I knew this was happening - now I have evidence.

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I knew this was happening - now I have evidence.
Topic Started: Dec 19 2011, 02:31 PM (629 Views)
Quaon	Dec 22 2011, 05:36 PM Post #26
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	CE, no other military can project force globally the way that the US can.



flumes	Dec 22 2011, 07:28 PM Post #27
CLEVELAND ROCKS! Posts: 2,429 Group: Veterans Member #142 Joined: May 22, 2005	Catholic Europe Dec 22 2011, 12:51 PM and anyway the best military isn't just about winning wars. It's also about not shooting your allies.... (why they don't win wars) ^^



meh	Dec 23 2011, 01:07 AM Post #28
1st Lieutenant Posts: 618 Group: Members Member #695 Joined: August 17, 2011	We still have the best military. No other country can match us.



Sedulius	Dec 23 2011, 02:43 AM Post #29
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	flumes Dec 22 2011, 09:44 AM Siadhal Dec 22 2011, 12:02 AM Catholic Europe Dec 21 2011, 02:25 PM My god! America is so paranoid! Forget about arresting people. You all need strait jackets and padded rooms! How the hell are you guys still the worlds super power? The USA isn't the world superpower anymore. People just like to think it is. We have the largest economy and the best military. I'm curious what your definition of superpower is... This is, simply put, incorrect. The USA is in a depression and its military is a shell of its former self. You guys need to stop lying to yourselves. Want proof? Just go join the military. See for yourself the mockery it has become. The US has fallen behind. WAY behind.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 23 2011, 09:12 AM Post #30
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Fallen behind whom? The US still has by far the worlds largest economy and most powerful army....



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 10:51 AM Post #31
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Siadhal Dec 23 2011, 02:43 AM This is, simply put, incorrect. The USA is in a depression and its military is a shell of its former self. You guys need to stop lying to yourselves. Want proof? Just go join the military. See for yourself the mockery it has become. The US has fallen behind. WAY behind. So true. Americans are deluded about themselves. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Americans and America but they are so overly arrogant about themselves!



meh	Dec 23 2011, 12:35 PM Post #32
1st Lieutenant Posts: 618 Group: Members Member #695 Joined: August 17, 2011	This is all so very confusing. What country out there has the ability to take on our military? Our Navy itself is larger than most of the world's combined.



Quaon	Dec 23 2011, 01:26 PM Post #33
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 10:51 AM Siadhal Dec 23 2011, 02:43 AM This is, simply put, incorrect. The USA is in a depression and its military is a shell of its former self. You guys need to stop lying to yourselves. Want proof? Just go join the military. See for yourself the mockery it has become. The US has fallen behind. WAY behind. So true. Americans are deluded about themselves. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Americans and America but they are so overly arrogant about themselves! CE, objectively we have the biggest economy (GDP) in the world (we do not have anywhere close to the highest GDP per capita in the world; I think that's Luxembourg or Monaco). We account for 45% of the world's total military spending. Name who has a better military than the US. It sure as hell is not the United Kingdom. Edited by Quaon, Dec 23 2011, 01:26 PM.



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 01:27 PM Post #34
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	I fully believe that if just America and China fought it out, China would win.



Porcu	Dec 23 2011, 02:20 PM Post #35
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Posts: 4,188 Group: Global Mods Member #415 Joined: February 19, 2008	Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 01:27 PM I fully believe that if just America and China fought it out, China would win. Could you please define "win"?



East Anarx	Dec 23 2011, 02:30 PM Post #36
Anarchitect Posts: 4,788 Group: Multi Member #210 Joined: January 16, 2006	Porcu Dec 23 2011, 02:20 PM Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 01:27 PM I fully believe that if just America and China fought it out, China would win. Could you please define "win"? War does not determine who is right, only who is left...



Sedulius	Dec 23 2011, 03:00 PM Post #37
Field Marshal Posts: 4,727 Group: Members Member #427 Joined: March 29, 2008	Eastanarx Dec 23 2011, 02:30 PM Porcu Dec 23 2011, 02:20 PM Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 01:27 PM I fully believe that if just America and China fought it out, China would win. Could you please define "win"? War does not determine who is right, only who is left... Fallout 3 The rest of you guys, you need to learn that statistics aren't everything. CE's right. You are deluded. You guys have no idea what a sorry state the US military is in. Do yourself a favor and actually look into it. Same with the economy. The US isn't some dominant world superpower anymore. It's still powerful, but it's waning.



Union	Dec 23 2011, 03:49 PM Post #38
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	:lol:



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 23 2011, 03:52 PM Post #39
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Which country's army is in a less sorry state? Which economy has not been harmed?



Union	Dec 23 2011, 03:54 PM Post #40
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	It's cool, his dad's a colonel, and he tells him all sorts of things about how the American military is in a sorry state. ;) Edited by Union, Dec 23 2011, 03:54 PM.



