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| OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,371 Views) | |
| Rhadamanthus | Jun 11 2010, 10:49 AM Post #376 |
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OOC: Ok, I told Telo I would aid him if Venice was attacked. If you are not actually attacking him I don't need to intervene; but I think I will need to state an official position and clarify the empire's positions on the situation IC, in order to not look weak. |
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| Union | Jun 11 2010, 10:50 AM Post #377 |
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Pyrenees Republic
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OOC: I do intend to conduct missile strikes against airfields and naval bases on Galicia, in order to limit his capacity to operate in the British Isles, as disclosed in my PM. This is the scope of my attack, however, and I will not target cities, or land troops unless Venice bombs my territory, or a ground invasion occurs. |
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| Aelius | Jun 11 2010, 10:53 AM Post #378 |
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I'm sick of this war, and being pushed around by everyone IC. |
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| Union | Jun 11 2010, 10:55 AM Post #379 |
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Pyrenees Republic
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Lans, I am willing to work with everyone and anyone OOCly to make IC things work. I've proven as much in my history on this forum. Please do not believe that I am trying to pick on you. Had I had time at the start of this RP, I would have been involved from the beginning, and I realize this is a sudden and drastic alteration of the situation, but it is what the Union would logically do. :) |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 11 2010, 10:55 AM Post #380 |
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OOC: As per my treaty, I have use of Venetian naval bases and ports; I originally secured that clause specifically to use his Atlantic naval bases. So I have a legal interest in those bases. |
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| Union | Jun 11 2010, 10:56 AM Post #381 |
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Pyrenees Republic
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OOC: If you can guarantee that operations will not be conducted out of any base in which you operate that may harm the Union, we can agree to avoid striking those bases. In fact, if you can pressure Venice to withdraw its forces totally, the entire conflict can be diffused very quickly. We will even allow Roman military vessels through the blockade to guard the ports, if they wish it. However, we will still strike airports/airfields, and SAM sites, in order to maintain the air restricted fly zone. Edited by Union, Jun 11 2010, 11:00 AM.
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| Aelius | Jun 11 2010, 10:59 AM Post #382 |
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I know it's nothing personal. IC, being a relatively small nation compared to all the 8 billion+ nations basically makes it difficult to be considered an equal with the rest of the nations, though, and being strong-armed gets old after a while. |
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| Union | Jun 11 2010, 11:01 AM Post #383 |
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Pyrenees Republic
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You simply have to find a strong ally. That being said, I agree that using nationstate nation size as a barometer for strength is stupid, and have made numerous proposals in the past to try and alter these huge advantages. :P |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 11 2010, 11:08 AM Post #384 |
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OOC: Union, that sounds reasonable from what I can tell, but I'll let Telo comment on his position further before deciding what I am going to do, because I don't want him to feel like I'm just abandoning him. I have to admit, I haven't fully followed RP in recent months, so I don't understand all the interests implicated in this war. Also, while previously, I've been fairly committed to our old NS-based system out of habit, I'm thinking that a new fairer system could be a good idea. Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jun 11 2010, 11:09 AM.
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| Menhad | Jun 11 2010, 11:15 AM Post #385 |
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How do you think I felt? Sandwiched between Paradise and Scythirus. Who had a secret agreement to help each other(Which made a power-block that no one could defeat), and no matter what I did I was either antagonizing them, or they where antagonizing me. Edited by Menhad, Jun 11 2010, 03:16 PM.
