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Faith
Topic Started: Jun 15 2010, 05:04 AM (1,003 Views)
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T.O.
Jun 21 2010, 02:21 PM
Atticus
Jun 21 2010, 02:01 PM
Cats suck, completely. I hate them with all my heart. This one cat, the male cat, has something wrong with its bladder so it urinates everywhere, everywhere! Then, for some reason he doesn't clean himself, and he'll come and jump in your lap, after you push him off, you'll find a huge shit stain on your pants.
In my neck of the woods someone would just take that cat and shoot it.
In California, I'd be lynched by PETA.
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Jun 21 2010, 02:26 PM
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Jun 21 2010, 02:21 PM
Atticus
Jun 21 2010, 02:01 PM
Cats suck, completely. I hate them with all my heart. This one cat, the male cat, has something wrong with its bladder so it urinates everywhere, everywhere! Then, for some reason he doesn't clean himself, and he'll come and jump in your lap, after you push him off, you'll find a huge shit stain on your pants.
In my neck of the woods someone would just take that cat and shoot it.
In California, I'd be lynched by PETA.
Put the cat in a box. Seal the box. Drop the cat off at PETA. Let them have the shit stains.
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I'll take a cat over a dog in any circumstance, given that they are of the same health, or in this case, malfunction.

Think of the horrors that would occur if a dog had a similar bladder problem and refused to care for itself. Would you love it all the same?

Then again, having had the same badass of a cat since I was 4, I'm biased. Dogs get in your way, eat more food, will eat your food, tend to see your furniture as food, get more butthurt over attention, have nearly no compunctions against crotchal investigation, and even fewer over humping anything that moves, so I think I'll take a cat.

And to Sed: You are who you are. You can change that at any time. Your core is as malleable as a definition of a god.
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We should perhaps split this thread given that pets are really off its topic.

That said, my brother and my dad were talking about setting up a BB claymore mine or using a flour grenade to get Beaux (the dog I kicked and we all hate). I was going to shoot him with the medieval crossbow using a toy squirrel as a projectile when I got home from the road trip (which believe or not is a very accurate projectile), but I'll just have to do it tomorrow.

What do you have to say now? You guys probably think we're sadistic. But you forget, you do not know the entire story...
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You're not exactly telling us the entire story, in between your bouts of complaints that we're just misundertsoood!
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Sedulius
Jun 24 2010, 03:47 AM
That said, my brother and my dad were talking about setting up a BB claymore mine or using a flour grenade to get Beaux (the dog I kicked and we all hate). I was going to shoot him with the medieval crossbow using a toy squirrel as a projectile when I got home from the road trip (which believe or not is a very accurate projectile), but I'll just have to do it tomorrow.

What do you have to say now? You guys probably think we're sadistic. But you forget, you do not know the entire story...
Did your dog bite off your nuts?
Edited by Hastine, Jun 24 2010, 11:38 AM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Are you going to eat the dog? Did the dog attack you? Why not give the dog away?
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Oh, for fuck's sake...
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Whose dog is this anyway?
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Give the dog away to someone who will actually spend the time to train him. :furious: :nono:
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Ha! Well, I tried shooting the dog with the crossbow just a bit ago, but I couldn't hit him with the squirrel toy since the dogs chewed one of its legs off. I tried another toy as well, but it's too wide to be shot accurately. Both projectiles hit a few feet above him, even though I was aiming directly at him. Maybe if I tried it at a longer range...

Backstory:

We got Beaux when we in search of one of our beagles that we had lost, Finn. Finn was my favorite, and everybody loved him. Sweetest dog there ever was. Beaux was good for the first few days my family had him, and then he started growling without reason at everyone but my mom. It's been like that ever since, despite all training we have attempted. We also lost Luke, my father's favorite, who until he was lost at least kept Beaux in check. If Beaux growled at us, Luke would take him down.

Now we have ten beagles, if you can count Beaux as a beagle. We think he may have something else in him, like pitbull or rottweiler, which would explain his hostile behavior. The only reason we keep the dog is because my mom loves him, otherwise we would have gotten rid of it long ago. My father hates that dog far more than me. He thought he had gotten the dog to trust him. He had been nice to him and playful with him for quite some time. And then one day the dog bit him without provocation. Bit the hell out of his hands. Dogs are put down for such things, and in older days would certainly be killed instantly for such an offense.

Beaux, ironically, actually does seem to like me, or at least respect me. He won't bite me, or rather I know how to not get bit. He'll growl at me, but I know how to make him stop. Essentially, I have to dominate him in order to make him somewhat docile. It works very well. But honestly, I still hate that dog. If it were up to me, we would get rid of it. He is useless to us. He's ugly, nasty, smelly, and ill-tempered. He's everything a beagle isn't. I don't want anything to do with the dog, but I am in such a situation that I must deal with him. Hence, if I'm pissed off from a long day of frustration from trying to fix my computer and I've been up for over 24 hours, I'm going to kick that dog in the face when it growls for no reason at me.

