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| OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,370 Views) | |
| Sedulius | Jun 13 2010, 02:18 PM Post #401 |
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Okay, analysis complete. The war didn't go as out of hand as I had thought. It seems my last OOC post goes along with it just fine. That said, I read TO's post of starving the fortresses, which is exactly what would be needed, but remember artillery. An artillery duel would be being fought at the fortresses besieged. You would need to entrench. What I'm going to do now is call my allies to pull back and form trenchlines, connected by the forts (or further back depending on how far TO may have advanced), thus regrouping the forces to give organized resistance. This will begin a new stage in the war. I will also make a public statement more or less showing Ireland as united in this struggle. A British invasion was unwanted by both sides in the civil war, and with such an invasion, the Irish stand united. The big debate in my mind is can this be won for my side without further allied support? It is possible. The Irish Navy still has most of its ships, and even if it is outnumbered, it is still a force to be reckoned with. At least half of the Knights of Saint Patrick are still around, and along with the Knights of Saint Mark and the Knights of Saint George, they can still put out more than just resistance. The parliamentary military is still mostly intact, and would be the force directing the building of trenchlines and placements of artillery. It is the native forces and mercenaries of the Kings that were highly destroyed, which comprised a large amount of Ireland's military power. The civilians of Ireland would also be fiercely resisting any foreign occupation, whether Teuton, Welsh, Scottish, or British. That said, the scales are definitely tipped in favor of the Teutonic-British Alliance, both in numbers and initiative. They have a higher chance of winning. What I need to know is what the Roman reaction would be at this point. I'll PM RD if he doesn't respond here first (I'll be making an IC post, while chowing down on breakfast/lunch). ----- As to the armor on my knights, I have always said that .50 cals have a chance of killing them, and if you really want to drop them, use a 20 mm. Artillery is also very effective. But the funnest way is to get down to a knitty-gritty melee. That said, the armor is thick titanium plate armor with an underlying carbon fiber bodysuit, which provides padding and other resistances. I'm more than sure it could take a .50 cal. I've actually figured out it is practical without being powered. Titanium is lighter yet stronger than steel, as is carbon fiber. Hence a suit just as heavy as old Gothic plate would be thicker and far more protective. A fully armored modern knight is a possibility that could be utilized effectively, but one can always counter them with explosives and large enough guns. But of course, I like to be fair and not breach rules, so the knights are killable by .50 cals, but only by well-placed shots or several shots. Also, remember that even the greatest knight can be surrounded, pulled off his horse, and beaten to death by a mob of peasants, something most games have yet to take into account. EDIT: That said, I see TO's post was directed at Telo actually, though it was concerning my armor. I'm not sure which versions I sold Telo. If it was Mk II suits, those suits have far more weakspots. Mk IV suits (which my knight-brothers are equipped with) are the streamlined final product of decades of research (though there is a Mk V, which my leaders wear). Edited by Sedulius, Jun 13 2010, 02:22 PM.
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| Telosan | Jun 13 2010, 02:32 PM Post #402 |
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And I doubt every Teutonic knight has an M2 on hand. Sure, heavy explosives, any artillery/tank round, etc, would do the knights in, but the infantry should have some difficulty taking them down. I've no doubt that there would be tons of injuries, but death wouldn't be quite so common. When it comes to melee, the knights have a great advantage because of their armor. A rifle or knife would have difficulty doing much, whereas a sword made with modern materials would be very effective against the poor bastard in the khakis. Also, the shields are supposed to be blast resistant. They'll hold up to a grenade, provided the wearer can make himself small enough to hide behind it. I'd like to be able to claim that the shield could save the life of a knight from a tank round (though the knight would be gravely injured), but I don't know if that's practical in any way. Sed, I need IC permission to get in and help your knights. I've talked to RD and he doesn't really have much time. As a result of a Venetian-Roman treaty a while back, I managed to get his help if/when the Union attacks, but I don't know what he'll do, if anything, in regards to Ireland. If/when the Union attacks Venice, I'd be RPing the Roman troops in addition to my own, so I don't think he really has the time to do much of anything. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 13 2010, 02:44 PM Post #403 |
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Isn't it considered RAMT? |
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| Union | Jun 13 2010, 03:12 PM Post #404 |
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It is OK if both players agree to it. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 13 2010, 03:16 PM Post #405 |
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Also, what of Otto's Alliance? |
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| Sedulius | Jun 13 2010, 03:54 PM Post #406 |
