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OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War
Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,384 Views)
Rhadamanthus
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Porcu
Apr 11 2010, 05:03 PM
Sed (or William should I say) should be careful in not calling this a Holy War, otherwise I will be retracting my support. Porcuians in general, and Nixon specifically, are not too receptive to religion and are not keen on fighting a religious war. FYI, all it will take is an affirmation by William that he is fighting on his people's behalf, i.e. against the totalitarian and repressive Otto. There's lots of ways you could phrase that.

Also, in looking over and updating my military page (please look and comment (but not there) :D ) I would like to slowly establish myself as aeronautical power, at the forefront of aerial research, training, development and, of course, fighting. I see this conflict as a good opportunity to set that goal in motion.
If it were a Holy War, it would not be so on William's behalf, but on Otto's. Surely the Porcuians would not be averse to defending the Irish people against a Holy War waged by a religion known specifically for fanaticism?
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Telosan
Apr 11 2010, 05:13 PM
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Apr 11 2010, 04:59 PM
Except for the Bank. The bank just wants profit and is fully willing to help both sides out at the same time. So if anyone on the anti-Otto faction would be willing to accept the bank's help, just tell me. :lol: :D
I seem to remember, almost two years ago now, when I was fighting in the Espanoran War and fought on both sides at one point, and you told me that that was a bad idea...
The Bank keeps its accounts confidential, so it is unlikely that anyone would ever discover that they were contracting with both sides. In any case, think of the Bank as someone selling a service, not as a participant - two rival gangs might use guns from the same manufacturer, but a gang member had better not try helping both at the same time!
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Hey RD, is the Empire going to get involved in this at all?
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Atticus,

Of the powers that Telosan listed on the previous page, the Empire has a formal alliance with Venice, and customary (and very strong) ties of friendship with the Irish monarchy and Russia, is the liege lord of Alexanderhaven, and has good relations with Porcu. However, the Empire has no quarrel with the Genesian nations, and (it must be remembered) hosts a personal representative of the Genesian papacy in Constantinople. So:

1) The Empire has strong incentives to side with William's coalition, because that is where its closest allies are, but does not want to unnecessarily antagonize the Genesian powers.

2) The Empire will only get involved if requested to do so, or if provoked into doing so.

3) If involved in the war, the Empire will seek to keep the war a limited war consigned to Ireland, and will not pursue an enemy power within its homeland, unless, once again, provoked to do so.


After, writing this, I realized that that list did not include Wales, England, or Great Britain, and any of you may be involved, but I think that the basic analysis still stands. Let me know if you think there is something else that I should consider.
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Rhadamanthus
Apr 11 2010, 05:22 PM
Porcu
Apr 11 2010, 05:03 PM
Sed (or William should I say) should be careful in not calling this a Holy War, otherwise I will be retracting my support. Porcuians in general, and Nixon specifically, are not too receptive to religion and are not keen on fighting a religious war. FYI, all it will take is an affirmation by William that he is fighting on his people's behalf, i.e. against the totalitarian and repressive Otto. There's lots of ways you could phrase that.

Also, in looking over and updating my military page (please look and comment (but not there) :D ) I would like to slowly establish myself as aeronautical power, at the forefront of aerial research, training, development and, of course, fighting. I see this conflict as a good opportunity to set that goal in motion.
If it were a Holy War, it would not be so on William's behalf, but on Otto's. Surely the Porcuians would not be averse to defending the Irish people against a Holy War waged by a religion known specifically for fanaticism?
My, you have a way with words. Alright then, Porcu shall defend the Irish people against a most intolerant and fanatic religion. :lol:
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I think other's are looking at it as a holy war, but the High King is just trying to restore order in Ireland. This isn't about religion to him. William is far less radical than Stiofan was. (Hell, William might as well be a damn communist. He has a hot socialist wife, his people are the 5th happiest in Europe, income equality for Ireland in Europe is the 3rd best... Kind of ironic that he'll be going autocratic in the end, but the people will it.)
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I know there is a lot of OOC discussion going on. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I feel I need to restate this point of clarity. The (Irish) Royal Navy has been more or less deployed since this war broke out. I know that hasn't been absolutely clear from the IC posts. It would have been doing virtually all blockade and surface superiority operations before the Venetians arrived. It has no less than 32 aircraft carriers/amphibious assault ships and the equivalent vessels in each category that are allowed by that number. It is completely controlled by High King William. I'm only restating this to be absolutely clear that the blockades and fleets around Ireland are nowhere even close to being a pushover. Right now, this is more a naval war than a land war.

But don't worry, we will have quite a land war when the Genesians finally do break through. I'm going to start on an IC post now, which may take a while. I should really write a paper, but I owe it to you guys not to keep you waiting.
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It's not HCH? Where did I get 'hegemony' from?
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Apr 11 2010, 08:24 PM
It's not HCH? Where did I get 'hegemony' from?
'cause it used to be called that at one point.

They also used to have a pagan religion that worshipped Mary - that is useful in countering Genesian propaganda ;)
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When did it used to be called that? I thought it was a relatively new country.
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Apr 11 2010, 08:40 PM
When did it used to be called that? I thought it was a relatively new country.
I think he got rid of it for a while and then revived it, which may be why you think it is new. In fact, it is derived over time from Neo-Macedonia, a country NRE started fairly early in his time on the forum.
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HCH himself isn't really around anymore. I remember he did a very brief stint as Wales last time he was on. We were allies.
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I must've been reading through old posts and mixed up the timeframe. Did this old HCH collapse after a whole big governmental virus/lets-kill-everyone conspiracy thing? I think that's what I'm thinking of.

