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| OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,369 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 04:58 PM Post #426 |
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For the duration of Wales and Scotland, I have been continuing the 8 billion account. |
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 04:59 PM Post #427 |
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Nvm, then. It's still up to Porcu, however. He can shift the tide in whatever direction he wants. As it is, we have 5 billion more though. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 05:01 PM Post #428 |
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I believe Porcu only wanted limited involvement, just with his air force. |
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| Telosan | Jun 14 2010, 05:05 PM Post #429 |
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Porcu's in Italy for a few weeks. I don't think he'll be able to get online at all. Besides, didn't he sign a non-aggression pact with the TO? Shouldn't they both be withdrawing? |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 05:07 PM Post #430 |
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No, they're only not going to fight each other, that's all. |
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 05:13 PM Post #431 |
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Aye, just as I've only declared war on England and Venice, and have a non-aggression pact with Porcu. |
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| Toussaint | Jun 14 2010, 05:37 PM Post #432 |
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Moi aussi. |
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| Sedulius | Jun 14 2010, 05:39 PM Post #433 |
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1.) As far as qualities, I hadn't ever thought of applying the 5x quality to equipment. Sorry for the misconception. I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you. That being the case, I suppose I have normal equipment on land, sea, and air, excluding my elite forces. I still find it ridiculous that you are essentially trying to find ways to not give me a chance. I'm just trying to level the playing field. 2.) Porcu as far as I had gathered was basically out of the conflict in Ireland. 3.) The Romans might not enter the conflict in Ireland. That's up to RD. 4.) You're forgetting the Russians are still involved in Ireland and may send more forces. 5.) ABOVE ALL, you keep on reducing it to numbers. Real war is not about numbers, but strategy and tactics. Numbers help, but they are not the overriding factor. Otherwise the US would have lost terribly in Iraq and Afghanistan. Granted, the Us had superior training and equipment against inferior training and equipment. In the case of this Irish conflict, the bulk of my remaining force has elite training and superior equipment, is in a well entrenched position with powerful fortresses and good AA and artillery positions. Maybe I have normal quality air and navy (though actually the quality of the navy is debatable if you crunch the numbers. Those dreadnoughts would come out as higher than normal quality), but guns are guns. I have a large naval force every bit as capable of shelling your high quality forces to oblivion as they have to missile me to oblivion. But anyways, I'm getting rather annoyed with this. I guess my overall point is that this is about the RP. This is about fun. Many players choose not to be extra-extra detailed about their equipment for better freedom in RP. I am as such. If you want me to draft a full description of my military all numbers crunched and all equipment described, I will, but it'll take a while, and honestly it's asking a bit much. I'm tired. |
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| Aelius | Jun 14 2010, 05:47 PM Post #434 |
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I thought Porcu left instructions to infer that the Luftwaffe was passively involved in favor of William, largely against Welsh (and possibly British) forces.
Edited by Aelius, Jun 21 2010, 11:53 AM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 05:55 PM Post #435 |
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:rolleyes: |
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 06:04 PM Post #436 |
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Sed, I'm not trying to make it seem that way. I am not involved in Ireland beyond a general task of keeping the seas free. I simply took issue with your statement that I was not a match for your navy. I will engage your forces is fired upon, or if you enter to the Irish Sea, but otherwise leave you alone. I am engaged in the story you want to tell. I also want to tell me own. Our stories are not mutually exclusive. I am merely presenting the figures on which to base the RP, specifically, the naval and air war component. I would like a victory on the seas, if possible. I've had dreadfully few in my time on this forum. OOC: Reading that again, the many grammatical mistakes betray my sobriety. :lol: Edited by Union, Jun 14 2010, 06:05 PM.
