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Alternative Media Split; From "The Next Great American Novel"
Topic Started: Jun 29 2010, 09:29 PM (158 Views)
Comrade Queen
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Rhadamanthus
Jun 29 2010, 02:59 PM
Atticus
Jun 29 2010, 02:39 PM
Lansdallius
Jun 29 2010, 02:31 PM
Ok, I'm about to begin writing the novel. At some point, I shall need a title, one that grabs the mind and is filled with intrigue. Suggestions?
Is Obama Really a Heterosexual Male?
Damn right he is:

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Google Barack Obama and bath houses... it will make you go "WTF?"
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Scythirus
Jun 29 2010, 09:29 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 02:59 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 02:39 PM
Lansdallius
Jun 29 2010, 02:31 PM
Ok, I'm about to begin writing the novel. At some point, I shall need a title, one that grabs the mind and is filled with intrigue. Suggestions?
Is Obama Really a Heterosexual Male?
Damn right he is:

Posted Image
Google Barack Obama and bath houses... it will make you go "WTF?"
Again, infowars makes shit up. Perfect example.

It's really a great way to look at memetic theory too, looking at "alternate news" sources. One will report a false story and the others will pick it up then the whole "underground" culture won't shut up about it.

When I was in Paris, the URL of several conspiracy theory sites was graffitied on some building. I took a picture. I might post it if I ever get around to uploading it.
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Jun 29 2010, 09:46 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 09:29 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 02:59 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 02:39 PM
Lansdallius
Jun 29 2010, 02:31 PM
Ok, I'm about to begin writing the novel. At some point, I shall need a title, one that grabs the mind and is filled with intrigue. Suggestions?
Is Obama Really a Heterosexual Male?
Damn right he is:

Posted Image
Google Barack Obama and bath houses... it will make you go "WTF?"
Again, infowars makes shit up. Perfect example.

It's really a great way to look at memetic theory too, looking at "alternate news" sources. One will report a false story and the others will pick it up then the whole "underground" culture won't shut up about it.

When I was in Paris, the URL of several conspiracy theory sites was graffitied on some building. I took a picture. I might post it if I ever get around to uploading it.
This is not Infowars.

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/51/828/Washington_Insider:_Obama_Member_of_Chicago_Gay_Mans_Club.html

Neither is this.

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/05/23/someone-in-the-national-media-is-finally-interested-in-mans-country-in-andersonville/

Or this.

http://www.rense.com/general90/madss.htm

Or even this.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20100522


Now stop trolling me, asshole.
Edited by Comrade Queen, Jun 29 2010, 10:16 PM.
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And not one of those is a credible source. Beforeitsnews has a UFO story on its front page, for fuck's sake.
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Jun 29 2010, 10:19 PM
And not one of those is a credible source. Beforeitsnews has a UFO story on its front page, for fuck's sake.
lol troll

UFOs are sighted daily. Sometimes they're later identified as mundane stuff. The abbreviation means they are unidentified, and flying, and they're objects. Perhaps you should read the article you've mentioned and see if you can identify what the church goers saw. Until then, it remains unidentified.
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http://beforeitsnews.com/news/87/208/Black_Hole_Like_UFO_Object_Over_A_Church_In_Ontario,_Canada.html

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Here is a mufon report of a man that saw a Black Hole Like UFO Object Over A Church In Ontario, Canada. The pics are very clear as well. It seems that this manifestation also pulsated as it hovered high above in the skies. Was this a sign for those of the religious persuasion or another Ufo Sighting? Or both? There has been many accounts throughout history and in the bible of extraterrestrial visitation. We all know of the, Nephilim, Watchers, and the stories from ancient Sumeria, and the Annunaki. Is this coincidence that it appears over a church in the highest spot above this town? In any case this is just another great sighting from people just like you and I.
Right, that's a totally clear-headed and rational view of things. That's scientific inquiry right there. Really acknowledging the whole "unidentified" thing.

Alternate news sources are not taken seriously not because of some conspiracy by those in power - they aren't taken seriously because they are run by and large by morons with no journalism skills. Further, they tend to be sensationalistic and not check facts; I remember when a story ran, starting at World Net Daily and circulating through all the fringe right sites, about how in Germany the government was advocating pedophilia in a new pamphlet available online. Rest assured, according to every German speaker who commented anywhere, that was not what the sort of thing said.

