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OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War
Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,379 Views)
Filo
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The empire will be glad to serch a peacefull solution to conflict.
So Philipp will be glad to talk with anyone that wishes peace
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More aid from the Russians and Sperians? Why not the Venetians :sad: ?

When did Filo post the HRE's statements and is it public or just to the Irish?
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Sorry, I wasn't thinking about the Venetians because they'd already been considerably involved in the conflict. I'll edit the Venetians in. It would make sense.

That said, the war is going again. I want landings to begin with TO at his leisure, and then landings after the initial at other players leisure.

Anyone can enter the war at leisure, so long as it makes sense. (Example: Japan wouldn't have a reason to enter a war between Brazil and Argentina unless it put their car industry under threat.)
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Lans, I thought we agreed the special forces was a no go.

Telo, your post is fine, except that I have two fleets moving in the places you have occupied. The Western fleet is sitting smack dap in the middle of the Irish sea, plus I have the Pirates and my Northern fleet coming down along the Irish coast. Plus, if you put yourself in that position, you lose all means of escape and you will have efficiently cornered yourself.

Also, there are no trenches in a blitzkrieg, my soldiers wouldn't have logically built any.

Same thing with you, Vespery. You have all ignored my other fleets, including NH's pirates.

Sed, why did you have to stoop so low and reject the help? There's no logic behind it, and it just goes to show this is a biased civil war, unlike what you've claimed before.
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I forgot that there were pirates out in sea, but remembered soon after. I edited a short quip about it in my post, so that problem's taken care of. However, I doubt that they would cause major problems. Pirates cause havok for merchant ships, not ships of the line. It has been like that since, well, marine travel and naval warfare were born.

As for your other fleets, I fail to see how I ignored them. From what I've seen in your last post, all of them are in the narrow confines of the Irish Sea (or, at least the ones actually engaging the Venetians, Sperians and English), so therefore, I'm taking them all into account.
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May 11 2010, 12:17 AM
Lans, I thought we agreed the special forces was a no go.
I was going on the assumption that any attempts at capture would fail, since I recall you giving the green light on special forces being within Cardiff to do things. I can retcon the capture goal out if it's a problem to being in there in the first place.
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OOC: I haven't had much time to RP, and I have not discussed my plans in too many details with most people, but I had hoped to conduct certain arrangements with the Papacy when I have the time to RP. But the Pope's blessing of Otto's war may have forced my hand to a certain degree. For the time being, I still won't step in unless my aid is asked for, but I'm strongly considering some kind of movement, OOC.

I have tried to keep up with this war, but I would appreciate it if someone could briefly send me a summary of the events in the war, the sides, and any other relevant current events in the British Isles.
Edited by Rhadamanthus, May 11 2010, 11:58 AM.
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I'm waiting on Porcu, I mean Porcu to reply to our air battle and I kinda need T.O to post in the naval campaign although I could make another post their if entirely necessary. I also have a post for the Russians and possibly the Pope but I'll save them for when I can post more.

An you know RD, this war could be the thing that bring our plan to a head.
Edited by NRE, May 11 2010, 01:32 PM.
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May 11 2010, 11:55 AM
I have tried to keep up with this war, but I would appreciate it if someone could briefly send me a summary of the events in the war, the sides, and any other relevant current events in the British Isles.
William and Otto are fighting, you know that part. William's allies are the English, the Russians, the Venetians, the Sperians, and the Porcuians. Otto's allies are the British, the TO, the Welsh, the HCC, and the Papacy. Otto also has mercenary forces from the bank. Did I forget anyone?

At sea, the TO is pushing the northern Irish fleet back and is currently somewhere north of the British Isles, but close by. Otto's mercenaries are attacking the Irish blockade somewhere near Dublin. The British and Welsh are currently duking it out at the southernmost point of the Irish Sea. The Venetians are in the Irish Sea and assisting William against the mercenaries. The HCC has barely survived an attack by combined forces and is somewhere in the Atlantic, presumably followed by the Irish Atlantic Fleet. I'm not quite sure where the Sperian fleet is, so I won't confuse you with a possibly false location.

On land, William has almost total control of Ireland, with Russian, Venetian, and English troops backing him up. The Porcuians are providing air cover from several bases there as well. On the Welsh-English border, the Welsh attacked and then retreated after fighting with Venetian and English troops for a bit.

I'm not sure if there's anything else, but I think that's it.

