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Hello; Noob in the house, ready your weapons!
Topic Started: Jun 13 2010, 09:00 AM (2,168 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Nag Ehgoeg
Jun 21 2010, 07:07 AM
Tristan da Cunha
Jun 21 2010, 01:23 AM
On normalcy:

Normalcy is that which I and I alone decide to be normal.
-al = -ity
-t = cy

Normality was coined first. And has always had wider use. And is linguistically congruent (like normalness).
Normalcy was coined later. Has always had lesser use and more informal use. It is not linguistically congruent. It has never appeared in a British dictionary. Its position as an American English word is hotly contested. Its survival into the modern age is due to its usage by a famous illiterate.

I know I've already ranted this at TC: this is for the newbies benefit. :P
Well, I stand corrected, again.

Welcome, Sultan Suleyman :)
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jun 21 2010, 01:59 PM.
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Let's hope this one stays.
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Tristan da Cunha
Jun 21 2010, 01:23 AM
On normalcy:

Normalcy is that which I and I alone decide to be normal.
Never heard the term "normalcy". In French we say "normalité" which means "normality".
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

A warm hello and welcome to both our new members, Leselier and Sultan Suleyman. In quickly glancing through the various pages of this thread, I noticed that my name was thrown around a couple of times and I only wish to add that should either of you have any questions, comments, or concerns please do not hesitate to send me a PM or find me on AIM (username: TheGodfather523).
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Tristan da Cunha
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On normality:

Normality is that which I and I alone decide to be normal.

Much better.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jun 21 2010, 04:40 PM.
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Ulgania
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Such turns of speech are completely unnecessary. I seriously hate grammar, syntax, mechanics, etc... and how the variations of normal, and the enforcement of those variations, are keeping the language from evolving.

Either way,

welcome Sultan!
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Tristan da Cunha
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I hold dear all that you hate. I am sorry it has to come to this. :alien:
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Makes sense at this point. We've agreed on a discussion, what, once or twice?
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Ulgania
Jun 21 2010, 05:05 PM
Such turns of speech are completely unnecessary. I seriously hate grammar, syntax, mechanics, etc... and how the variations of normal, and the enforcement of those variations, are keeping the language from evolving.

Either way,

welcome Sultan!
You seem like a total deviant.
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Rhadamanthus
Jun 21 2010, 05:43 PM
Ulgania
Jun 21 2010, 05:05 PM
Such turns of speech are completely unnecessary. I seriously hate grammar, syntax, mechanics, etc... and how the variations of normal, and the enforcement of those variations, are keeping the language from evolving.

Either way,

welcome Sultan!
You seem like a total deviant.
Agreed! What, you trying to put me out of a job?? In this economy???? What are you, pro-Obama??????
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Jun 22 2010, 08:30 AM
pro-Obama??????
:sick:
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Ahem. The grammatically correct term is "pro-bama". Be aware, however, that the term can also be used to describe a prostitute which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Commander-in-Chief.
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Al Araam
Jun 22 2010, 03:30 PM
Ahem. The grammatically correct term is "pro-bama". Be aware, however, that the term can also be used to describe a prostitute which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Commander-in-Chief.
Damn! I paid for him last time I was in Minneapolis! :lol: :lol:
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Al Araam
Jun 22 2010, 03:30 PM
Ahem. The grammatically correct term is "pro-bama". Be aware, however, that the term can also be used to describe a prostitute which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Commander-in-Chief.
Damn! I paid for him last time I was in Minneapolis! :lol: :lol:
Why does this give me terrible mental images of horrible, horrible dirty talk involving american politics.

Least dirty being the first part just following disrobing, "How's that for a stimulus package?"
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Jun 23 2010, 06:25 AM
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Al Araam
Jun 22 2010, 03:30 PM
Ahem. The grammatically correct term is "pro-bama". Be aware, however, that the term can also be used to describe a prostitute which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Commander-in-Chief.
Damn! I paid for him last time I was in Minneapolis! :lol: :lol:
Why does this give me terrible mental images of horrible, horrible dirty talk involving american politics. <br /><br />Least dirty being the first part just following disrobing, "How's that for a stimulus package?"
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Jun 23 2010, 06:25 AM
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Jun 22 2010, 04:32 PM
Al Araam
Jun 22 2010, 03:30 PM
Ahem. The grammatically correct term is "pro-bama". Be aware, however, that the term can also be used to describe a prostitute which bears an uncanny resemblance to the Commander-in-Chief.
Damn! I paid for him last time I was in Minneapolis! :lol: :lol:
Why does this give me terrible mental images of horrible, horrible dirty talk involving american politics.