That said, I love all of my nine other beagles. I would never do anything to hurt them. You can pick them up and pet them. You can play with them. You can feed them. They are some of the sweetest things on this Earth.

Beaux, on the other hand, act as if he is demon possessed. But really, he's probably just mental.

EDIT: And can we please split this? I have more things to say on faith that have nothing to do with my personal opinions on particular canines.
Edited by Sedulius, Jun 24 2010, 02:14 PM.
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it growls ... at me

I .... kick that dog in the face

... no reason [?]
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Rhadamanthus
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Sed, if you had put the dog down, I would fully support your action. But kicking or tormenting the dog is only going to make it more savage and more dangerous. I can understand why you kicked the dog, given the background, but it is still a loss of self-control.
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Jun 24 2010, 02:51 PM
it growls ... at me

I .... kick that dog in the face

... no reason [?]
Union, I could go over to that dog and clap for it to come to me, and it would come over to me wagging its tail... while growling... expecting me to pet him.

I could also just walk by it or stand by it, and it would growl.

Basically, this dog growls no matter what I do, and it is extremely annoying.

RD, when I kicked it, consider I was under experiment and had no self control. Under normal circumstances I would not have. But all in all, the decision of what to do with the dog is not mine. I'm going back to college at the end of the summer. My dad is going to DC for a year or more. My brother is going to basic training in July. It will only be my mom and uncle (and eventually my Grandma Shields in the fall) in this Louisiana house. Hence, might as well leave the dog in peace and let my mom have what she wants.

However, if my brother does detonate a BB device by that dog, I will laugh.
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Sed, calling something an "experiment" changes nothing about what happened. You either had the self-control and chose not to exercise it, or you did not have the self-control. If the latter, then your action is somewhat mitigated by your emotional state, but I encourage you to cultivate further self-control. If the former, then you are fully culpable and should accept the blame that the other posters were casting at you. To me, the main problem here is not that you hurt the dog - it's that by tormenting the dog you risk making it more vicious, and if that happens, its behavior can become less predictable and more likely to harm someone.
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Translation: I'm acting like a sadistic asshole and am hiding behind pseudo-intellectual reasoning to justify my actions.
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My cocker growls at me all the time, even when I am scratching behind his ears and his legs are pumping like mad in pleasure. He is just challenging me for the Alpha spot. But when the thruder rolls and the lightening strikes (sorry Garth) he is sitting between my legs for protection. He is a loving, though crzy, dog, that, because of abuse as a pup (I got him from a shelter) never trusted anyone, until me. I understand his behavior, as does Don (who he doesn't growl at, because he assumes he has a higher station in the pack).
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No splits.

****

I could train that dog. Two words my friend. Choke. Chain.

Growling is a challenge. You have dogs. You know this. The dog respects dominance. You don't get bit. You know this.

Your mum likes it so it likes her.

It doesn't like the rest of you. You don't like it. This creates a positive feedback system with neither of you able to ascertain dominance.

You've tried to train it. Presumably like your other dogs. Positive feedback. Further challenges. More growling.

You need to bust out the choke chain. You need to press that ****er to the ground while looking at it right in the eye with your teeth barred. You need to rub it's nose in it. You need a firm, firm hand. You need to snip it if you haven't already.

Spare the rod and spoil the dog.

Seriously. Shooting it with crap and letting things continue as they are is just... dumb. Killing it seems a waste. Train that dog.
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You know, there always is the Dog Whisper.
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You know guys, I know how to handle that dog better than anyone else in the family. I'll do whatever the hell I want.

This thread has gone entirely from its original purpose, so I have no further comment.
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Of course you will. That does not make it right, does not make you moral, and does not have to make us supportive.

If you want to do what you want, without regard for the feelings of others, do so, but do not expect to be applauded for it.
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When my uncle was a kid, he brought a dog home (during the depression, another mouth to feed). That night my Grandfather, good German that he was, took the dog outside and hung it. The next morning, he told my uncle that the dog had run away.

You might consider that ploy. It would be better than torturing the animal.
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None of you know how well I actually do treat that dog. I have sinned, however. I have acted out of anger. And for that I must ask for forgiveness. But I can ask it only of God.

As to you, I only owe an apology for my rudeness. I ask your forgiveness.

The dog does anger me with its actions. But I realize it is too stupid to realize its actions anger me, and it is too broken to fix. I will ignore it, for that is the logical action to take.

As for matters of faith, I am back on track. I have been struggling between the world and the spirit. The spirit won. Goodness won. I cannot abide a sinful life for long, for my soul forces me to a better way.

But it is up to me to take initiative. It is up to me to fully reform myself into a man of action and knowledge. I know what is right, and I know what is wrong. All I must do is follow what I know to be true.

I should do right, and only right, no matter what the cost. Redemption is my path, and my life is sacrifice. I will not forget that.

I have work to do.
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Well said, Sed. Well said. I wish you the peace and calm to stay on that path, I truly do.
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Kill the Beast!

Wait... wrong thread.
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