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Power-armor is considered RAMT. If I made it not power-armor, which I'm considering doing (for the sake of not having to deal with silly RAMT), then it would not be RAMT. That's why I explained it could work practically without being powered. Otto's Alliance is done completely after I make my next post. Which you will have to wait for. You see, I was making a nice map for Ireland showing important towns, the fortress locations, and trenchlines. Took a while, what with researching geography and what not. But, being that my computer has a faulty video card, it crashes much of the time when I save certain files. So, frustration being a problem now, I need a rest so as to make a good post and map later. Luckily I didn't get far into the actual post. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 13 2010, 04:02 PM Post #407 |
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What? You're just going to kill it? Then what's the point of the RP? Our goal is to establish the Genesian rule. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 13 2010, 04:13 PM Post #408 |
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OOC: The point of the RP is to tell the story of the Irish Civil War and the events that arose as a result of it. |
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| Aelius | Jun 13 2010, 10:34 PM Post #409 |
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Genesian rule could still theoretically happen, if the Romans do not directly interfere. EDIT: Also, the Irish War is incredibly important to future RPs in the twilight of the Republic. Edited by Aelius, Jun 13 2010, 10:34 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 13 2010, 10:40 PM Post #410 |
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Yeah true. It just feels like this shifted away from its main focus. Though I guess it could be pulled off. But the way I see it, the players who entered for Otto, and hoped for Otto to win, are going to eventually lose. Now that the Irish united, there probably wont be a fight for the crown, and William will most likely be King. But that's all if's I guess. Doesn't really matter much though. C'mon people! Let's get on this. This needs to move forward. |
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| Menhad | Jun 13 2010, 11:37 PM Post #411 |
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No, but if the Knights where besieging a fortress then there would be plenty of them sitting around.
I will admit Wikipedia might be wrong, but come on. Your armor would have to be pretty thick, thus making your guys as slow as hell and that's just a MP7. Mine are pretty slow too, but I think they would do better than yours in a 40.
This was how places like Fort St. Elmo where taken, but they didn't have Planes or Cruise missiles back then. All immobile artillery would be destroyed in a day. Especially since I have air superiority and naval superiority (Not sure about land, but it's close either way). Edited by Menhad, Jun 14 2010, 12:42 AM.
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| Sedulius | Jun 14 2010, 02:37 AM Post #412 |
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1.6 mm of titanium is nothing. I'm not surprised it could be penetrated. I'd like to know how thick the 20 layers of kevlar are. I know a 7.62x54R and equivalents can go right through a k-pot helmet, so I'm not impressed. You need to think of old gothic armor. The stuff was made of steel, usually weighed around 80 lbs altogether, I'd say the thickness was around 2.5 millimeters. You can effectively somersault, cartwheel, and certainly do any combat maneuver with ease in this armor. I've worn transitional plate which is of less quality and lose not a bit of speed. Now think of how much thicker the titanium armor could be due to its lightweight, and add in the further protection of the extremely lightweight carbon-fiber padding, which is several times the strength of steel, and you might understand just how protective this armor is. If I wanted to be RAMT and make it power armor, which was the original idea, then you could make the armor as thick as you wanted, and actually have heightened speed and strength. Exoskeleton technology is amazing, it's just getting a good enough power source for it is the trick. Synthetic muscle is perhaps more practical, requiring less energy consumption, though putting out less strength. As to the fortress, you have the land superiority, but I'd say only with your allies do you have naval and air superiority. The Irish Navy is still at large, and with it a large air force. I also think you underestimate field artillery and trenches, as well as antiaircraft. Cruise missiles can be shot down. The fortress artillery is in a series of bunker-tower-starfort-sort-of-things. I wish I had a scanner to flesh out some designs on here. Think of what would need to be done to make a fortress practical in the modern age. You would need to ensure it had protected artillery so it could dominate the area around it, and sufficient anti-aircraft against bombers and missiles and the like. It would be quite a thing to come up against. Look, my style of play is unconventional to say the least. I attempt to force modern forces into confrontations they are not used to, those of older times, in combination with guerrilla warfare. I'm outgunned by any of the vets, so I have to come up with creative ways to fight you guys. Look at my very first war. I was using modified WWII equipment alongside EMP. And that war turned out fine, though it never actually was ended. Anyways, I discussion will continue as needed. ----- EDIT: Also, because this is now a conventional war in the sense of forum rules, we need to end the open endedness. Coordination between players is a must. It is my wish to drive the invaders out of Ireland and establish a (somewhat) new system of government. William won't necessarily end up being High King when said government is set up. On another note, it's really bothering me that people are saying Otto Siadhail. O'Siadhail is his last name guys. It's the O'Siadhail clan. They are the Ui Siadhail. I say House Siadhail because it seems redundant to basically be saying House of the sons of Siadhal. Irish names are complex... just remember to use that O. Edited by Sedulius, Jun 14 2010, 02:45 AM.