EDIT: You're thinking of Holy Catholic Imperium, right?
Edited by Telosan, Apr 11 2010, 08:54 PM.
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Probably. Too many Holy Catholic things.

Heads up. On the post I'm about to make I will clarify the sizes of my fleets, their deployments, and their orders. I only have five types of ships, Aircraft Carriers, Amphibious Assault Ships, Mine Ships, Submarines, and Dreadnoughts. Dreadnoughts make up the bulk of my fleet and serve a wide array of purposes. They are the equivalents of cruisers, destroyers, and frigates. So, don't be alarmed when you see their numbers.

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Sedulius
Apr 11 2010, 09:15 PM
They are the equivalents of cruisers, destroyers, and frigates.
Combined?

If so, then that's bad.
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Apr 11 2010, 09:18 PM
Sedulius
Apr 11 2010, 09:15 PM
They are the equivalents of cruisers, destroyers, and frigates.
Combined?

If so, then that's bad.
He uses them instead of those, personally I think they sink just like any other ship.
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Well, that's a downfall for him then. Cruisers, frigates, and destroyers all have different specialization. If you have have a ship that combines all 3 of them, then it wont be as specialized for every role, thus sending to an average role, not good at particularly anything, but not bad at anything either. Think of a fighter jet v. a fighter/bomber jet.
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Combined abilities, yes. Combined power, no. Each ship is powerful and versatile, better than the average cruiser or destroyer, but not immensely so. Note that the math is not exact. I'm actually taking less ships than I'm allowed to compensate for the power of the ships.

On a side note, I don't know why we still have frigates listed as submarine hunters and for shooting down planes. All warships have AA, and destroyers are supposed to hunt subs. Frigates are pursuit ships.

EDIT: After seeing the posts while I was typing this, note the dreadnoughts are quite above average. They specialize in ship to ship combat, and they can hunt subs and shoot down aircraft just fine. They're modern warships after all.
Edited by Sedulius, Apr 11 2010, 09:31 PM.
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Apr 11 2010, 09:20 PM
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Apr 11 2010, 09:18 PM
Sedulius
Apr 11 2010, 09:15 PM
They are the equivalents of cruisers, destroyers, and frigates.
Combined?

If so, then that's bad.
He uses them instead of those, personally I think they sink just like any other ship.
:lol:
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Apr 11 2010, 09:28 PM
Combined abilities, yes. Combined power, no. Each ship is powerful and versatile, better than the average cruiser or destroyer, but not immensely so. Note that the math is not exact. I'm actually taking less ships than I'm allowed to compensate for the power of the ships.

On a side note, I don't know why we still have frigates listed as submarine hunters and for shooting down planes. All warships have AA, and destroyers are supposed to hunt subs. Frigates are pursuit ships.

EDIT: After seeing the posts while I was typing this, note the dreadnoughts are quite above average. They specialize in ship to ship combat, and they can hunt subs and shoot down aircraft just fine. They're modern warships after all.
In modern terms, dreadnoughts are obsolete. They are much to big, and just make for larger targets for missiles. A cruiser would have no problem taking it down. The "bigger is better" thing doesn't really apply in a modern sense for naval warfare. There's a reason they are no longer produced in any modern military, much like the battleship.

But if you want, use them. I'm just trying to help you. Its a big flaw that will hurt ou in many naval battles.
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Well its not a dreadnought in the historical sense of the word. But Sed has some fetish for EMP weapons, and he uses these as naval platforms
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Apr 11 2010, 08:53 PM
I must've been reading through old posts and mixed up the timeframe. Did this old HCH collapse after a whole big governmental virus/lets-kill-everyone conspiracy thing? I think that's what I'm thinking of.
Yeah I had decided to kill off the nation, and killed it off through a plague story. I left it dead I think for about a month or so and then decided to resurrect it. So though this is a second incarnation, its technically an old nation. Its actually the oldest NS account I have, with the Eastern Empire being second oldest.

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They also used to have a pagan religion that worshipped Mary - that is useful in countering Genesian propaganda ;)

Yeah :lol: the Marinite Church....good times :P
Edited by NRE, Apr 11 2010, 09:48 PM.
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Apr 11 2010, 09:46 PM
Well its not a dreadnought in the historical sense of the word. But Sed has some fetish for EMP weapons, and he uses these as naval platforms
An EMP fetish? Seems like a waste of time. I think the bigger the explosion and more fire and destruction, the better. So what if there's not electricity? A match and gunpowder still works fine.
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Apr 11 2010, 09:46 PM
Well its not a dreadnought in the historical sense of the word. But Sed has some fetish for EMP weapons, and he uses these as naval platforms
I thought you had to have permission for all players to use RAMT weapons.
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Apr 11 2010, 09:48 PM
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Apr 11 2010, 09:46 PM
Well its not a dreadnought in the historical sense of the word. But Sed has some fetish for EMP weapons, and he uses these as naval platforms
I thought you had to have permission for all players to use RAMT weapons.
Didn't we go through this already?
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