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| Menhad | Jun 14 2010, 06:46 PM Post #437 |
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I really wish I knew the war would be like this, then I wouldn't have gotten involved. At this point the TO has two options: 1. Leave Ireland. I'm not leaving defeated, and if I do leave, then I'm razing your cities and exterminating your population on the way out. 2. Fight till I conquer the bloody place. ANY Government I put in place would be viewed by the world as a TO puppet. Neither one I like, but I'm going to get some revenge for being put in this position :dry: . Oh and I'm at 11 billion people now. **** Also about the armor, your armor is RAMT, even if it's not powered. Mine is based off of stuff used as body armor today (Kevlar vest, Boron Carbide plates) and I still consider it borderline RAMT. Yours is based off of old technology, if you want to call it RAOT (Radical Application of Outdated Technology) go ahead, but it still the same thing as RAMT to me. Also, my post was referring to the MP7, a PDW. Not all knights, or standard infantry, equip them selves with small PDWs (Although the MP7 has high armor piercing capabilities for a PDW, I will admit). Unless your armor is several inches thick I don't think it will stop armor piercing rounds, much less a .50 cal (Or .50 cal armor piercing round). |
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| Telosan | Jun 14 2010, 08:04 PM Post #438 |
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Okay, I'm going to assume Sed has given me permission to use the knights. Menhad, is it okay for me to liberate a somewhat minor garrison of Irish knights at a medium-sized castle? I'll post casualties, but say that fatalities are much lower than there would've been had regular soldiers attempted the liberation. Fair? EDIT: Also, Sed, who leads the Knights of St Patrick? Maybe I can get him out of a castle, too. Gran Maestro Participazio could have an interesting conversation with him. Or maybe just battle side by side. Edited by Telosan, Jun 14 2010, 08:05 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 08:11 PM Post #439 |
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This RP has gone from this:To this: To this:
This war is never going to end. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 14 2010, 08:15 PM Post #440 |
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Honestly, open-ended wars are hard to end in a game that is built on consensual outcomes. One of the reasons I've been reluctant to enter this story is the seeming lack of any basic idea of where this should end up. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 08:17 PM Post #441 |
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This entire RP is a non sequitur. |
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| Menhad | Jun 14 2010, 09:55 PM Post #442 |
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Yeah, I'm fine with what your planning, but I don't want to hear reports of "bullets pinging off armor". EDIT: To Telo, see what I said to Sed, what do I get in return? Because I want to have some fun too. Sed I understand your statements of "This is my war and I want it to go my way", but you have to be willing to give a little. You get your Irish Victory, but what's in it for the TO? Wales/Scotland? Britain? Venice? Sperry? Why participate when there is nothing in it for us? You could have just kept this small, just you RPing both sides, nothing but a good story. But you allowed us in, and now you have to deal with us before we leave. You knew full well that the TO is a very powerful state, you could have said "No thanks I don't want to be swamped" and I would have been fine with that. I would have worked out a deal to support Otto without sending in troops. But now I'm on the Emerald Isle, and it will take a lot to push me off. Which leads me to this point, your trench idea, yeah with The TO&CO controlling the Ocean (Mostly) I can land behind your lines, effectively cutting them off. I sent half my navy and a little under half of my Army. I personally think The Iraq War and African Offshoot of The Iraq War are pretty good examples of how well an RP can go (In the Iraq War I am mainly referring to the Menhad vs Al Qalaa parts) Edited by Menhad, Jun 14 2010, 11:29 PM.
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| NRE | Jun 14 2010, 11:52 PM Post #443 |
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I apologize for not following this story more closely and I do intend to get back once I have a chance to read, catchup, digest, and see where my participation needs to be taken. That all said, given that this story does seem to be taking a mind of its own (if I'm wrong, then please disregard these statements) I think its safe to remind people of the quote above because I think it illistrates a very, very good point about war (in general) when it comes to our little world. Not everyone can win. In fact, its actually very helpful when people set aside pride in their created nations and agree to take the fall when it makes the best sense in a story. Also, don't think that losing will automatically peg your nation as a weaker state in your region. Case in point=The Eastern Empire of Asia. To date, the Empire has won very few of the military conflicts its been involved with and has actually been invaded and crushed. Yet, somehow this hasn't not tarnished the reputation of the Empire as being a strong military power within Asia. So as this war seems to be getting a little messy (again if I'm mistaken, disregard these statements. I've only briefly looked over the entire story that has thus far developed plus a few comments here and there from this thread. From what I've seen it looks like these may be a little chaotic, thus my reasons for writing this statement) I do ask people to remember that in the end there will be winners and there will be losers but so long as a good story is told..no one truly loses...accept for maybe me, cause I hardly ever win a war :lol: :P Oh and be flexible, that also helps good stories! |
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| Menhad | Jun 14 2010, 11:59 PM Post #444 |
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Yeah I never said anything about everybody being winners, but everybody should walk away kinda happy. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 15 2010, 12:09 AM Post #445 |
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Ehh, I've stopped caring and I've started pumping out posts. I suggest you guys all do the same. |
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| Sedulius | Jun 15 2010, 02:38 AM Post #446 |
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This is ridiculous. I started this war for the forum. I let everyone in who wanted a piece of the action. Hell, I even made nice with Atticus. I just want to be able to bring my country out of this war in the way I wanted to bring it out. No one can force me to do otherwise. Look, what the hell do you guys want? I'm just trying to conduct a war according to my playstyle, which involves trench warfare, artillery duels, knights, and older style naval battles. I've been creative as I can to get it to work in the modern era. I'd think some people would appreciate creativity on here, but I guess not. I never was shooting for some total victory. I was never even shooting for a win. I just crunched the situation and RPed what I logically thought would happen. No one tried to save Otto, hence he died. The British invaded, Ireland united. This is pretty simple stuff. And then everyone acts as if wars are fought by missiles and aircraft, that artillery is useless, that for some reason no matter what ground and sea maneuvers and tactics are used, they cannot win against superior numbers or equipment. If people aren't willing to just backdown and work together on this thing, then I see no reason for it to continue. -------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT:
It mandated its own thread (Scaling Down) as it deals mostly with matters not of this war. These are my plans laid out in full. I'm sure we come to reasonable agreements and have this as the outcome. However, I'm not going to be screwed over unrealistically. 'This' pwns 'this' is unrealistic, and I won't abide it. I'm willing to lose at sea so long as it is believably done. I'm willing for the trench lines and fortresses to be broken so long as it is believably done. I am not willing for my knights to be cut down as if they are some common soldiers. They will fight to the death in their full capability. Their leaders are veterans of the Dominion Wars, and their members have years upon years of the best training available. Their armor is the best, having been the product of decades of development. To debase my knights is simply insulting. If they are to be beaten, they are to be beaten with respect. All that said, consider there are several players on my side of the conflict that also have interests, that also don't want to lose. I've told you what I want. You guys can sort it out between yourselves. ------------------------------------------------------- EDIT 2: Atticus, I applaud you on that Dublin Castle post. That is bloody roleplay. That is the kind of stuff I want to see. That is something I can respond to. Edited by Sedulius, Jun 15 2010, 03:27 AM.
