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What's wrong with cops these days?
Topic Started: Jul 20 2010, 10:22 PM (2,287 Views)
Comrade Queen
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It seems like every 10 to 15 minutes, I hear about something like this. The cops in this country are out of fucking control!

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/loganville-man-alleges-police-brutality-071610
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I agree, I got a 56 in a 40 yesterday going down a mammoth hill.

3 stops, 3 tickets. Polite every time. Screw it, next time (hopefully there won't be one) I'm being a dick.

Can't wait for court. :gnarkgnark:


Edit: As for brutality... I think it is a matter of standards to become a cop. It's simply too easy to become a police office these days. 1/4 of them are in it for the adrenaline rush, 1/2 are just stupid (no matter good or bad), and the last quarter are actually good cops.
Edited by flumes, Jul 20 2010, 10:29 PM.
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This always happens. Its been happening for years way before this. Its no different now. You're only hearing about it more because the media loves juicy stories like this. There's a reason this is called the "information age."

And besides, its still 'alleged". I wont comment until the final verdict is reached.



Flumes: So you broke the law, and now you're complaining about it? Unless I'm missing something, you really don't have anything to complain about.

EDIT: I'd say there a lot more honest cops then there are stupid/adrenaline cops in the US. I think you are biased, simply because you might be sore about your own encounters with the law.
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Jul 20 2010, 10:28 PM
I agree, I got a 56 in a 40 yesterday going down a mammoth hill.

3 stops, 3 tickets. Polite every time. Screw it, next time (hopefully there won't be one) I'm being a dick.

Can't wait for court. :gnarkgnark:


Edit: As for brutality... I think it is a matter of standards to become a cop. It's simply too easy to become a police office these days. 1/4 of them are in it for the adrenaline rush, 1/2 are just stupid (no matter good or bad), and the last quarter are actually good cops.
Flumes, Scy was talking about serious abuses of power. You're talking about paying the price for your own lawbreaking.
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We have given cops too much control over us, and it is our own stupid fault in that we buy into the "we need them, or there will be chaos" argument. Cops very seldom can stop a crime in progress. Cops have become revenue collectors with guns. Most cops are not good cops - most cops are corrupt, or at least look the other way to the corruption around them. All cops are human, and therefore suseptable to the same weaknesses, foibles and prejudices we all have.

Flumes? You were stopped three times going down the same hill? Did you learn nothing?
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flumes
Jul 20 2010, 10:28 PM
I agree, I got a 56 in a 40 yesterday going down a mammoth hill.

3 stops, 3 tickets. Polite every time. Screw it, next time (hopefully there won't be one) I'm being a dick.

Can't wait for court. :gnarkgnark:


Edit: As for brutality... I think it is a matter of standards to become a cop. It's simply too easy to become a police office these days. 1/4 of them are in it for the adrenaline rush, 1/2 are just stupid (no matter good or bad), and the last quarter are actually good cops.
So, you were almost going 150% the speed limit?
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Not guilty... Well, at least not guilty of what I was accused of... I was going 49.
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Ah, so 120%.
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Jul 21 2010, 02:12 PM
Ah, so 120%.
Correct, and at 120% I don't points added to my license, therefore no increased insurance costs, and the fine is about 33% of what it is at 56 in a 40.

Besides, the cop was sitting right after the speed limit dropped from 45 to 40... Sign on a steep hill, barely visible.

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Small town speed trap looking for fines from out of towners to pay for a police force much to big for a town the size it is. :dry:
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Jul 21 2010, 08:11 AM
We have given cops too much control over us, and it is our own stupid fault in that we buy into the "we need them, or there will be chaos" argument. Cops very seldom can stop a crime in progress. Cops have become revenue collectors with guns. Most cops are not good cops - most cops are corrupt, or at least look the other way to the corruption around them. All cops are human, and therefore suseptable to the same weaknesses, foibles and prejudices we all have.

Flumes? You were stopped three times going down the same hill? Did you learn nothing?
I completely disagree.

Cops are an absolute necessity in our society. They are the enforcers of the law. Without them, people like flumes will continue speeding and put other's lives in danger. Yes, it may be unfair at times, but that is bound to happen, the same goes for corruption. However, I will give these officers the benefit of the doubt, to say that most cops are good cops. As for flumes case, its his word against a cop's. All we know is what he has told us.
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And do these cops need to beat and taze people into an inch of their life? Do they need to shoot dogs when they break into the wrong house and destroy property? True, we do need people to enforce the law, but we do not need people acting above it.
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Do all, or even a majority of cops act in such a way?

