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Should the empire peacefully annexed Bavaria?
Yes 9 (56.3%)
No 7 (43.8%)
Total Votes: 16
Should the empire peacefully annexed Bavaria?; IInd round.
Topic Started: May 6 2010, 10:46 AM (406 Views)
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This poll will be affected also the "In game".

Yes- means that NRE will move to Bavaria a prosition of alliance and will annex it(i belive that to annex bavaria i need no a war since cultural ties between Austria and Bavaria are very strong) but the actual government will went down and i'll procede with a new election.

No - Means that HRE will not expand in Germany(at least of this time) but FDP/Erbe Partei government and Alliance will continues in next time.
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I'm just curious: can I know the reasons for yes and no?
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Kasnyia
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Too much grey area.
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Vote closed.

by a small margin Bavaria will be invited in the empire
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You can follow this matter on HRE rise again topic
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Umm, the vote's tied. You didn't win.
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but tied after i closed the ballot.
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Sure..... :gnarkgnark:
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Hey man...i'm Italian...i'm a master of polls manipulation :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, really, when i closed the vote i have 6 votes yes, 5 no.

Howver i not rob anyone not?
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Kasnyia
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Atticus, I can confirm the poll was in favor of Annexation at the time he closed it.
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Calm down, :lol: I'm just messing.

EDIT: Guess I should of added the emoticon to that last post.
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Don't worry my friend. :)
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Reason why I say yes:

Things just look wrong without Germany at Europe's center. I approve every step to restore the Holy Roman Empire.

Of course, I also approve every step to restore the Roman Empire, hence, there is a conflict of interest.

I also approve any expansion of the Russian Empire.

Reason being: I just love these Empires. As much as I love Ireland. And look at Ireland. Nice and whole. The difference is I had to take a whole lot less land.
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May 10 2010, 07:18 PM
Of course, I also approve every step to restore the Roman Empire, hence, there is a conflict of interest.
Indeed, since that would mean the end of the Venetian Republic.
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Telosan
May 10 2010, 07:39 PM
Sedulius
May 10 2010, 07:18 PM
Of course, I also approve every step to restore the Roman Empire, hence, there is a conflict of interest.
Indeed, since that would mean the end of the Venetian Republic.
What Republic? :lol:
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May 10 2010, 07:46 PM
Telosan
May 10 2010, 07:39 PM
Sedulius
May 10 2010, 07:18 PM
Of course, I also approve every step to restore the Roman Empire, hence, there is a conflict of interest.
Indeed, since that would mean the end of the Venetian Republic.
What Republic? :lol:
It is a republic, however limited. ^^
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May 10 2010, 07:18 PM
I also approve any expansion of the Russian Empire.
I really, really want to see an expansion of Russia. A fairly large one.

Right now, it is completely ridiculous to call it "Russia" when it owns only a very small portion of actual Russian territory. I'd like to see Russia grow, and grow immensely.
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Kasnyia
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:rolleyes:

Not everything has to fit the borders of the RL world. Indeed, thats a fear I have with setting all the land in our world to RL borders.

Thats not to say I don't want Russia to expand, I do. But not in an arbitrary manner. Especially if it goes against the general way the IC world has been. For instance Siberia. In our world, it is the domain of Sakha and its successor states, with small Slavic city states popping up here and there, along with a heavier Korean influence, thanks to the Eastern Empire. It doesn't belong to Moscow at all. So if Russia must expand, which again, I agree it should if NRE wants to, it should be done according to natural events of the IC world (rather than tailoring the IC world to RL borders).
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I'm not saying Russia should go all the way to Sakhalin. The sarcasm face isn't warranted.

But it's an important player in our world and is surrounded by land that's hardly ever used by any players. But Russia is a massive state with a wide variety of ethnicities. By calling his nation 'Russia,' NRE has made a connection to the real world.
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Kasnyia
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His Russia is still under the Romanovs in the modern world and was never the Soviet Union and is currently a player in the greater Byzantine Empire. So no. Its not. This Russia is entirely different. The face is warranted not just because of you, but the entire current tangent of this topic being about the real world.

Also, just because the land to the east of him hasn't been used doesn't mean it won't. In the days when Europe proper was filled, other states took up space in the east.

This forum isn't to replay history. It's to make it, hopefully in a way more novel than the real thing.
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May 10 2010, 10:42 PM
His Russia is still under the Romanovs in the modern world and was never the Soviet Union and is currently a player in the greater Byzantine Empire. So no. Its not. This Russia is entirely different. The face is warranted not just because of you, but the entire current tangent of this topic being about the real world.

Also, just because the land to the east of him hasn't been used doesn't mean it won't. In the days when Europe proper was filled, other states took up space in the east.

This forum isn't to replay history. It's to make it, hopefully in a way more novel than the real thing.
I never said it is the descendant of modern Russia. Hell no I didn't even imply that. However, he uses the name Russia and maintains a historical dynasty. There are many parallels to the real world. I don't think we should mirror the real world. I simply said Russia should be expanded, and, when you compare it to RL 'Russia,' at any time- under the Soviets, the Federation, or the Empire- it is pretty absurd.

I don't think we should replay history. I know this isn't an alternate history. I understand the basic premise of the freaking game. However, when people use RL names and parallel RL countries, then yes, there will be comparisons drawn. That doesn't mean we should try to act as RL- however, OOC, it is perfectly reasonable, and in fact, rather interesting to some of us, to make such comparisons.
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My initial arguments were not in reference to you specifically, so if thats what you meant when you said what you did, thats fine. My argument is on the general trend of this thread. One that has been espoused several other times in the last couple of months on aligning this world (in more than just land) toward the one in RL. That is what I am arguing against.
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Telosan
May 10 2010, 08:28 PM
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May 10 2010, 07:46 PM
Telosan
May 10 2010, 07:39 PM
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May 10 2010, 07:18 PM
Of course, I also approve every step to restore the Roman Empire, hence, there is a conflict of interest.
Indeed, since that would mean the end of the Venetian Republic.
What Republic? :lol:
It is a republic, however limited. ^^
Of course its a republic. Republic doesn't mean "democracy" and the Italian maritime republics were probably the truest inheritors of the "republican" mantle of ancient Rome.

Re: Russia - The name "Russia" doesn't really signify anything outside of the East Slavic region. "Empire" might signify more, however, and I would love to see Russia throw her weight around a little. Something like the following (except for those regions that are occupied by other countries) would be nice: Posted Image
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Telosan
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I'd like to see Russia at least reach the Arctic Ocean. Maybe then it'd make more sense for them to control that island way up there.

Venice is a republic in the form that RD means, more or less.
Edited by Telosan, May 12 2010, 03:47 PM.
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May 11 2010, 09:35 AM
This wouldn't be too shabby.
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