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Adulthood; When the hell did that happen?
Topic Started: Apr 9 2011, 06:12 PM (6,391 Views)
NRE
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Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman

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Aug 3 2011, 10:53 AM
As to living at home, my dear RD: NRE's mother is a Southerner, and no self-respecting Southern women would serve her family anything less than belly-busting dinners (suppers, really) - just watch Paula Dean once, and you will know what I mean.
Yeah Suppers are "hearty" to say the least. I need to get back to doing some kind of exercising because I lost some weight in the past from home before just something always happened to get me off track.

The job search was promising a week ago as two schools ( a traditional high school and an early college high school) were hiring. The later was he most promising as an uncle of mine was a good friend of a teacher there. Sadly, turns out the early college HS decided to not to hire another social studies teacher and instead hire a foreign language teacher. Tue other one turns out had already filled the vacancy with a coach. So it's back to the drawing board but I've sent my resume out to ever HS in my area and I watch the job website like a hawk so I'm hopeful.

Lans I can relate as my father is similar to yours in that he does and says things as if I'm still a child and/or incompetent. Luckily, while it can be irritating I've learn to just let it go in one ear and out the other. Not so much ignoring him as much as just acknowing that it's the way he is and in truth he means well.

Also when it comes to friends, mine have either moved away, gotten married, or both. Luckily I'm close to both my siblings so I hang out with them and well I also have you all :love:
Edited by NRE, Aug 3 2011, 08:14 PM.
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Don't know where else to put this, and don't want to start a new thread, but here are some decorating ideas for U's first tea shop:

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/new-york-city-apartment-sails-back-in-time.html
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Edited by meh, Sep 1 2011, 07:35 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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It kinda just hit me that I make £36k and am getting married in less than a week...

When did that happen?

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Took me six long months to get a job after I qualified. My dad really rode my ass about it. He treated me like an incompetent child. I was trying to get a job, but he was all like "you need to make your job getting a job". By which he meant spend seven hours a day (plus overtime) looking for a job. Send your CV to everyone. Visit places that say they have no vacancies. Endlessly trawl job websites etc. Seemed pointless at the time - I was already putting in two, three hours a day contacting everywhere that had vacancies. But, after four months of fruitless job searching, I did it his way. Employers were like "WTF, you again! I told you already we don't have any open posts you psycho!" I was checking job websites that updated once a week three times a day. More than once I dropped off my CV and the receptionists put it in the shredder right in front of me.

Did that make my dad happy? No. He still rode me. Still bitched out about the house work and living under his roof and rules. Blah, blah, blah. I applied for a job 331 miles away. Three hundred and thirty one miles! Got an interview. I drove out there and sold myself like a cheap french whore. When I drive back, that evening over dinner (supper? really? we're calling it that now?) the old man criticises me for not trying hard enough to get a job.

Now my relationship with my parents was strained before all this. I had a knife fight with my mother. My mother tried to kill my father. I'm a proud man, in my own way. Needless to say this situation was not ideal.

Eventually, I got a job. Moved out. Dad treats me like an equal (well, still treats me like an incompetent, but an incompetent adult which is infinitely more tolerable - I've never claimed to be any more than that). I got my weights, got my training regime. Controlled what I ate. Golden age, bra.

So, what I'm trying to say is this:

Make getting a job your job. You'll feel dumb. 99.999% of employers will think you're dumb. You'll get ignored, and practically everything you do will be pointless (good practice for when you do get a job). But eventually you'll hit that employer in the 0.0001% who'll give you a job. Then you can move out and have everything you were dreaming of.

... then you'll move in with your significant other who's diet and exercise plan will be completely different from yours and they'll constantly nag you about the housework.

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Of course, if you can tolerate your parents, living at home is also good. You get to bond with the people who made you. (Not to sound like a hippy (I deal with babies a lot), but that is way, far out significant - they made you man, they made you. I made a boxcar once and felt pretty damn proud of myself as an all powerful creator being.) You get to spread living expenses. You get good practice for when your parents are in their dotage and need looking after. You consolidate helpful alliances with family members (good for starting your own business, the coming zombie apocalypse, setting a good example for when you are in your dotage). It might seem like hell, but if you can stick it, it's probably not that bad.

Now, I'm not getting in a internet cat-fight over who has the worse parents, but:

If you've never been attacked with a knife and kicked out on to the streets on Christmas day then believe me you do not have the worst parents in the world.

I mean, if your stuck with your parents and don't want to be, I'm not belittling your situation. I'm just throwing out a little perspective: are things really as bad as you think they are?
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Aug 21 2011, 09:26 AM.
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Quaon
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Congratulations on the nuptials, Nag.
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Less than a week :| damn time does flies, just seems like yesterday we found out! Well looks like it's substitution for me but you better bet your hat I'm going to be the best damn substitute any school in this county has seen! B)
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Aye, congrats Nag. A thousand congratulations.