Besides, if there was actually evidence that Obama had Larry Sinclair murdered, do you think a reporter from a mainstream news outlet would just sit on it? If you do, you've never met a journalist; it'd be the story of the centruy, for God's sake.
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Jun 29 2010, 10:32 PM
Besides, if there was actually evidence that Obama had Larry Sinclair murdered, do you think a reporter from a mainstream news outlet would just sit on it? If you do, you've never met a journalist; it'd be the story of the centruy, for God's sake.
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/03/13/why_mass_media_are_bad.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/bc0628at.html
http://deoxy.org/seize_it.htm
http://monthlyreview.org/301rwm.htm
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1406

Anything truly damaging to the status quo is repressed. Thus the use of alternative media.
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lol, hijack much guys?
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Jun 29 2010, 10:42 PM
Quaon
Jun 29 2010, 10:32 PM
Besides, if there was actually evidence that Obama had Larry Sinclair murdered, do you think a reporter from a mainstream news outlet would just sit on it? If you do, you've never met a journalist; it'd be the story of the centruy, for God's sake.
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/03/13/why_mass_media_are_bad.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/bc0628at.html
http://deoxy.org/seize_it.htm
http://monthlyreview.org/301rwm.htm
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1406

Anything truly damaging to the status quo is repressed. Thus the use of alternative media.
The veracity or lack thereof of those claims does not legitimize the bath house story.
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I demand a split of this. :dry:
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Jun 29 2010, 10:45 PM
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Jun 29 2010, 10:42 PM
Quaon
Jun 29 2010, 10:32 PM
Besides, if there was actually evidence that Obama had Larry Sinclair murdered, do you think a reporter from a mainstream news outlet would just sit on it? If you do, you've never met a journalist; it'd be the story of the centruy, for God's sake.
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/03/13/why_mass_media_are_bad.htm
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/bc0628at.html
http://deoxy.org/seize_it.htm
http://monthlyreview.org/301rwm.htm
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1406

Anything truly damaging to the status quo is repressed. Thus the use of alternative media.
The veracity or lack thereof of those claims does not legitimize the bath house story.
Nor does your insistence make the story go away. The mere fact that it's out there is enough to make one ponder investigating it him/herself.
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Media is bullshit, bottom line.
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Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM
Media is bullshit, bottom line.
Then so is empiricism. Without empiricism and the knowledge we get by filtering our senses through our reason, or rationalism, we know nothing. Since media is the only way we can know about our world without travelling around and experiencing it fully (and the latter is very limited in its scope), we have to choose the most reliable media using our reason and trust it until something more reasonable presents itself. Otherwise we might as well live in the dark and be hermits.

And by media, I mean all kinds of media, including social media (e.g. learning from parents).

I'm in an argumentive mood today. ^^
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Jun 30 2010, 12:06 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM
Media is bullshit, bottom line.
Then so is empiricism. Without empiricism and the knowledge we get by filtering our senses through our reason, or rationalism, we know nothing. Since media is the only way we can know about our world without travelling around and experiencing it fully (and the latter is very limited in its scope), we have to choose the most reliable media using our reason and trust it until something more reasonable presents itself. Otherwise we might as well live in the dark and be hermits.

And by media, I mean all kinds of media, including social media (e.g. learning from parents).

I'm in an argumentive mood today. ^^
I'm not saying we should do away with it. Its just that its all either biased, corrupted, or just lies. But I acknowledge that it is a necessity.

Oh, and I was referring to the media regarding news and other interests, rather than social media.
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Jun 30 2010, 12:06 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM
Media is bullshit, bottom line.
Then so is empiricism. Without empiricism and the knowledge we get by filtering our senses through our reason, or rationalism, we know nothing. Since media is the only way we can know about our world without travelling around and experiencing it fully (and the latter is very limited in its scope), we have to choose the most reliable media using our reason and trust it until something more reasonable presents itself. Otherwise we might as well live in the dark and be hermits.

And by media, I mean all kinds of media, including social media (e.g. learning from parents).

I'm in an argumentive mood today. ^^
Recognizing that media is bullshit is necessary to any healthy empiricism. Its what lets you sort out what seems believable and what seems false. I'm with Atticus on this one.
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OK, lets set up some facts:

1. Man's Country is NOT in Boy's Town. It is NOT in Andersonville, It is in Uptown, next door to The Eagle, which is a gay S&M bar.
2. Rham Emmanuel is, indeed, gay, though no one talks about it. He has been a frequent visitor in the past to Steamworks which IS in Boy's Town, on Halstead, a block South of Roscoe St.
3. Man's Country used to be the Club 54 of Chicago, back in the 70's. It catered then to the young, hip, "guppies" of Chicqago and the 'burbs. It is now a filthy dump, frequented generally by hustlers, minorities, old, ugly men, secretly gay married men, S&M types and those that are looking for hustlers, minorities, old, ugly men, secretly gay married men, S&M types.
4. If you visited Man's Country in the 70's you have a lifetime membership, because once you sign up there, you are never removed from their rolls. The membership never expires, unlike most other "health clubs". I have a lifetime membership to Man's Country because I went there in the 70's (before AIDS). If I would walk through the door today and give my name, they would look up my number in their computer, take my money, and give me a locker ($10.00) or a room ($30.00-$55.00) key. Prior to 1982 they did not check an ID to give out a membership, so you could give any name. Since 1982 they check a valid ID every time you enter, therefore Barry Obama's name could be on their rolls because someone prior to 1982 used his name.
5. I know Rham Emmanuel has been to Steamworks because I have seen him there, for a political event a few years back. I mean, he's an ex-ballet dancer for Christ's sake!