One transgendered wife killed her husband. http://www.fox8.com/wjw-trangender-wife-kills-husband,0,5972005.story

Transgendered people are evil. Do we really need them killing husbands? :rolleyes:

Police officers are human beings in a position where their mistakes are more noticable - because we trust them and have invested in them some authority, and the power to exercise that authority. However, like all human beings, police officers are not infallible, or even nice. While unfortunate, this is not a statement against their profession or institution. I don't believe that 800,000 of our fellow citizens are deplorable incarnations of Satan.
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Your strawman argument is severely understating the amount of police brutality cases I've been hearing about in recent years.
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How many police brutality reports have there been in the past few years?
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I really can't give you a precise number, but its been on a steadying rise.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-copmisconduct_n.htm
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/police/brutality.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1776198/the_rise_of_police_brutality.html?cat=2
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Why is that? Because standards have fallen in potential recruits. Why is that? There are too many vacancies. Why is that? Because we, as a culture, have abandoned community and service to others as virtues in favor of consumerism, greed, and egoism. We have the police force we deserve. We are a brutish, hyperactive, aggressive, apathetic culture, and we get brutish, hyperactive, aggressive and apathetic police men.
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I have to say, sadly, that I agree with that assessment.
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Jul 21 2010, 04:15 PM
Why is that? Because standards have fallen in potential recruits. Why is that? There are too many vacancies. Why is that? Because we, as a culture, have abandoned community and service to others as virtues in favor of consumerism, greed, and egoism. We have the police force we deserve. We are a brutish, hyperactive, aggressive, apathetic culture, and we get brutish, hyperactive, aggressive and apathetic police men.
I agree.
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Union
Jul 21 2010, 03:39 PM
Do all, or even a majority of cops act in such a way?

One transgendered wife killed her husband. http://www.fox8.com/wjw-trangender-wife-kills-husband,0,5972005.story

Transgendered people are evil. Do we really need them killing husbands? :rolleyes:
When did we give transgendered people guns, the right to beat on people, break into people's houses, throw people in cages, extort money, and the right to stop and search people?

We regulate doctors tightly to stop them abusing their power. Cops, basically, regulate themselves.
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I don't disagree, Nag, I was simply reacting to the statement preceding it.
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Not enough incentive for people with half a brain to become a police officer...
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Jul 22 2010, 01:41 PM
Not enough incentive for people with half a brain to become a police officer...
Power? Guns? Being a petty potentate? Being able to push those former bully types that used to throw you in the dumpster in high school around? A shiney badge?

We are talking about people that used to put on white sheets with pointy hoodies FOR FREE! Weren't even paid! Just so they could feel important and be part of something.
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Not enough incentive for people with half a brain to become a police officer...


You never feel disgusted that you live in a society where the only incentive worth a damn is material acquisition?

Community? Duty? Responsibility? A man is a fool if he believes these incentives to have value. He is ridiculed in our society. Those who care about their fellow man are dismissed as socialists or nuts.

Look at NH, equalizing policemen and Klansmen. No one wants to be a police because we, as a society, don't want people to be police, and ridicule them for choosing to do so.

What a disgusting world liberal humanism has given us.
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Jul 22 2010, 01:56 PM
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Not enough incentive for people with half a brain to become a police officer...


You never feel disgusted that you live in a society where the only incentive worth a damn is material acquisition?

Community? Duty? Responsibility? A man is a fool if he believes these incentives to have value. He is ridiculed in our society. Those who care about their fellow man are dismissed as socialists or nuts.

Look at NH, equalizing policemen and Klansmen. No one wants to be a police because we, as a society, don't want people to be police, and ridicule them for choosing to do so.

What a disgusting world liberal humanism has given us.
I have to agree.
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Union, didn't you once say the lives of Americans are worth more to you than any number of Iraqis? In the end you nationalist socialists do not care for "fellow mankind", you only care for the comrades in your particular pre-defined nationstate who are the Elect in your eyes. You are quite willing to enact exclusionary policies on the grandest scale, dividing the world into haves and have nots, and using the overwhelming power of the modern nationstate apparatus to achieve your exclusionary vision.

"Free healthcare for everyone ! - except that fellow across the Rio Grande. Sucks to be him." There is no morality to be found there. For all the follies of liberal humanism, at least the committed internationalist socialists have a genuine concern for the lot of this human race instead of regressing as the nationalists do to the basest instincts of tribalism and territorialism.

Community, duty, and responsibility. These things only disappear when the people abdicate their personal responsibilities to some higher authority, in return for a socialist pittance. It is socialism that strands people in an ocean of egoism. When we are put into a situation where we no longer need to rely on our community institutions and our neighbors then we get quite comfortable with the idea that we can survive individually like atoms, as long as our comfortable life is backed up with the assurances (and checkbook) of the distant faraway State, who will clothe us and feed us; to hell with the neighbors and to hell with community. Don't believe for a minute that socialism is communitarian. The psychology of socialism is purely egoistical.
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