In my own case, I can understand the sentiment of being labelled as incompetent. So many members of my family are the types to have moved out of the house at 16, and owned a home and been married with children by 18. Yes, they were employed, but it's been very consistent work in car repairs, carpentry, janitorial work, but it's always been enough.

So, even though I do have a gainfully paying job, I still live at home and I'm not married. Therefore, I'm incompetent. To cap that, I'm in debt because of college, making me even more of a failure. Socially, it puts me in that traditionally role of a child: Better seen and not heard. Debt, living at home, and unmarried. That's all my family really sees of me. On the other hand, everyone else I know in Vermont sees me as on a role to having a fantastic life in a few years since I work like a dog at what I do.

It's weird, and I can appreciate weird.

So congrats on pulling yourself up, and carving out a life for yourself, especially in this age.
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I am dreading the start to my job search. I've finally got school figured out completely... Major in Finance, Minor in Geography, and also a Real Estate Certificate. Graduate in the spring on time with my only debt being a car payment to my parents. My goal is to get into Real Estate Development at a decent-sized company to acquire currency while also gaining experience. I will use said currency to invest in Real Estate in Cleveland while ultimately working towards starting my own Urban Development company. If I can't get a job (not necessarily in Real Estate) in Cleveland, I'll move wherever. The limited government in Texas is particularly appealing, even though I will hate the climate. (I like snow. ^^ )
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This forum is just chock full of teachers! :o :D I'm in a similar predicament when I get out of college. Doesn't look like there'll be many jobs in the state. Our professors tell us outright that we are not going to get one unless we're the cream of the crop. Right now I'm leaning heavily on just skipping this country all together and going to Indonesia. I spent a few months teaching English there at the beginning of the summer and got offered several jobs. The pay isn't as good, but the standard of living is much lower. I crunched the numbers and figured that I could live comfortably and make enough to pay off my student loans in 3 or 4 years. And since I already lived there for 6 years and speak the language and know the culture, it seems like a pretty good deal. :) I still have two years to decide all this though.
But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky and if you go to Korea or Japan you can make a pretty penny. The certification is quick and relatively cheap and almost ensures you can get a job. Places like Indonesia aren't as lucrative, but if you're willing to... keep living like a college student it can work out just fine.
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Aug 22 2011, 11:22 AM
But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky
True. But the interview is mostly likely bi-lingual, and if you don't speak fluently in both languages they send you home. If you speak Korean/Japanese, great. Otherwise, not so much.
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Aug 22 2011, 02:16 PM
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Aug 22 2011, 11:22 AM
But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky
True. But the interview is mostly likely bi-lingual, and if you don't speak fluently in both languages they send you home. If you speak Korean/Japanese, great. Otherwise, not so much.
I dunno, but then again I think there are several different programs when it comes to this particular avenue. I had a professor who did one through the U.N. in South Korea and is now a member of the interview committee for South Korea. She spoke to us about several times over the course of that semester and encouraged anyone willing to speak to her about it more in-depth after class. I personally never did because it just isn't feasible for me but that said, she never spoke of having to be bilingual.

Also I've been lead to believe that even in this day and time, being a male in the education world make you a minority, which can sometimes work in your favor. Not so much for me apparently but then again I'm not in a position to move so that already greatly reduces my employment options :lol: :sad:
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Those I've known who have done overseas ESL teaching have said the opposite, that they prefer that you can't speak their native language. If only so you can stand out authoritatively. For whatever reason schoolchildren will respond better to you in South Korea if you can't speak directly to them.

No, that doesn't represent all of the primary, secondary, tertiary, and workplace ESL class locations, but it's what I've heard for a lot of primary school teaching.
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Aug 21 2011, 07:23 PM
Aye, congrats Nag. A thousand congratulations.

In my own case, I can understand the sentiment of being labelled as incompetent. So many members of my family are the types to have moved out of the house at 16, and owned a home and been married with children by 18. Yes, they were employed, but it's been very consistent work in car repairs, carpentry, janitorial work, but it's always been enough.
Man. I would be perfectly content as a car repairman, carpenter, or janitor if it weren't for my immense megalomania. Each year my megalomania grows more immense, bringing me further away from enlightenment and acquiring a force and will of its own.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Aug 22 2011, 02:16 PM
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Aug 22 2011, 11:22 AM
But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky
True. But the interview is mostly likely bi-lingual, and if you don't speak fluently in both languages they send you home. If you speak Korean/Japanese, great. Otherwise, not so much.
A buddy of mine has been in Japan for a year now. In his case, he could speak a little Japanese and had spent a semester there while in college. But he didn't speak much Japanese, and has sort of been it learning from his students while teaching them English. Interesting experience. He said that he was not really expected to use Japanese in the classroom.
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Aug 22 2011, 08:38 PM
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Aug 21 2011, 07:23 PM
Aye, congrats Nag. A thousand congratulations.

