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Topic Started: Apr 19 2010, 10:12 PM (1,169 Views)
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http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_%282010%29

E might just want to move his little anarcgy group over to California.

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They've been collecting signatures all over for a legalization initiative here in Washington as well. Personally I think the dangers of legal marijuana are far less severe than the dangers of legal alcohol, so I don't understand why it shouldn't be legalized. Also, the idea of another source of revenue for the state has got to be pretty damn attractive right now, regardless of where it is derived from.
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LA is shutting down all its weed shops (technically called Marijuana Dispensaries)

I'm waiting for Tuesday to come and go, and on Wednesday for them to re-open after the city goes into an even worse economic slump.

I mean, the shops are closed, then the convenience stores will close when people stop buying munchies, this could mean billions
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NJ legalized medical last year, DC did it on 420, and in Philly its decriminalized.

It will be legal within our lifetimes, I think, though maybe only as a prescription drug, and perhaps only after the "fun" effects have been removed and the cannaboids presented in pill form. :P
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Jun 6 2010, 08:01 PM
NJ legalized medical last year,
I totally missed that while I was away. But I saw the tail end of some of the legislative debates back in '06, so I knew the issue was "ripe" so to speak in NJ.
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Jun 6 2010, 08:01 PM
NJ legalized medical last year, DC did it on 420, and in Philly its decriminalized.

It will be legal within our lifetimes, I think, though maybe only as a prescription drug, and perhaps only after the "fun" effects have been removed and the cannaboids presented in pill form. :P
This isn't for medical, this is for the complete legalization (yo have to be 21 though) in California.
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Yeah, it's the same in WA. Medical marijuana has been legal since 1998, but it's pretty much a non-issue here. You just don't hear about or notice it in the least. Significant manpower has been devoted to the legalization initiative, however. You see people collecting signatures everywhere all the time.
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It doesn't matter. Employees will continue to test for grass, and will continue to refuse to hire users, so unless you have a career making candles, you won't be able to take advantage of its legalization. I am also sick and tired of states looking for "more sources or revenue"! Every new source they open delays the spending cuts that should be done; gambling, grass, prostitution, etc. have all be legalized somewhere for "more revenue". After that, they start increasing the taxes on the "legal" vices, so you end up like Michigan - in Illinois I can buy a 1.50 l bottle of Evan Williams Bourbon for $12.99, in Michigan it is $25.99, Jack Daniels is over $40.00! It is a sin to charge that much, and wait till you see what they charge for legal pot! I hate excessive taxes, period.
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Most companies out of education or hospitals don't particularly care about employee drug use as long as it doesn't affect work. Even at companies with a policy of drug testing, half the time I'm not required to do so when I apply.

This is why drug tests still don't test for synthetic urine, even though you can buy 3 oz for twenty bucks online that is clean. They simply don't care.

Furthermore, if its legal, I do not think they will look any further down on you than if you drank the night before.
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Sometimes I'll see "Proud member of the whatever initiative" stickers in the windows of various retail stores in Vermont, all groups that drug test applicants.

I think state-related/health-related jobs may have more reason to drug test because someone could come screaming about liabilities and whatnot.

In the private market, if a company wants to drug test, and you don't like it, go find another company.
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Jun 7 2010, 11:42 AM
Most companies out of education or hospitals don't particularly care about employee drug use as long as it doesn't affect work. Even at companies with a policy of drug testing, half the time I'm not required to do so when I apply.

This is why drug tests still don't test for synthetic urine, even though you can buy 3 oz for twenty bucks online that is clean. They simply don't care.

Furthermore, if its legal, I do not think they will look any further down on you than if you drank the night before.
To say companies don't care is simply not true.

I've been tested at every major company I've worked at... There is a big difference between working at the local grocery store bagging and trying to get a real job.. Maybe "career" versus "job" would be a good way to differentiate...

Before applying with one company last summer, a relative I knew working for the company (who knew I was coming off my first year in college :lol: ) reminded me that if I tested positive I could not be hired by that company EVER again. Without getting into the specifics of it, this was a big deal because of how much I will have worked through this company when it's all said and done... Needless to say, I hadn't smoked in months, so I went ahead and got tested...