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 10:04 AM Post #413 |
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Without Roman involvement, however, your air force and navy are outclassed, especially so in Eastern and Southern Ireland. The Union plan is to engage and combat the Venetian fleet, and upon success, establish a blockade of Ireland. How such a move would hamper the supplies you can receive will limit the operations you can conduct in your retaking of Ireland. |
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| New Harumf | Jun 14 2010, 12:03 PM Post #414 |
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Just claim the armor is made of Mithryl!! |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 02:31 PM Post #415 |
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Plus me, Union, To, and Tou could easily hold out against the Romans. |
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| Sedulius | Jun 14 2010, 02:51 PM Post #416 |
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How the hell are my navy and air outclassed? I can see outnumbered, but my navy and air is state of the art, so not outclassed. Haven't you guys considered superior strategy and tactics in the mix? It's not all about numbers you know. To act as if I am completely helpless without the Romans is ridiculous. And Atticus, if the Romans do intervene with a considerable amount of force, we'll be on pretty equal footing. Also consider you guys have invaded IRELAND. Occupation isn't exactly something they take kindly to. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 03:11 PM Post #417 |
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So our ours. They're just as advanced as yours. In the end, the combination of the To, British, Welsh, and Union navies, even if you did have superior strategy, would ultimately prevail. Should we count the numbers. |
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| Menhad | Jun 14 2010, 03:18 PM Post #418 |
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I, alone, could almost defeat the Romans. Edited by Menhad, Jun 14 2010, 03:18 PM.
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| Aelius | Jun 14 2010, 03:18 PM Post #419 |
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Union, Atticus's blitz pushed all of my ground forces out of Welsh territory. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 14 2010, 03:28 PM Post #420 |
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Wouldn't I be joining a side that already has a bunch of nations? Why are people talking about me by myself? Who would be on my side anyway? Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jun 14 2010, 03:28 PM.
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 04:13 PM Post #421 |
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Sed, every one of my ships is 5x quality, and I'm not willing to allow you to have both a super highly trained infantry and a super highly trained air force and a super highly trained navy. By any measure, I outclass you in numbers and am, at worst, your equal in quality of navy, land and air. You cannot pretend to be the best of the best of the best and the rest of us normal little squares. I'm not even occupying you, my entire focus is on the air and sea at the moment. For example: You have: 8 Aircraft Carriers at 5x quality. (while halving your air force) I have: 9 Aircraft Carriers at 5x quality, and a full air force as well. This is just me, not counting Tou, TO, or Att. Land, pretended it happened at the same time as the blitz, if necessary, or that our intelligence is faulty and you were out already and we're simpyl securign the border. RD, you'd be joining Sed, Telo, Hesp, and Land. If RD were to join in, the final (population) breakdown would be: Ireland & Co: 10 + 5 + 4 + 5 + 13 = 37 billion TO & Co: 10 + 12 + 13 + 2 = 37 billion Porcu: 11 billion In the simplest of terms, of course. I don't plan on entering Ireland, and I bet most people could care less about my homefront in Iberia. We'd have the slight edge because of some yellow economies on Ireland & Co. Porcu was on your side, but I think he was turning towards ours, but he's listed separate. Whoever has Porcu in the end has the advantage. Edited by Union, Jun 14 2010, 04:52 PM.
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| Aelius | Jun 14 2010, 04:21 PM Post #422 |
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Whatever works, just informing you of the situation. |
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 04:51 PM Post #423 |
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Edited my post above to include RD's info. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 14 2010, 04:54 PM Post #424 |
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Who's the 2 billion for our allies? |
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| Union | Jun 14 2010, 04:54 PM Post #425 |
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You. |
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