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History of Republicanism
Topic Started: Jun 4 2010, 12:22 AM (730 Views)
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Anyone willing to give me a history of the rise and fall of Republicanism in NSWR?

Plus is there a way I could get a list of all the current republican nations?
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The Union blames the Vlachos monarchy for the dissolution of Spain and are staunchly pro-republican.

Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

I PMed you some links, Att, so hopefully that clarifies things a bit for you. That said, Porcu is certainly a republican nation, but is keen on honoring its treaty obligations (the treaty in question being the Treaty of Çerdoville) and does not promote the radical republican policies of Tou's former nation of Çerdoné.
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Jun 4 2010, 12:28 AM
Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
Çerdoné was the biggest player in Republicanism, it was through their violent ideals of spreading Republicanism that forced many nations to team up and take it down.
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Jun 4 2010, 12:34 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 12:28 AM
Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
Çerdoné was the biggest player in Republicanism, it was through their violent ideals of spreading Republicanism that forced many nations to team up and take it down.
This all needs to change.
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Menhad
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Jun 4 2010, 12:37 AM
T.O.
Jun 4 2010, 12:34 AM
Union
Jun 4 2010, 12:28 AM
Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
Çerdoné was the biggest player in Republicanism, it was through their violent ideals of spreading Republicanism that forced many nations to team up and take it down.
This all needs to change.
Well some nations might listen, but you will meet some opposition from the older nations (Russia, The Romans, etc)

My question is why do you care? I like playing non-standard nations, and since republicanism is pretty standard (in RL) it's not as exciting.
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Cerdone was a founding member of the Madrid Pact. They and Andorra were the major republicans. During the war, Cerdone got split up, and Andorra was made part of Hispania, forming the country Spain. Spain would later try to reduce the influence of its Roman monarch, catalyzing a civil war between the monarchists supported by Rome and the Falangists. The Falangists would eventually establish Huesca, which became the Union today.

Edited by Union, Jun 4 2010, 12:44 AM.
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T.O.
Jun 4 2010, 12:43 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 12:37 AM
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Jun 4 2010, 12:34 AM
Union
Jun 4 2010, 12:28 AM
Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
Çerdoné was the biggest player in Republicanism, it was through their violent ideals of spreading Republicanism that forced many nations to team up and take it down.
This all needs to change.
Well some nations might listen, but you will meet some opposition from the older nations (Russia, The Romans, etc)

My question is why do you care? I like playing non-standard nations, and since republicanism is pretty standard (in RL) it's not as exciting.
The real enjoyment lies in the challenge. Republicanism is pretty drab, I'll admit, but radical republicanism, well, that cannot be standard. I am fond of the idea of going against the world, influencing and placing my mark on history. There's plenty of enjoyment to be found, you just have to go stiring up the right hornet's nest.
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Ulgania
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Don't look at Africa :lol:

Morrocon, run by CNNP (who I guess has a family and a teaching career now) had a succesful republic, featuring President Obama.

That's really it though.
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Union
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Isn't Ulgania a 'Republican Empire'? (republican meaning non-monarchy/non-theocracy)
Edited by Union, Jun 4 2010, 12:58 AM.
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Atticus
Jun 4 2010, 12:53 AM
T.O.
Jun 4 2010, 12:43 AM
Atticus
Jun 4 2010, 12:37 AM
T.O.
Jun 4 2010, 12:34 AM
Union
Jun 4 2010, 12:28 AM
Republicanism was largely discredited through the Madrid Pact and the war between them and the ToK, which the ToK won.
Çerdoné was the biggest player in Republicanism, it was through their violent ideals of spreading Republicanism that forced many nations to team up and take it down.
This all needs to change.
Well some nations might listen, but you will meet some opposition from the older nations (Russia, The Romans, etc)

My question is why do you care? I like playing non-standard nations, and since republicanism is pretty standard (in RL) it's not as exciting.
The real enjoyment lies in the challenge. Republicanism is pretty drab, I'll admit, but radical republicanism, well, that cannot be standard. I am fond of the idea of going against the world, influencing and placing my mark on history. There's plenty of enjoyment to be found, you just have to go stiring up the right hornet's nest.
Indeed. Radical republics are hardly 'standard.'
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Union
Jun 4 2010, 12:57 AM
Isn't Ulgania a 'Republican Empire'? (republican meaning non-monarchy/non-theocracy)
Sure.