EDIT: Vespery, isn't calling on the Venetian and Celtic churches to get involved somewhat redundant? They're already involved. Btw, we should get around to making Sperry's part of the Reformation movement official, IC.
Edited by Telosan, May 11 2010, 02:28 PM.
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Shall the HRE intervene in the war diplomatically?
my previous posts were ignored :(

As for what i have understand the HRE should support William.
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Telosan
May 11 2010, 02:10 PM
At sea, the TO is pushing the northern Irish fleet back and is currently somewhere north of the British Isles, but close by. Otto's mercenaries are attacking the Irish blockade somewhere near Dublin. The British and Welsh are currently duking it out at the southernmost point of the Irish Sea. The Venetians are in the Irish Sea and assisting William against the mercenaries. The HCC has barely survived an attack by combined forces and is somewhere in the Atlantic, presumably followed by the Irish Atlantic Fleet. I'm not quite sure where the Sperian fleet is, so I won't confuse you with a possibly false location.

EDIT: Vespery, isn't calling on the Venetian and Celtic churches to get involved somewhat redundant? They're already involved. Btw, we should get around to making Sperry's part of the Reformation movement official, IC.
The Sperian fleet is in the middle of the southernmost point of the Irish Sea, in between the English fleets to the east and the Venetian fleets to the west. I posted my location in the IC topic, but I guess I was kind of unclear. ^^

And yeah, it's redundant, but it's never really been made "official"; that is, the alliance of the Reformed churches. I could be wrong though. I'll definately have to make a topic that officially marks my entry into the Reformed Catholic Churches, however.
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Vespery
May 11 2010, 12:40 AM
I forgot that there were pirates out in sea, but remembered soon after. I edited a short quip about it in my post, so that problem's taken care of. However, I doubt that they would cause major problems. Pirates cause havok for merchant ships, not ships of the line. It has been like that since, well, marine travel and naval warfare were born.

As for your other fleets, I fail to see how I ignored them. From what I've seen in your last post, all of them are in the narrow confines of the Irish Sea (or, at least the ones actually engaging the Venetians, Sperians and English), so therefore, I'm taking them all into account.
Well, NH's pirates aren't normal pirates, and they have been geared up for war. They even conqered the Faore Islands just a couple of weeks ago, for goodness sake. These pirates have real warships and weapons, not just some puny somalian pirates.


And, if you reread my posts, I currently have my Western Fleet smack dab in the middle of the Irish Sea, waiting untill I give the order to invade and break the blockade.
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May 11 2010, 01:41 AM
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May 11 2010, 12:17 AM
Lans, I thought we agreed the special forces was a no go.
I was going on the assumption that any attempts at capture would fail, since I recall you giving the green light on special forces being within Cardiff to do things. I can retcon the capture goal out if it's a problem to being in there in the first place.
Oh ok, my bad. I thought this was refering to the idea you prposed that would force me out of England.

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I have tried to keep up with this war, but I would appreciate it if someone could briefly send me a summary of the events in the war, the sides, and any other relevant current events in the British Isles.
Lert me tell you the real story. As of now, The Welsh and the HCC are holding off the English, the Sperians, and the Venetians in the southernmost part of the Irish Sea. TO has defeated the Irish fleet up north and is heading down to assist in breaking the blockade. NH's pirates ahve recently conqered the Faore Islands, and are now moving down to help in the fight against the Sperians, Venetians, and the English. Plus, the British, who I am not "duking it out" with, are currently gearing their troops to strike at William's navies in the Irish Sea.
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May 11 2010, 01:31 PM
I'm waiting on Porcu, I mean Porcu to reply to our air battle and I kinda need T.O to post in the naval campaign although I could make another post their if entirely necessary. I also have a post for the Russians and possibly the Pope but I'll save them for when I can post more.

An you know RD, this war could be the thing that bring our plan to a head.
Sincere apologies. I had two exams this week to study for (one I finished tonight and the second tomorrow morning) and wanted to kick off my other RP with Telo (The Art of Living). I will have an IC response up by tomorrow night, promise.
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May 11 2010, 05:38 PM
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May 11 2010, 12:40 AM
I forgot that there were pirates out in sea, but remembered soon after. I edited a short quip about it in my post, so that problem's taken care of. However, I doubt that they would cause major problems. Pirates cause havok for merchant ships, not ships of the line. It has been like that since, well, marine travel and naval warfare were born.

As for your other fleets, I fail to see how I ignored them. From what I've seen in your last post, all of them are in the narrow confines of the Irish Sea (or, at least the ones actually engaging the Venetians, Sperians and English), so therefore, I'm taking them all into account.
Well, NH's pirates aren't normal pirates, and they have been geared up for war. They even conqered the Faore Islands just a couple of weeks ago, for goodness sake. These pirates have real warships and weapons, not just some puny somalian pirates.