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| Union | Jun 15 2010, 10:30 AM Post #447 |
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Why do you believe that we wouldn't roleplay? To roleplay effectively, however, we need to know what the end-result is generally going to be. The Union is not involved in Ireland. We will fight Venetian and Sperian naval forces if necessary, and maintain a blockade over Galicia, and eventually, Ireland itself. The blockades will end when the war itself ends. I would like to maintain a naval facility in Swansea at the conclusion of the war, housing a few thousand men, a dozen ships, a radar station, and a cruise missile storage facility. Sed wants to unify Ireland, and have his election. TO wants a Genesian state. Atticus does as well to a degree. Let's discuss where we're going, and come to a consensus. |
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| Menhad | Jun 15 2010, 10:54 AM Post #448 |
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I'm fine with not getting this, but I do want some fun burning and what not.
This. I was mislead early on, or just left to my own devices. In that case I'm going to do what I want to do. But give me an endgame, and I will work towards it.
While this may be fun for you, I joined a modern RP forum for a reason, to fight modern wars (With guns and what not). Also, until some one makes that suit of armor and test it, I will classify it as RAMT. I know it sounds like I'm saying the armor is pointless. I didn't, I just don't believe that bullets would harmlessly ping off the armor. Yes it might stop some rounds, but not stop the kinetic force they will impart, nor stop penetration rounds. I am willing to have some melee duels, but I don't want that to be the only way to kill them. Artillery, I said immobile artillery would be destroyed in a day, note the immobile part. Mobile artillery is still very effective in modern combat (Thus all the development in Self-Propelled Artillery). Listen, Kas like to be creative, and use lots of super-weapons. I, for one, was sick of that part alone. Edited by Menhad, Jun 15 2010, 12:13 PM.
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| Telosan | Jun 15 2010, 01:50 PM Post #449 |
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Venice is hoping for a democratic-monarchist hybrid Ireland with William at its head. Since William was already leading towards democracy, but showing no signs of abolishing his office as king, this means that Venice just wants an Ireland led by William O'Siadhail. EDIT: Nice, Atticus. Wasn't expecting that. What will happen with the mercs? How would I be able to get out of this without my fleet actually surrendering? I'd like my navy to maintain a clean record. EDIT 2: Venetian forces are completely gone from the British Isles, with the exception of the Knights of Saint Mark, who's presence is not known to anyone but the Knights of Saint Patrick. I'll get to them in my next post, once I figure out who the leader of the Knights is and which castle I'm attacking. Edited by Telosan, Jun 15 2010, 02:23 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 15 2010, 06:34 PM Post #450 |
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This is unfair. Several days before you killed him, I made it clear that was unable to commit at the time; I was busy. In fact, a week had gone by from my last before you killed Otto. All I want in this RP is to see another successor from Otto. We were all waiting for this. We were told this was an open-ended war. We were mislead. We don't want William to be King, or even in power. We should have left when Otto died. But we stayed, in hopes you would continue the storyline and at least throw in a successor. Nothing came. Also Sed: This simply does not follow. The Cornish never breached the main chamber: It never happened. I have had the entire city practically surrounded. You were the one who told me to go and help liberate King Fitz. I even set up a meeting between my general and the King; he would have never even heard of any news of the British invasion. Also, the amnesty came after I had set up the meeting. None of your post is logical. I honestly believe that you are purposely trying to prevent us from accomplishing our goals. |
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