It's done on purpose to illustrate that heredity is not the intended method of transition between heads of states. That's essentially out the window, or will be in my next dozen or so RPs.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

And to think Ulgania essentially saved the republican system in Porcu. What has this world come to? :P
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There was this other event that helped to discredit republicanism. You see, there was this radical anti-monarchist dissident, who after years of crazy schemes, finally managed to overthrow the Kasnyian monarchy and created a Kasnyian Military Republic in its place...
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Jun 4 2010, 07:15 AM
There was this other event that helped to discredit republicanism. You see, there was this radical anti-monarchist dissident, who after years of crazy schemes, finally managed to overthrow the Kasnyian monarchy and created a Kasnyian Military Republic in its place...
That was so not a Republic.
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:rolleyes: If you say so
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A constitution doesn't necessarily mean republic, and a republic doesn't necessarily need a constitution. You can have democracy without republicanism, and you can have hereditary tendencies without being a monarchy.

But the Communitarian Empire isn't as fun to throw around as a title
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A republic is an impartial term. It literally only describes non-monarchies/non-theocracies.

I'd agree Gassel played a huge role in discrediting militant republicanism, but many republics, such as myself or Ulgania, helped fight Gassel in key areas.
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Not to discredit every nations already mentioned as they certainly left their own unique mark on democracy and Republicanism on our world, but there are also older accounts as well. Why we once had a democratic Jewish state that was, by its own right, influential in the Middle East though its existence was relatively short compared to other nations. Also, wasn't Wadj (the nation, not the player) a democratic state? He was pretty influential in the Middle East as well. Come to think about it, wasn't Patrua democratic? If so, then that's perhaps the best example of how powerful democracy and Republicanism can become in our world, as I believe during its stay here, Patrua was considered one of the most powerful nations here, equal to say CE, Nag, Scy, RD, and Paradise.

Then of course there is Great New France, who has sporadically made a mark here and there on our world although I'd personally say that his old African nation of Great Denizistan has perhaps made more of a mark than new France.

My point is, that while its never been perhaps the most popular form of government, Democracies and Republic have been around for perhaps as long as I've been here. Each have found a way to make their marks, some making incredible marks on our world we cannot easily forget.

As for nations currently existing that are democracies, well in respects to me there is:
-Confederate States of America
-Republic of Southern Georgia
-Republic of Taiwan (Getting to it, technically it doesn't exist yet)

For me, the last two have no military power but could certainly serve as strong economic allies to other democratic and republican nations.

Oh and the Commonwealth (soon to be renamed...agian :lol: ) is technically a constitutional monarchy and will remain as such. There is a monarch, but the throne is not hereditary and I'll be changing the way the monarch is appointed that will lean it a little further over to the democratic side.
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NAN is a federal repubblic.

Holy roman empire is a federal empire and contains some repubblics.
HRE is also a democracy
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Union
Jun 4 2010, 10:56 AM
A republic is an impartial term. It literally only describes non-monarchies/non-theocracies.

I'd agree Gassel played a huge role in discrediting militant republicanism, but many republics, such as myself or Ulgania, helped fight Gassel in key areas.
I agree with everything Union said here.

NRE: Patrua was democratic, but not republican. Patrua was a monarchy.
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Rhadamanthus
Jun 4 2010, 02:27 PM
NRE: Patrua was democratic, but not republican. Patrua was a monarchy.
Yeah I went looking through the old fact sheets, Patrua was democratic, to a point. Wadji was slightly more democratic that Patrua, given he was a constitutional sultanate.
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Venice is democratic to a degree. All problems go to an elected senate and the monarch is elected by the senate.

The Falkland Confederation is a federal republic as well.
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I believe we argued this point before.

Well, is anyone willing to come along the radical path with me?
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I still technically am a republic... even though my RPs have never focused on the republic part though it is important to a degree... :dry:

Everyone forgets about good old Draxis. Then again it could just be the fact that I occupy Ukraine, and nobody ever cares about Ukraine unless there are drinking games involving bear pits and fathers showing their love by throwing their kids down a well. :lol:
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