And, if you reread my posts, I currently have my Western Fleet smack dab in the middle of the Irish Sea, waiting untill I give the order to invade and break the blockade.
Then they should've designated as "privateers" instead, since that's a much more accurate term. I'll take them into as much consideration as the other bajillion navies that are in the clusterfuck that is the Irish Sea (including your Western Fleet). The point is, me, Venice and England are trying to block off the southern part of the Sea (or at least I am, being in the centre between them and all). Will that succeed? Probably not. But let us make our own actual movements, for Christ's sake.

Also, when did HCC's navy suddenly move so far northeast? The last time NRE posted, it was about fighting Porcuian aircraft, and before that, they were still out in the North Atlantic.
Edited by Hastine, May 11 2010, 07:33 PM.
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May 11 2010, 07:29 PM
Also, when did HCC's navy suddenly move so far northeast? The last time NRE posted, it was about fighting Porcuian aircraft, and before that, they were still out in the North Atlantic.
I don't know about everyone else, but the HCC fleet is moving out into the Atlantic (which was what I posted last if memory serves). The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
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May 11 2010, 04:20 PM
Shall the HRE intervene in the war diplomatically?
my previous posts were ignored :(

As for what i have understand the HRE should support William.
Both Sed and I responded to your post, Filo.

Maybe we should have everyone restate where their forces are here so we can make sure everyone's on the same page. Venice's fleet in IN the Irish Sea, just southwest of Mann and covering the eastern coast of Ireland, fighting the bank-funded mercenaries.
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May 11 2010, 08:12 PM
The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
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May 11 2010, 08:42 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
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May 11 2010, 09:15 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
:evil:
If you touch Rome, the TO would utterly destroy you. And you know I could.
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May 11 2010, 09:38 PM
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May 11 2010, 08:42 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
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If you touch Rome, the TO would utterly destroy you. And you know I could.
I've got Roman protection :lol: . Possibly Russian, but I'm not sure. Maybe sometime in the future.

This is turning into another continent-wide war.
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May 11 2010, 09:46 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
:evil:
If you touch Rome, the TO would utterly destroy you. And you know I could.
I've got Roman protection :lol: . Possibly Russian, but I'm not sure. Maybe sometime in the future.

This is turning into another continent-wide war.
Well, if Sed's Otto changes tune a bit, perhaps you'll have British forces on your hide as well.

That said, I'm a bit confused by Otto ignoring decisive support. Is Sed entirely dooming any hope of him having a fair fight?
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Otto hates British people. He hates anything British, as far as I can tell, after all, he went into Wales to fight the British despite the war being over. It's just the way Sed likes to portray Otto IC, I think.
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May 11 2010, 08:42 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
I don't think you guys get RD's point. The Roman Empire hasn't even stepped in yet, and if they choose to, they have a reason right there to siege Rome. The Romans are a huge factor in this war, even if they don't intervene till Ireland is overrun. You guys need to think what is best for yourselves politically. The Romans haven't intervened yet because they don't want a war with the Genesian states at the time (so far as I know).

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Sed, why did you have to stoop so low and reject the help? There's no logic behind it, and it just goes to show this is a biased civil war, unlike what you've claimed before.


How is that stooping low? This is roleplaying. Why the hell would Otto, who hates the British so much he launched an attack on them after the Welsh-Scottish war was over, allow British troops into Ireland? That's the last thing an Irish patriot would do, which is what Otto sees himself as (even if he is half-German). I just did what Otto would logically do. This isn't going to lose the war for him. If anything, it'll gain more support from the people.

I've actually been making plenty of plans for if Otto does win. Obviously the war will continue.

Anyways, I'm not trying to cut Toussaint out. I'd like him to be in the RP. But I don't see how he can fit in as an ally of either side. I'd think that with Ireland in civil war this would be the best time to war with the Republic, though I know Lans doesn't want to lose his Republic just yet. Also, keep in mind that if Otto does win, he's going to cast hungry eyes over Britannia, and he'll possibly still have that Genesian support, depending on what they want to do.

EDIT: Everything said, I didn't see the Pope had approved Britain's entrance into the alliance. I guess I could edit my post, but let's talk this over first. Even if the Pope did support Britain's entrance, Otto would still be hard pressed to keep them out of Ireland.
Edited by Sedulius, May 11 2010, 10:54 PM.
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Rhadamanthus
May 11 2010, 08:42 PM
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The air force however (using a base in Rome) has launched an air attack currently fighting over Ireland.
Is that really a good idea? It makes Rome a potential military target; do you want to take that risk?
Well it wasn't the Pope's idea, it was the HCC and they would ultimately be held responsible if Rome became a target. Plus, give what we've discussed about Rome, if Rome became a target it would create the perfect environment for the Genesians and the Romans to talk.

Not entirely how I saw it going down of course, but it does kind of make things fall into place a bit nicer :lol:
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