Least dirty being the first part just following disrobing, "How's that for a stimulus package?"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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FYI: "Normalcy" is a term commonly used in political science. So is normalize. Political science has many words made up just for the field.

So, Nag and RD, I believe you have political scientists to blame. Dr. Wohlers has never said normality. He has said normalcy many, many times.

Normalcy can be considered as the normal or average degree of something. To reach "normalcy" is to become normal or average. To normalize something is to make it normal, or rather to make it reach normalcy.

Oh, political science, how I will miss thee.
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Sedulius
Jun 24 2010, 03:53 AM
FYI: "Normalcy" is a term commonly used in political science. So is normalize. Political science has many words made up just for the field.

So, Nag and RD, I believe you have political scientists to blame. Dr. Wohlers has never said normality. He has said normalcy many, many times.

Normalcy can be considered as the normal or average degree of something. To reach "normalcy" is to become normal or average. To normalize something is to make it normal, or rather to make it reach normalcy.

Oh, political science, how I will miss thee.
Normalcy is a common term in American political science because of Harding. I'll continue to blame Harding.

Normalise is a linguistically sound word. A widely used word at that. Normalize is a acoustically viable recognised American English variant.
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What is terrible Nag is that American spellchecks count normalise as misspelled. I know it is the correct British spelling.

Yet normalcy and normality are just fine.

While we're on this, what really bothers me is the pronunciation of "Celtic" and "Celts" by many people, which I believe is actually the British's fault. For some reason, many people insist on pronouncing is Seltik and Selts, which is fucking retarded, and I find it personally insulting. I am especially annoyed when people refer to Kelts as Seltiks.

The correct way to say the words are Keltik and Kelts. As far as I know, the words are Latin based. In Classical Latin, c is always pronounced as k. Hence, Celts is Kelts, Celtic is Keltik. Celtiberia is Keltiberia. Celti is Kelti. This also means that Caesar is Kaisar, and Cerberus is Kerberoos (ae makes an ai sound, u makes the deep u sound, oo).

So, don't think the Americans are the only ones guilty of making up words and mispelling/mispronouncing them. The British are plenty bad as well.

That said, I'm trying to figure out how on should really pronounce Byzantine. I say Bizantine (small i). Others say Biizantiine (long i). I figure the only way to really know how it is correctly pronounced is to figure out how Byzantium is pronounced in Greek (and at that, the Thracian dialect, if one still exists).
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Sedulius
Jun 24 2010, 02:26 PM
What is terrible Nag is that American spellchecks count normalise as misspelled. I know it is the correct British spelling.

Yet normalcy and normality are just fine.

While we're on this, what really bothers me is the pronunciation of "Celtic" and "Celts" by many people, which I believe is actually the British's fault. For some reason, many people insist on pronouncing is Seltik and Selts, which is fucking retarded, and I find it personally insulting. I am especially annoyed when people refer to Kelts as Seltiks.

The correct way to say the words are Keltik and Kelts. As far as I know, the words are Latin based. In Classical Latin, c is always pronounced as k. Hence, Celts is Kelts, Celtic is Keltik. Celtiberia is Keltiberia. Celti is Kelti. This also means that Caesar is Kaisar, and Cerberus is Kerberoos (ae makes an ai sound, u makes the deep u sound, oo).

So, don't think the Americans are the only ones guilty of making up words and mispelling/mispronouncing them. The British are plenty bad as well.

That said, I'm trying to figure out how on should really pronounce Byzantine. I say Bizantine (small i). Others say Biizantiine (long i). I figure the only way to really know how it is correctly pronounced is to figure out how Byzantium is pronounced in Greek (and at that, the Thracian dialect, if one still exists).
Bye-zan-tyne. That what I have always said.

I have always used Keltic and Kelt, unless I am talking to a Scottish football fan, then I have to say Seltic, or be beaten up by some 5'3" Scot with a bad attitude.
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I use the hard "C" (i.e., "K") in Celts and Celtics, but the soft "C" (i.e, "S") isn't really wrong, when speaking English, because that's how "C" followed by "e" is usually pronounced in English since "E" generally acts as a soft vowel.

For Byzantine, I use "biz-un-teen" with stress on the first syllable. (see also: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/byzantine I think the first pronunciation given is the same as mine)
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jun 24 2010, 03:16 PM.
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