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Mormons
Topic Started: Jun 7 2010, 02:46 AM (363 Views)
Sedulius
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Wow. There's a movie on right now on The Movie Channel called September Dawn about the massacre of over 100 settlers in 1857 Utah by Mormons. I knew about the terrible event, but I didn't know they made a movie about it. Really puts into perspective how terrible that "church" is.
Edited by Sedulius, Jun 7 2010, 02:47 AM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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According to wikipedia the Mormons commemorate the massacre victims regularly, so at least they are not shirking responsibility.

As much as I hate the Mormon Church, I still have to respect the Mormon, John Moses Browning who designed the M2 machine gun, the 1911 .45, the lever action Winchesters, etc. A true patriot.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jun 7 2010, 03:07 AM.
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Jun 7 2010, 03:07 AM
As much as I hate the Mormon Church, I still have to respect the Mormon, John Moses Browning who designed the M2 machine gun, the 1911 .45, the lever action Winchesters, etc. A true patriot.
All red blooded Americans love that man.
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Sedulius
Jun 7 2010, 02:46 AM
Wow. There's a movie on right now on The Movie Channel called September Dawn about the massacre of over 100 settlers in 1857 Utah by Mormons. I knew about the terrible event, but I didn't know they made a movie about it. Really puts into perspective how terrible that "church" is.
I don't care for the Mormons one way or another, but one event in 1857 does not put a contemporary institution "into perspective."
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You really don't want the murder of 100 settlers to be your opening salvo about the evils of any one religion. You know almost every religion has much, much worse than that on their conscience, right? Most every nation and ethnic group as well, for that matter. One hundred people a century and a half ago? So what?
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Toussaint
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If you read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's A Study in Scarlett you'll get more insight into the Mormons.
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One also forgets the slaughter of Mormons in Illinois that forced them further West. It all has to do with controlling imigration - if the native Americans had been better at border control they'd still rule here!
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I don't care for the Mormons one way or another, but one event in 1857 does not put a contemporary institution "into perspective.
This.
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Jun 7 2010, 08:39 AM
If you read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's A Study in Scarlett you'll get more insight into the Mormons.
I was going to say that :lol:
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:rolleyes:

Every "church" has had black eyes of its own.
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Jun 7 2010, 10:24 AM
Toussaint
Jun 7 2010, 08:39 AM
If you read Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's A Study in Scarlett you'll get more insight into the Mormons.
I was going to say that :lol:
I'll leave you to make a The Sign of Four reference one the opportunity arises. ;)
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How are you guys so widely read?
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I went on a Sherlock Holmes binge once. Well, twice. The first was just before college. The second was just before the movie came out so I could be one of those annoying people who pointed out flaws and whatnot.
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Nvm.
Edited by Hastine, Jun 7 2010, 08:35 PM.
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Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
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Jun 7 2010, 10:32 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
It is so good to see young people reading good literature. So many of the books on that list represent the common bond that makes us a unique nation - although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
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Jun 8 2010, 08:17 AM
although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
I don't think they're public domain yet. :P
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Jun 8 2010, 08:52 AM
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Jun 8 2010, 08:17 AM
although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
I don't think they're public domain yet. :P
Ah, yes. That old copyright bugaboo!
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Jun 7 2010, 10:32 PM
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Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
It is so good to see young people reading good literature. So many of the books on that list represent the common bond that makes us a unique nation - although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
Vonnegut, as in Kurt Vonnegut? :sick: Eww, I've read one of his books, not good at all.
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Jun 8 2010, 11:32 PM
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Jun 8 2010, 08:17 AM
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Jun 7 2010, 10:32 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
It is so good to see young people reading good literature. So many of the books on that list represent the common bond that makes us a unique nation - although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
Vonnegut, as in Kurt Vonnegut? :sick: Eww, I've read one of his books, not good at all.
Heathen

Well, an understandable heathen. I had a hard time getting into him, but you can pick his brain with his posthumous work, "Armageddon in Retrospect". It's a collection of short stories, all of them with their own merits (and a few of them an inspiration for a handful of my stranger posts)
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Jun 8 2010, 11:40 PM
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Jun 8 2010, 11:32 PM
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Jun 8 2010, 08:17 AM
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Jun 7 2010, 10:32 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
It is so good to see young people reading good literature. So many of the books on that list represent the common bond that makes us a unique nation - although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
Vonnegut, as in Kurt Vonnegut? :sick: Eww, I've read one of his books, not good at all.
Heathen

Well, an understandable heathen. I had a hard time getting into him, but you can pick his brain with his posthumous work, "Armageddon in Retrospect". It's a collection of short stories, all of them with their own merits (and a few of them an inspiration for a handful of my stranger posts)
I read A Man Without a Country. A mi, it was just some crazy disillusioned ramblings of a dying, denial old man.
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Some of Vonnegut sucks, some is awesome/great mindfuck.

I suggest Welcome to the Monkey House, a collection of his great short stories.
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Jun 8 2010, 11:32 PM
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Jun 8 2010, 08:17 AM
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Jun 7 2010, 10:32 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Jun 7 2010, 05:39 PM
How are you guys so widely read?
I've spent most of the last year reading this pretty inclusive collection.

I haven't got through it all, but I've hit many excellent books. Yay literature.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/classics/
It is so good to see young people reading good literature. So many of the books on that list represent the common bond that makes us a unique nation - although, there are a few glaring works missing; Rand, Vonnegut and others! Nice though.
Vonnegut, as in Kurt Vonnegut? :sick: Eww, I've read one of his books, not good at all.
Which book?? Read one of his "Great" books, like "Slaughterhouse 5" or "Player Piano".
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Jun 9 2010, 08:32 AM
"Player Piano".
This. I actually read it in a History of Media class about a year or so back, as an example of how machines and computers were viewed. It was a really good one.
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Jun 9 2010, 10:35 AM
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"Player Piano".
This. I actually read it in a History of Media class about a year or so back, as an example of how machines and computers were viewed. It was a really good one.
One of my favorites, and Vonnegut's first novel. He based in on the time we worked for GE. I also like all the play on words in this book, just like the title, "Player Piano" versus "Piano Player"! I like things like that. Granted, at times he can write like the engineer he was, and sometimes, his flights of fantasy ("Galopogos" (sp??)) can get downright silly, but when he is on, he is really on!
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