"as long as it doesn't affect work"
To hiring companies, it DOES affect work. Plenty of other job applicants out there who don't smoke. The fact that it is legal makes no difference to companies when it is affecting work.
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That varies on the companies, I guess. I've worked several jobs that could be considered careers, and have never had an issue.
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Jun 7 2010, 11:42 AM
Most companies out of education or hospitals don't particularly care about employee drug use as long as it doesn't affect work. Even at companies with a policy of drug testing, half the time I'm not required to do so when I apply.

This is why drug tests still don't test for synthetic urine, even though you can buy 3 oz for twenty bucks online that is clean. They simply don't care.

Furthermore, if its legal, I do not think they will look any further down on you than if you drank the night before.
To say companies don't care is simply not true.

I've been tested at every major company I've worked at... There is a big difference between working at the local grocery store bagging and trying to get a real job.. Maybe "career" versus "job" would be a good way to differentiate...

Before applying with one company last summer, a relative I knew working for the company (who knew I was coming off my first year in college :lol: ) reminded me that if I tested positive I could not be hired by that company EVER again. Without getting into the specifics of it, this was a big deal because of how much I will have worked through this company when it's all said and done... Needless to say, I hadn't smoked in months, so I went ahead and got tested...

"as long as it doesn't affect work"
To hiring companies, it DOES affect work. Plenty of other job applicants out there who don't smoke. The fact that it is legal makes no difference to companies when it is affecting work.
Well what type of tests do they do? The urine test is only short term, but the hair test can provide a much longer window of detection.
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Hair test is also much more expensive. I have never had a hair test done, in my life.
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I believe the only reason companies test now, is mainly due to the fact weed is still illegal. Once it becomes legal in California, then a lot of these tests are going to be dropped.

Just look at alcohol; employers don't test for that, so weed will most likely just take the same place in society as alcohol.
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Jun 7 2010, 09:43 PM
I believe the only reason companies test now, is mainly due to the fact weed is still illegal. Once it becomes legal in California, then a lot of these tests are going to be dropped.

Just look at alcohol; employers don't test for that, so weed will most likely just take the same place in society as alcohol.
Not true. If your telephone linemen are falling off of poles because they are stoned then it is a serious liability for the company, or if the company is concerned about privacy and/or propriatary information. Some companies won't hire smokers because of insurance liabilities.
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You can't drink on the job either, can you?
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Jun 8 2010, 06:24 PM
You can't drink on the job either, can you?
Exactly. Companies don't test for alcohol. So once weed is legalized, I don't see why they would test for it. Its the legality that has people testing. Alcohol will impair you more, as alcohol will get you "more fucked up" and has the possibility of a hangover that will last with you for quite a while. Thus, alcohol would be more dangerous for a telephone lineman to have used, than weed. Plus, this Californian law will make it illegal to smoke in public. Even so, you don't drink on the job, so you aren't going to smoke on the job.

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Companies don't test for alcohol...

But guess what they do when they see you holding a beer at a raging party in your profile picture on Facebook while Joe Shmoe is holding a basketball? They hire Joe Schmoe.

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The legality is a reason they test for it (liability), but it isn't the only reason. The majority of people in the United States don't have a favorable opinion of weed, the majority of people in the United States don't want it legalized...

Even if weed is legal... When I'm running a small business and I see two drug tests in front of me with two different results for weed, I'm hiring the clean one if all else is equal... Weed isn't the worst thing in the world, but someone telling me they smoke weed tells me something about the person, and it's not positive, even if it isn't a terribly influential negative. I still think it's a big enough negative for some companies that it is worth their $ to test job candidates, even if it's legal. (Plus... The liability an employee creates for a company by smoking weed isn't negated when weed becomes legal...... The risk the company is taking would still be there, that of course being the employee messes something up do to the influence of the drug.)

Hell, you'd be surprised how many people do fail the urine tests.... :unsure: :rolleyes: A sure-fire way to know if someone is too stupid to work for me? If they are too stupid to pass a drug test. :lol:

...

All that said, I'm for the legalization of weed. I'd still drug test at my company after it's legalized too... Would it be an automatic fail? Yes. I told you to get a drug test, what did you think that meant!
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Companies don't test for alcohol...

