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Faith
Topic Started: Jun 15 2010, 05:04 AM (1,005 Views)
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Tristan da Cunha
Jun 17 2010, 08:01 PM
Sedulius
Jun 17 2010, 03:52 PM
Also, who are you to judge me? All I have done is admit my human nature and admit my spiritual nature. You are no better or worse, human.
You judge Union unworthy of judging you. On what basis do you make your judgment? Do not toss stones in a glass house.

To believe that he, or any human, is no better or worse shows a lack of discernment. Discernment comes from wisdom and experience and is the basis of judgment. One cannot go through life without discernment and judgment or one will fall for any delusion, and to refuse the judgment of others is the sign of an immature mind and a chaotic heart.

When judgment is made in ignorance by one who lives wrongfully in the imagination that he knows you, his judgment is based upon the projection of the problems of his self, and not upon complete knowledge and wisdom. But even then, you can be assured his judgment has a reality in you, for he sees something, even if he does not see it entirely as it is. Consider his judgment because you yourself cannot see the whole of yourself. With wisdom and experience the picture of yourself becomes more complete to your own knowledge, and your perspective will expand toward the universal.
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Ulgania
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My faith: an infinitesimally small china teapot is orbiting the sun in an elliptical orbit between the Earth and Mars. It has just as much viability to be our creator as yaweh, et al. and to believe that it is not indeed our creator is a mark of eccentricity that should be unhesitantly shunned.

My belief: don't be a douche.
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Religion isn't balance, it's imbalance.

Your supposed to be imbalanced, your supposed to do more good than evil. Your supposed to gently pet the dog, respect your parents, and not get angry over something so trivial. But we are human.

Personally I'm not religious, I'm not arrogant enough to say I know there is no God. But on the other hand I have never had a truly religious experience. When I do, I will find the faith that matches closest to my beliefs.

I doubt I have the ability to define anything, much less religion or God.
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Ulgania
Jun 18 2010, 12:55 AM
My faith: an infinitesimally small china teapot is orbiting the sun in an elliptical orbit between the Earth and Mars. It has just as much viability to be our creator as yaweh, et al. and to believe that it is not indeed our creator is a mark of eccentricity that should be unhesitantly shunned.

My belief: don't be a douche.
I endorse this product and/or service.
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Atticus
Jun 17 2010, 01:01 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 17 2010, 11:30 AM
I don't care what you believe. Just believe.
How?
I was just quoting.

Believe in yourself.

How? By picking out the best thing in your life, patting yourself on the back and striving to top it.

****

I kicked a dog today. It was in my way. Felt good. Didn't apologise to anyone because it was a dog. Not a person. It's beneath me. I didn't feel a desire to apologise just because some other person brainwashed into believing a certain thing thought that I should.

Do as thou wilt and all that. I applaud Sed's spiritual breakthrough. The next step is to not have your sense of right impinged upon by others. I applaud that you apologised out of your desire to apologise (to lessen the harm to yourself caused by witnessing the distress of someone you cared about) rather than a desire to conform. However you really must now learn to separate your desires from the desires of others being forced upon you. On a more spiritual note, it should be important to worship because you want to. Not, as you rightly pointed out, to avoid hell. But also not because others think you should want to worship. Your concept that a Christian should want to worship god sounds as if that is something you've been taught, if you're truly re-examining your entire OS then I suggest truly freeing yourself from preconceptions and coming to truths on your own.
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God created all life. We are the caretakers of his gifts, not the torturers.
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Universi enim hic sumus.
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Plus, abusing animals = psychopath + serial killer. Personal experience.
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Kicking a dog serves no purpose. The dog has no idea why you kicked it, also the dog gets no enjoyment from being kicked. A simple "Move!" spoken firmly would get it to move. If you received gratification from kicking the dog, you have psychopathic tendencies, and should make an apointment with a shrink.
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Jun 19 2010, 01:54 PM
Kicking a dog serves no purpose. The dog has no idea why you kicked it, also the dog gets no enjoyment from being kicked. A simple "Move!" spoken firmly would get it to move. If you received gratification from kicking the dog, you have psychopathic tendencies, and should make an apointment with a shrink.
I think I agree with Harumf.
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Quaon
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Sed, you have managed to combine the worst aspects of several ethical systems into one utterly disgusting abortion of a morality, disregarding their redeeming factors. You have combined the arrogance of the egoist, the cocksureness of Kant, the self-absorption of the existentialist, and the certainty of being among the elect of Augustine or Calvin.
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Quaon
Jun 19 2010, 02:17 PM
Sed, you have managed to combine the worst aspects of several ethical systems into one utterly disgusting abortion of a morality, disregarding their redeeming factors. You have combined the arrogance of the egoist, the cocksureness of Kant, the self-absorption of the existentialist, and the certainty of being among the elect of Augustine or Calvin.
All of which have their merits if kept in check all their own. I'm an arrogant elitist who firmly believes I'm doing the right thing when I act who considers what greater cause it advocates. Yet I keep all of these in check under the framework of not being a douche.
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Ulgania
Jun 19 2010, 06:49 PM
Quaon
Jun 19 2010, 02:17 PM
Sed, you have managed to combine the worst aspects of several ethical systems into one utterly disgusting abortion of a morality, disregarding their redeeming factors. You have combined the arrogance of the egoist, the cocksureness of Kant, the self-absorption of the existentialist, and the certainty of being among the elect of Augustine or Calvin.
All of which have their merits if kept in check all their own. I'm an arrogant elitist who firmly believes I'm doing the right thing when I act who considers what greater cause it advocates. Yet I keep all of these in check under the framework of not being a douche.
I don't disagree with you.
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To put this thread back on topic, I do also have a problem with my pets. For some reason, my two cats wont seem to get along. They can't even be in the same room together. We've tried everything, but nothing works. I've honestly come to the point where my only choice is to put both of them in a bag and beat the bag against a tree.
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Let one establish dominance.

