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History of Republicanism
Topic Started: Jun 4 2010, 12:22 AM (731 Views)
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Draxis
Jun 4 2010, 09:05 PM
I still technically am a republic... even though my RPs have never focused on the republic part though it is important to a degree... :dry:
"Technically" isn't good enough.
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Jun 4 2010, 09:42 PM
Draxis
Jun 4 2010, 09:05 PM
I still technically am a republic... even though my RPs have never focused on the republic part though it is important to a degree... :dry:
"Technically" isn't good enough.
I say technically due to the current situation. I WAS a republic until now.
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The Union wants to expel all monarchies out of Iberia, if that helps, Atticus.
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Jun 5 2010, 12:53 AM
The Union wants to expel all monarchies out of Iberia, if that helps, Atticus.
Ha, well there's two of us then.
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The Confederate States, given the president elected at any given time, can take a hard-line against monarchies and dictators. At the moment we're willing to call anything un-democratic a successor state to the Dominion and launch military action against it. If that helps :lol:
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Jun 5 2010, 11:53 AM
The Confederate States, given the president elected at any given time, can take a hard-line against monarchies and dictators. At the moment we're willing to call anything un-democratic a successor state to the Dominion and launch military action against it. If that helps :lol:
Don't make me declare republics and all non-monarchial states to be successors of the dominion! :furious:
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Where would that put Venice? An outcast to both sides?
Edited by Telosan, Jun 5 2010, 12:17 PM.
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Telosan
Jun 5 2010, 12:16 PM
Where would that put Venice? An outcast to both sides?
Under the terms of our treaty the friends and enemies of the Roman Empire become friends and enemies repectively of Venice.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

I've slowly worked to establish myself again after Porcu's bout with Fascism, but does that seriously hinder her credibility in the eyes of other countries? What is the opinion of other countries with regard to Porcu's claim?

Btw, Venice is seen as a possible bridge between the two sides by Porcu (Stockholm holds the same opinion about itself, even though it no longer has any monarchical institutions).
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Porcu
Jun 5 2010, 12:25 PM
I've slowly worked to establish myself again after Porcu's bout with Fascism, but does that seriously hinder her credibility in the eyes of other countries? What is the opinion of other countries with regard to Porcu's claim?

Btw, Venice is seen as a possible bridge between the two sides by Porcu (Stockholm holds the same opinion about itself, even though it no longer has any monarchical institutions).
As far as I'm concerned fascism doesn't make you any less republican. A fascist state can be a republic or a monarchy (see Mussolini's Italy). And of course, you know I like Porcu just fine.
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What of Imperial-English relations?
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Jun 5 2010, 01:45 PM
What of Imperial-English relations?
Good I think. England is friends with Ireland, right? In any case, the Empire does not actively attempt to suppress republics.
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Sperry is a fence-sitter. It is a constitutional monarchy in the same respect as say, the United Kingdom and Spain in RL, with both a full-fledged democratic government as well as a monarch with a small amount of power, but a large amount of influence and respect. Though Sperry has had some dictatorships in the past, and the monarchy has been ejected and then reinstated twice.

Sperry tend to be wary of nations that go to either extreme of radical republicanism or absolutist monarchy, but are not vocal in condemning nations that are, and is compeltely willing to be allies with them.
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Rhadamanthus
Jun 5 2010, 12:12 PM
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Jun 5 2010, 11:53 AM
The Confederate States, given the president elected at any given time, can take a hard-line against monarchies and dictators. At the moment we're willing to call anything un-democratic a successor state to the Dominion and launch military action against it. If that helps :lol:
Don't make me declare republics and all non-monarchial states to be successors of the dominion! :furious:
What, is a good propaganda tool for the monarchs not just as good a propaganda tool for the Democracies and Republics? :P
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Porcu
Jun 5 2010, 12:25 PM
I've slowly worked to establish myself again after Porcu's bout with Fascism, but does that seriously hinder her credibility in the eyes of other countries? What is the opinion of other countries with regard to Porcu's claim?

Btw, Venice is seen as a possible bridge between the two sides by Porcu (Stockholm holds the same opinion about itself, even though it no longer has any monarchical institutions).
I've always pegged the alliance between Ulgania and Porcu / Ulgania and Rome as those of mutually beneficial for security. Ulgania and Rome do not share a religion, and Ulgania and Porcu have different systems of government in place nowadays. Either way, political doctrine has not gotten in the way of international stability.
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Jun 5 2010, 02:48 PM
Porcu
Jun 5 2010, 12:25 PM
I've slowly worked to establish myself again after Porcu's bout with Fascism, but does that seriously hinder her credibility in the eyes of other countries? What is the opinion of other countries with regard to Porcu's claim?