But guess what they do when they see you holding a beer at a raging party in your profile picture on Facebook while Joe Shmoe is holding a basketball? They hire Joe Schmoe.

...

The legality is a reason they test for it (liability), but it isn't the only reason. The majority of people in the United States don't have a favorable opinion of weed, the majority of people in the United States don't want it legalized...

Even if weed is legal... When I'm running a small business and I see two drug tests in front of me with two different results for weed, I'm hiring the clean one if all else is equal... Weed isn't the worst thing in the world, but someone telling me they smoke weed tells me something about the person, and it's not positive, even if it isn't a terribly influential negative. I still think it's a big enough negative for some companies that it is worth their $ to test job candidates, even if it's legal. (Plus... The liability an employee creates for a company by smoking weed isn't negated when weed becomes legal...... The risk the company is taking would still be there, that of course being the employee messes something up do to the influence of the drug.)

Hell, you'd be surprised how many people do fail the urine tests.... :unsure: :rolleyes: A sure-fire way to know if someone is too stupid to work for me? If they are too stupid to pass a drug test. :lol:

...

All that said, I'm for the legalization of weed. I'd still drug test at my company after it's legalized too... Would it be an automatic fail? Yes. I told you to get a drug test, what did you think that meant!
Drug testing costs money, and companies don't like to spend money, stereotypically. If the legality is no longer a problem, I'm sure a number of companies would drop the tests, in order to save money, etc.
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I simply have not seen marijuana being that big of a deal in the jobs and internships I have had over the years. Half the places never tested, and the other half seemed to do it only do it because they felt they had too.
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I simply have not seen marijuana being that big of a deal in the jobs and internships I have had over the years. Half the places never tested, and the other half seemed to do it only do it because they felt they had too.
I knw they do it over here. The job I want, a life-guarding job at the beach, they do hair tests and are pretty serious about it. Which is weird in hindsight, cause they force the rookies every year to throw a party where a lot of illegal substance go around. :lol:
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http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_%282010%29

E might just want to move his little anarcgy group over to California.

Thoughts?
California can break off and sink into the ocean for all I care.

As for cannabis, I will continue to grow, buy, sell, and use it in whatever manner I please no matter what the criminals calling themselves "the government" say or do.
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EDIT: doublepost, my bad. Please delete.
Edited by East Anarx, Jul 1 2010, 08:17 PM.
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Jun 9 2010, 12:41 AM
Companies don't test for alcohol...

But guess what they do when they see you holding a beer at a raging party in your profile picture on Facebook while Joe Shmoe is holding a basketball? They hire Joe Schmoe.

...

The legality is a reason they test for it (liability), but it isn't the only reason. The majority of people in the United States don't have a favorable opinion of weed, the majority of people in the United States don't want it legalized...

Even if weed is legal... When I'm running a small business and I see two drug tests in front of me with two different results for weed, I'm hiring the clean one if all else is equal... Weed isn't the worst thing in the world, but someone telling me they smoke weed tells me something about the person, and it's not positive, even if it isn't a terribly influential negative. I still think it's a big enough negative for some companies that it is worth their $ to test job candidates, even if it's legal. (Plus... The liability an employee creates for a company by smoking weed isn't negated when weed becomes legal...... The risk the company is taking would still be there, that of course being the employee messes something up do to the influence of the drug.)

Hell, you'd be surprised how many people do fail the urine tests.... :unsure: :rolleyes: A sure-fire way to know if someone is too stupid to work for me? If they are too stupid to pass a drug test. :lol:

...

All that said, I'm for the legalization of weed. I'd still drug test at my company after it's legalized too... Would it be an automatic fail? Yes. I told you to get a drug test, what did you think that meant!
Drug testing costs money, and companies don't like to spend money, stereotypically. If the legality is no longer a problem, I'm sure a number of companies would drop the tests, in order to save money, etc.
It's money well spent when you consider how much more likely drug-free employees are to work out in the long run... Companies don't have to spend the money now, but many still do.

BTW, I passed my drug test. ^^ :smoking:

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Edit: It varies by company, but some DO see it as a very big deal... The employees you interact with might not, but when does any given employee in a large company tell you exactly what the company is all about?
Edited by flumes, Jul 1 2010, 08:25 PM.
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