It will not be pretty.
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Al Araam
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Disregard cats. Acquire canines.
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Union
Jun 20 2010, 10:16 PM
Let one establish dominance.

It will not be pretty.
That's how my parents let my brother and I settle our arguments.

I'm not sure which of us is the more dominant though.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 19 2010, 12:46 PM
Atticus
Jun 17 2010, 01:01 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 17 2010, 11:30 AM
I don't care what you believe. Just believe.
How?
I was just quoting.

Believe in yourself.

How? By picking out the best thing in your life, patting yourself on the back and striving to top it.

****

I kicked a dog today. It was in my way. Felt good. Didn't apologise to anyone because it was a dog. Not a person. It's beneath me. I didn't feel a desire to apologise just because some other person brainwashed into believing a certain thing thought that I should.

Do as thou wilt and all that. I applaud Sed's spiritual breakthrough. The next step is to not have your sense of right impinged upon by others. I applaud that you apologised out of your desire to apologise (to lessen the harm to yourself caused by witnessing the distress of someone you cared about) rather than a desire to conform. However you really must now learn to separate your desires from the desires of others being forced upon you. On a more spiritual note, it should be important to worship because you want to. Not, as you rightly pointed out, to avoid hell. But also not because others think you should want to worship. Your concept that a Christian should want to worship god sounds as if that is something you've been taught, if you're truly re-examining your entire OS then I suggest truly freeing yourself from preconceptions and coming to truths on your own.
I know I probably wasn't as coherent as I should have been in my observations, nor as polite as I should have been in my replies. However, realize that my replies were made in annoyance that most of you didn't get the logic I was attempting to get across. Nag has interpreted my logic beautifully.

I should consider hiring Nag as a spokesperson if I get into power. I have some good concepts, but he expresses them better.

All that said, I've been an ass, and I'm sorry.

Now, as far as the experiment goes...

The purpose of the experiment was to see who I am at my very core, as well as how I operate. There was no other point to it. It had nothing to do with God. My connection with God is merely a nature of my person.

I have found that I am in general a benevolent person. I have much compassion. My moments of anger are actually somewhat isolated. It is sexual temptation that is still my greatest weakness.

Say what you will about me, but if you say anything that is not the truth, then you are merely putting out a false judgment of me.
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Union
Jun 20 2010, 10:16 PM
Let one establish dominance.

It will not be pretty.
That was my first idea, but my mom kept freaking out when they went at it.
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Al Araam
Jun 20 2010, 10:22 PM
Disregard cats. Acquire canines.
"Disregard females. Acquire monetary assets."
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T.O.
Jun 21 2010, 01:44 AM
Al Araam
Jun 20 2010, 10:22 PM
Disregard cats. Acquire canines.
"Disregard females. Acquire monetary assets."
Fuck money, get bitches.
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Atticus
Jun 21 2010, 01:35 AM
Union
Jun 20 2010, 10:16 PM
Let one establish dominance.

It will not be pretty.
That was my first idea, but my mom kept freaking out when they went at it.
Pick the one you want to dominate, then YOU enforce it. Let the dom of your choice eat first, drink water first, if the other gets in the Dom's way, smack it to get it to move.

Are these two males??

Also, I have no use for cats, so feel free to drown them or perform 17th century type experiments on them (How long can a cat live with it's brain removed?)
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Jun 21 2010, 08:25 AM
Atticus
Jun 21 2010, 01:35 AM
Union
Jun 20 2010, 10:16 PM
Let one establish dominance.

It will not be pretty.
That was my first idea, but my mom kept freaking out when they went at it.
Pick the one you want to dominate, then YOU enforce it. Let the dom of your choice eat first, drink water first, if the other gets in the Dom's way, smack it to get it to move.

Are these two males??

Also, I have no use for cats, so feel free to drown them or perform 17th century type experiments on them (How long can a cat live with it's brain removed?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BPlFfc-h8s
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Atticus
Jun 20 2010, 08:56 PM
To put this thread back on topic, I do also have a problem with my pets. For some reason, my two cats wont seem to get along. They can't even be in the same room together. We've tried everything, but nothing works. I've honestly come to the point where my only choice is to put both of them in a bag and beat the bag against a tree.
Kill them both and get two dogs instead.
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Hesperia
Jun 21 2010, 12:29 PM
Atticus
Jun 20 2010, 08:56 PM
To put this thread back on topic, I do also have a problem with my pets. For some reason, my two cats wont seem to get along. They can't even be in the same room together. We've tried everything, but nothing works. I've honestly come to the point where my only choice is to put both of them in a bag and beat the bag against a tree.
Kill them both and get two dogs instead.
Ha, I already have two dogs. Two dogs, two cats, 3 tortoises, 1 turtle.

One's a male and the other is a female.

Cats suck, completely. I hate them with all my heart. This one cat, the mae cat, has something wrong with its bladder so it urinates everywhere, everywhere! Then, for some reason he doesn't clean himself, and he'll come and jump in your lap, after you push him off, you'll find a huge shit stain on your pants.
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Atticus
Jun 21 2010, 02:01 PM
Cats suck, completely. I hate them with all my heart. This one cat, the male cat, has something wrong with its bladder so it urinates everywhere, everywhere! Then, for some reason he doesn't clean himself, and he'll come and jump in your lap, after you push him off, you'll find a huge shit stain on your pants.
In my neck of the woods someone would just take that cat and shoot it.
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