Btw, Venice is seen as a possible bridge between the two sides by Porcu (Stockholm holds the same opinion about itself, even though it no longer has any monarchical institutions).
I've always pegged the alliance between Ulgania and Porcu / Ulgania and Rome as those of mutually beneficial for security. Ulgania and Rome do not share a religion, and Ulgania and Porcu have different systems of government in place nowadays. Either way, political doctrine has not gotten in the way of international stability.
Exactly; I call that doctrine "sanity".
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Jun 5 2010, 12:21 PM
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Jun 5 2010, 12:16 PM
Where would that put Venice? An outcast to both sides?
Under the terms of our treaty the friends and enemies of the Roman Empire become friends and enemies repectively of Venice.
Since Venice is on that middle line, then most likely we would take offense to them. Its like a half-breed government in my eyes. Same thing goes with Sperry.

Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
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Jun 6 2010, 12:43 AM
Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
They got punched in the nose by the TOK....
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Jun 6 2010, 12:43 AM
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Jun 5 2010, 12:21 PM
Telosan
Jun 5 2010, 12:16 PM
Where would that put Venice? An outcast to both sides?
Under the terms of our treaty the friends and enemies of the Roman Empire become friends and enemies repectively of Venice.
Since Venice is on that middle line, then most likely we would take offense to them. Its like a half-breed government in my eyes. Same thing goes with Sperry.

Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
At what point is a state obligated to start promoting republicanism? Porcu has worldwide colonies, which can be viewed in a totally different way.
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Jun 6 2010, 01:24 AM
Atticus
Jun 6 2010, 12:43 AM
Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
They got punched in the nose by the TOK....
This.

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At what point is a state obligated to start promoting republicanism? Porcu has worldwide colonies, which can be viewed in a totally different way.
And this. That's why IC-wise I'm so keen on calling my colonies "dependencies", you could think if it as a different way of spreading democracy. Of course, there's the classical argument that I'm simply an imperialist power.
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Jun 6 2010, 08:15 AM
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Jun 6 2010, 01:24 AM
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Jun 6 2010, 12:43 AM
Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
They got punched in the nose by the TOK....
This.

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At what point is a state obligated to start promoting republicanism? Porcu has worldwide colonies, which can be viewed in a totally different way.
And this. That's why IC-wise I'm so keen on calling my colonies "dependencies", you could think if it as a different way of spreading democracy. Of course, there's the classical argument that I'm simply an imperialist power.
Well wouldn't you guys want revenge? To strike back against monarchism, and set free those oppressed people?
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

Nixon the Elder (the first Nixon president) had his wife killed by a Yshurak aircraft that broke through Porcu's air defense during the War. He never fully recovered emotionally/psychologically from that experience and so wasn't too willing to piss off the monarchists and ToK members. I've recently set out some changes to my government and politics (Please see my news thread), so a new direction for the future is very possible.
Edited by Porcu, Jun 6 2010, 08:36 PM.
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Jun 6 2010, 08:29 PM
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Jun 6 2010, 08:15 AM
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Jun 6 2010, 01:24 AM
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Jun 6 2010, 12:43 AM
Porcu, in my opinion, is much too soft. Its republican, but it doesn't seem to care enough to try and make the world more democratic.
They got punched in the nose by the TOK....
This.

Ulgania
 
At what point is a state obligated to start promoting republicanism? Porcu has worldwide colonies, which can be viewed in a totally different way.
And this. That's why IC-wise I'm so keen on calling my colonies "dependencies", you could think if it as a different way of spreading democracy. Of course, there's the classical argument that I'm simply an imperialist power.
Well wouldn't you guys want revenge? To strike back against monarchism, and set free those oppressed people?
What if people benefit from a great economy and great civil rights already? What if all that there is to liberate them from is an idea that keeps the mob from ruling? Besides, there haven't been any fewer wars in the real world since democracy started up :lol:
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Jun 6 2010, 08:35 PM
Nixon the Elder (the first Nixon president) had his wife killed by a Yshurak aircraft that broke through Porcu's air defense during the War. He never fully recovered emotionally/psychologically from that experience and so wasn't too willing to piss off the monarchists and ToK members. I've recently set out some changes to my government and politics (Please see my news thread), so a new direction for the future is very possible.
I like.

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What if people benefit from a great economy and great civil rights already? What if all that there is to liberate them from is an idea that keeps the mob from ruling? Besides, there haven't been any fewer wars in the real world since democracy started up
well the people still don't have the power. And besides, this is nothing like the real world. We have 9 billion people living in countries the size of New Jersey. :lol:
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Atticus
Jun 6 2010, 08:40 PM
well the people still don't have the power.
Sure, going to war in a republic is much different than going to war in a non-republic. That only changes the nature of it.

Also, people do have power. The Kaiser granted what the people demanded way back when in Germany. The people got what they wanted from an emperor, even if it wasn't someone who they installed. People can still benefit without democracy.

Er... I'm getting off track. What was the point again?
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