In my own case, I can understand the sentiment of being labelled as incompetent. So many members of my family are the types to have moved out of the house at 16, and owned a home and been married with children by 18. Yes, they were employed, but it's been very consistent work in car repairs, carpentry, janitorial work, but it's always been enough.
Man. I would be perfectly content as a car repairman, carpenter, or janitor if it weren't for my immense megalomania. Each year my megalomania grows more immense, bringing me further away from enlightenment and acquiring a force and will of its own.
I would be okay with those kinds of jobs if it wasn't for the isolating culture that surrounds them. You're a mechanic? You're expected to act in a certain social role in rural Vermont. It's a pretty shaky road to walk, and you're sure to be surrounded by friendly people who all act and think a certain way.

Yep, for all my egotistically higher order thinking I'm still falling back on old stereotypes. Sorta happens with prolonged rural living. haha
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Finally leaving my hometown of 18 years. Joyous, yet strange.
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Aug 22 2011, 10:53 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Aug 22 2011, 02:16 PM
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Aug 22 2011, 11:22 AM
But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky
True. But the interview is mostly likely bi-lingual, and if you don't speak fluently in both languages they send you home. If you speak Korean/Japanese, great. Otherwise, not so much.
A buddy of mine has been in Japan for a year now. In his case, he could speak a little Japanese and had spent a semester there while in college. But he didn't speak much Japanese, and has sort of been it learning from his students while teaching them English. Interesting experience. He said that he was not really expected to use Japanese in the classroom.
Hmm... from doing a quick shanty around, it seems you are correct. Very different from when I was looking into working in Europe.

Still, how are you going to live in a foreign country if you don't speaka de lingo?
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Aug 23 2011, 12:37 PM
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Aug 22 2011, 10:53 PM
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But if you want to teach English as a second language, schools overseas aren't terribly picky
True. But the interview is mostly likely bi-lingual, and if you don't speak fluently in both languages they send you home. If you speak Korean/Japanese, great. Otherwise, not so much.
A buddy of mine has been in Japan for a year now. In his case, he could speak a little Japanese and had spent a semester there while in college. But he didn't speak much Japanese, and has sort of been it learning from his students while teaching them English. Interesting experience. He said that he was not really expected to use Japanese in the classroom.
Hmm... from doing a quick shanty around, it seems you are correct. Very different from when I was looking into working in Europe.

Still, how are you going to live in a foreign country if you don't speaka de lingo?
I'm not entirely certain - perhaps some combination of English penetration among the adults and learning the language while you teach?
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The best way to teach any language is total immersion - my niece does this in her German class - no English allowed, from day one. Same works in teaching ESL. You cannot get by with just lecturing as was done in the old days. My problem with ESL, of course, is that I am an English language bigot.
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A business proposal for Ulgania?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904070604576516462736084234.html
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Aug 26 2011, 02:35 PM
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but Puma and MC aren't athletes.

Article loses its credibility here.

They ARE SO ATHLETES

But that sounds like a super-cool idea. I'd always had this idea of harnessing the revenue potential of geeks and nerds by opening my doors to LAN parties and D&D sessions, or at least the networking and organization thereof. TVs are expensive though.
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Aug 26 2011, 10:44 PM
But that sounds like a super-cool idea. I'd always had this idea of harnessing the revenue potential of geeks and nerds by opening my doors to LAN parties and D&D sessions, or at least the networking and organization thereof. TVs are expensive though.
Your tea shop sounds more and more amazing with each new idea. Maybe I can open a NJ branch?

Instead of a TV, maybe a projector, laptop, and screen? At least at first until a TV can fit in the budget.
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A big TV isn't the issue.

That many TVs is an issue. Bahaha

I mean, my planning so far calls for $400/day or $2800-$3000 per week, since a Wednesday'd be deader than a Friday and stuff.

But thanks Telo! I don't need branches, start your own, and make it your own adventure
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Got turned down for yet another job. It's getting frustrating here. I'm about ready to pull up the roots and for some place less shitty than Oklahoma. :(
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And again I get turned down. :dry:

Is there something about me that's making every employer reject me? I'm getting really fucking tired of this, I want to actually be able to start my life and get out of retail.
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