Now, draw your own conclusions.
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Jun 30 2010, 07:55 AM
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Jun 30 2010, 12:06 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 11:40 PM
Media is bullshit, bottom line.
Then so is empiricism. Without empiricism and the knowledge we get by filtering our senses through our reason, or rationalism, we know nothing. Since media is the only way we can know about our world without travelling around and experiencing it fully (and the latter is very limited in its scope), we have to choose the most reliable media using our reason and trust it until something more reasonable presents itself. Otherwise we might as well live in the dark and be hermits.

And by media, I mean all kinds of media, including social media (e.g. learning from parents).

I'm in an argumentive mood today. ^^
Recognizing that media is bullshit is necessary to any healthy empiricism. Its what lets you sort out what seems believable and what seems false. I'm with Atticus on this one.
I completely agree, RD. But when Atticus said "media is bullshit", I figured (or at least imagined, so I'd have something to argue about :lol: ) that he meant that nothing in the media is trustworthy at all, which sounded like an absolute to me. More correctly, most media items are bullshit, but there are also many things that are true. And using empiricism combined with rationalism is the way that we weed out the bullshit in the media from the legitimate stuff.
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I completely agree, RD. But when Atticus said "media is bullshit", I figured (or at least imagined, so I'd have something to argue about :lol: ) that he meant that nothing in the media is trustworthy at all, which sounded like an absolute to me. More correctly, most media items are bullshit, but there are also many things that are true. And using empiricism combined with rationalism is the way that we weed out the bullshit in the media from the legitimate stuff.


I don't suspect Atticus was in fact advocating radical agnosticism when he says media is bullshit. I suspect Atticus was being metaphorical (hyperbole). Ex.: I trust the media to tell me what the weather is like in Afghanistan but that doesn't mean media isn't bullshit. <----That's more metaphor btw, I'm aware it is a semantically nonsensical statement :lol:

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OK, lets set up some facts:

1. Man's Country is NOT in Boy's Town. It is NOT in Andersonville, It is in Uptown, next door to The Eagle, which is a gay S&M bar.
2. Rham Emmanuel is, indeed, gay, though no one talks about it. He has been a frequent visitor in the past to Steamworks which IS in Boy's Town, on Halstead, a block South of Roscoe St.
3. Man's Country used to be the Club 54 of Chicago, back in the 70's. It catered then to the young, hip, "guppies" of Chicqago and the 'burbs. It is now a filthy dump, frequented generally by hustlers, minorities, old, ugly men, secretly gay married men, S&M types and those that are looking for hustlers, minorities, old, ugly men, secretly gay married men, S&M types.
4. If you visited Man's Country in the 70's you have a lifetime membership, because once you sign up there, you are never removed from their rolls. The membership never expires, unlike most other "health clubs". I have a lifetime membership to Man's Country because I went there in the 70's (before AIDS). If I would walk through the door today and give my name, they would look up my number in their computer, take my money, and give me a locker ($10.00) or a room ($30.00-$55.00) key. Prior to 1982 they did not check an ID to give out a membership, so you could give any name. Since 1982 they check a valid ID every time you enter, therefore Barry Obama's name could be on their rolls because someone prior to 1982 used his name.
5. I know Rham Emmanuel has been to Steamworks because I have seen him there, for a political event a few years back. I mean, he's an ex-ballet dancer for Christ's sake!

Now, draw your own conclusions.


LMAO your encyclopedic knowledge of teh ghey is unsettlingly impressive...

Do you know about lesbians though. Is Elena Kagan a lesbian?
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jul 1 2010, 12:24 AM.
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Is she married? Is she a former college dean? Does she wear comfortable shoes? Does she cut her hair like Billy Jean King?

How the hell would I know! I never heard of her before her nomination, and my "gaydar" tends to malfunction on teh womens :lol:
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Why isn't there a Larry Sinclair page in Wikipedia?
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Jul 3 2010, 09:25 PM
Why isn't there a Larry Sinclair page in Wikipedia?
Because Larry Sinclair is not a notable individual and any allegations relating to an alleged murder are unsubstantiated.
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Why isn't there a Larry Sinclair page in Wikipedia?
Because Larry Sinclair is not a notable individual and any allegations relating to an alleged murder are unsubstantiated.
Strange, I read that it was deleted. Usually these conspiracy theories are all of Wikipedia. Strange that he isn't on, even with his big book.
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