Rhadamanthus	Dec 23 2011, 04:28 PM Post #41
Legitimist Posts: 12,945 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: January 13, 2004	Siadhal Dec 23 2011, 03:00 PM Eastanarx Dec 23 2011, 02:30 PM Porcu Dec 23 2011, 02:20 PM Catholic Europe Dec 23 2011, 01:27 PM I fully believe that if just America and China fought it out, China would win. Could you please define "win"? War does not determine who is right, only who is left... Fallout 3 The rest of you guys, you need to learn that statistics aren't everything. CE's right. You are deluded. You guys have no idea what a sorry state the US military is in. Do yourself a favor and actually look into it. Same with the economy. The US isn't some dominant world superpower anymore. It's still powerful, but it's waning. Sed, if you say that statistics aren't everything, you have to explain what is the problem. If you are going to ask people to "look into it" you have to tell them into what to look.



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 04:49 PM Post #42
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	This detratcs from what him and I are saying - China would most definetly win. 20 years ago China would have definetly lost but now....China would definetly win. My American friends, I understand you. My grandad still has a deluded opinion about how powerful England is...and this is you guys now haha! But seriously, China would win. Edited by Catholic Europe, Dec 23 2011, 04:51 PM.



Union	Dec 23 2011, 05:06 PM Post #43
Pyrenees Republic Posts: 3,219 Group: Forum Mods Member #307 Joined: December 27, 2006	China has no blue water navy. It cannot project power beyond the first island chain, and depends on area denial tactics in the China Sea. Could the US invade China effectively? No, probably not - but neither can China invade the United States, and unlike the United States, invade anywhere else either. China's inability to project power, furthermore, puts it in a state of dependence. China's depends on its sea lanes for 85% of its energy usage, unlike the United States which receives most of its energy domestically, from overland routes from Mexico or Canada, or from territories well within its naval ability to protect - Venezuela, Trinidad & Tobago, etc. A Chinese war against American positions in Asia would literally run out of fuel and into a standstill in a matter of days. The technology gap between the American and Chinese navies, furthermore, has only grown since the end of the Cold War. Nevermind what the current economic crash in China will do on its projections in the near future. American hegemony has not been challenged by China, no matter how much you may want it to be, and won't for decades yet. Edited by Union, Dec 23 2011, 05:08 PM.



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 05:13 PM Post #44
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Union Dec 23 2011, 05:06 PM China has no blue water navy. It cannot project power beyond the first island chain, and depends on area denial tactics in the China Sea. Could the US invade China effectively? No, probably not - but neither can China invade the United States, and unlike the United States, invade anywhere else either. China's inability to project power, furthermore, puts it in a state of dependence. China's depends on its sea lanes for 85% of its energy usage, unlike the United States which receives most of its energy domestically, from overland routes from Mexico or Canada, or from territories well within its naval ability to protect - Venezuela, Trinidad & Tobago, etc. A Chinese war against American positions in Asia would literally run out of fuel and into a standstill in a matter of days. The technology gap between the American and Chinese navies, furthermore, has only grown since the end of the Cold War. Nevermind what the current economic crash in China will do on its projections in the near future. American hegemony has not been challenged by China, no matter how much you may want it to be, and won't for decades yet. Oh no....I really don't want it to be. I'm very happy, and supportive, of having America as the worlds dominant superpower! You guys speak my language....I basically grew up with American culture side by side with English culture (well....at least through TV, movies and music). But I can see that China would still win. Not gonna change my opinion on that!



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 23 2011, 05:26 PM Post #45
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	China would lose a war and see its government toppled if it tried to invade the US, thats for sure.



Quaon	Dec 23 2011, 07:44 PM Post #46
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	CE, you have the perfect right to your opinion, but you have so far been unable to substantiate that opinion and likely cannot. It's frankly insulting to insist that the only reason we believe in the United States' military superiority is because of blind nationalism. I am more than willing - in fact, I am inclined - to criticize my country's weaknesses as I see them - for example, our inferior healthcare and education systems, just to name a few. All you and Sed have offered in this discussion is a vague feeling; no facts.



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 08:04 PM Post #47
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Facts (meaning statistics) don't decide the outcome of a war. Yeah, they can give an idea but they don't decide. Individual will, individual decisions, in my opinion, are all far more important (and I'm talking right down to every single soldier and every single person in that nation).



Quaon	Dec 23 2011, 08:07 PM Post #48
A Prince Amoung Men-Shoot First and Ask Questions Later Posts: 8,837 Group: Forum Mods Member #209 Joined: January 11, 2006	Which correlates with your statement "Best military....I know many English people who would disagree with that" how?



Catholic Europe	Dec 23 2011, 08:21 PM Post #49
Spammer Posts: 9,612 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: December 24, 2003	Because it's their individual will...their individual decision....etc Anyway, already said they're deluded....well I said my grandad is and so, by extension, so are all English people who think that England's military is the best/great.



Tristan da Cunha	Dec 23 2011, 09:29 PM Post #50
Science and Industry Posts: 6,792 Group: Veterans Member #86 Joined: November 1, 2004	Since facts are of minimal importance compared with individual decisions and wills, what are examples of some of the individual decisions and wills that elevate the Chinese military (for example) to superior status?


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