58 AM The only thing I will add to this argument is: let's say China, by some act of providence, did "conquer" the United States - they could never, ever afford to keep it. It would bankrupt them faster than you can say "huge land mass"! Just as we could never conquer and hold China or Russia - or Afghanistan for that matter. The times have changed and, as has been pointed out, the world is intertwined. As one of my CEO's said back in the '80's, "International commerce will be the glue that holds the world together." The only people that don't have to live by that law are countries trapped in the 15th century by their fanatical religious leaders; and trust me about West Asia, ya can't eat oil, so if the West isolated them, they would starve quickly. To be fair, we could not control the Chinese mainland either. To be fair, Harumf did mention that. Hahaha! :lol:


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