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| Union | Jun 11 2010, 11:37 AM Post #386 |
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OOC: I don't think you'd be abandoning him. He violated a treaty with another nation, and just like in the real world, there are consequences for doing so. :lol: |
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| Telosan | Jun 11 2010, 02:04 PM Post #387 |
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The Foremost Intellectual Badass
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I was under the impression that Galicia would be attacked as a result of Venice publicly saying they were no longer working under the clauses of the treaty, so I contacted RD to find out if the Romans would assist if/when that attack happened. I have a longer standing treaty to assist Ireland and England, who are allies whereas the Union is not, so I had to contradict the treaty to go help them. A missile strike is still an attack, isn't it? Venice can't just sit by while missile after missile is lobbed at the Galician military installations. A blockade is a nuisance, but Venice will let it be until it becomes a major problem or makes further aggressive moves. I also have to agree with Lans and Huesca about the NS account as a power meter. Because of this war and everyone comparing military budgets, I have taken my account off vacation mode so I can start answering issues to make Venice stronger after a year and a half of just logging in to keep it alive. Unfortunately, the testing ground for Huesca's power meter idea has lost interest since no one will respond anymore... |
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| Menhad | Jun 11 2010, 03:16 PM Post #388 |
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I do believe there should be some form of a ceiling on military. But I also believe that different levels of military strength make for interesting RPs. I also do think that certain nations shouldn't be allowed to ally (ie "The Three). But I do enjoy pushing my weight around after years of getting pushed around. :evil: |
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| Toussaint | Jun 11 2010, 05:13 PM Post #389 |
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Major
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Who? :unsure: |
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| Deleted User | Jun 11 2010, 05:18 PM Post #390 |
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Boy, do I have a solution to all these problems. Maybe they'd take it Union, just maybe. |
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| Menhad | Jun 11 2010, 05:55 PM Post #391 |
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It was Paradise, Scythirus and RD's old Rome |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 11 2010, 06:23 PM Post #392 |
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As Menhad said, but here is the link: http://s3.zetaboards.com/nationstates/topic/226054/1/ Of course, it would be considered defunct now. |
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| Aelius | Jun 11 2010, 09:06 PM Post #393 |
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Att, I left most of my men on the borders. Also, I don't know if you can just dictate that you're slaughtering men left and right, that doesn't give Sed and me a whole lot of leeway to work with in either case. Granted, some POWs are reasonable, as is pushing a decent way into England, but you've got to keep it within reason and allow players to respond to attacks, you can't dictate exactly what happens to other players. Edited by Aelius, Jun 11 2010, 09:29 PM.
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| Menhad | Jun 11 2010, 09:59 PM Post #394 |
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Indeed Att, it is best to pm players of you intentions before acting. My general rule is that if your taking the loss, you should rp it. If they are taking a loss, then they should rp. If you don't think the other player who posted lost enough then talk to them. (This was my major problem with Al, when he was Rping Paradise. He just said I can rape you and didn't ask me at all.) Edited by Menhad, Jun 11 2010, 10:02 PM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Jun 11 2010, 10:04 PM Post #395 |
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Menhad is right; the general guideline is that you don't RP other's losses. I didn't see what you guys are discussing though, so I'm just stating generally. |
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| Aelius | Jun 11 2010, 10:17 PM Post #396 |
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This, pretty much. I gave Att permission to strike back and push my forces out of Wales and back into England, and Sed gave him permission to take Dublin, though. Edited by Aelius, Jun 11 2010, 10:19 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jun 11 2010, 10:49 PM Post #397 |
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You did give me the go ahead to proceed to the line at which we were to have a stalemate though. But, all that slaughtering was a little bit dramatic, that's all. Yeah, I did get a little carried away though. Also, I misread your post. Don't worry, I'm not trying to dictate your actions. I was just misinformed. :P I haven't read your post in quite a while, and I swear that you had thrown all your soldiers into Wales. My bad. And I just acting on what Sed told me to do. Plus with the relative lack of activity concerning Sed, I'd thought that if I advanced it a bit further, something or somebody would react ICly and we could finish this up. I'll change it all though. |
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| Sedulius | Jun 13 2010, 01:26 PM Post #398 |
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THIS. IS. DUBLIN! Hat. Um... well, I have a lot of reading to do. Last thing I remember was Atticus posting a map and thinking in my head it was inaccurate. The Teutonic invasion would not have happened in Inishowen where they would be shelled to death by the Grianan Ailigh. Indeed, at this point they would either be avoiding the Grianan in Inishowen or besieging it with high casualties. However, they would have advanced into Ulster much further than that map had shown when it was posted (I mean, the Teutons kind of steamrolled with no significant force to oppose them until the outer counties of Ulster), being able to support the Welsh attack at Dublin. Think of Ulster as mostly overtaken by the Teutons, except for Donegal and some other outer counties, and the rest of Ireland under the control of William. With the Welsh invasion, the Welsh would control Dublin and the surrounding county, pushing onwards into Meath and Leinster. Hope that clears up how I was thinking of the situation as going. This is a two sided war at this point rather than a civil war, and though I do have new plans for Ireland as a whole, that does mean everyone else gets more say than they have had. But just remember that even large numbers of troops and knights can be very bogged down by guerrilla and urban warfare. Anyways, I need to do the reading over these topics to get up to speed. This war went its own way without me. If there are any disagreements with the above, post here. (There's simply too many people involved to handle the entirety of the war through PMs.) |
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| Menhad | Jun 13 2010, 01:33 PM Post #399 |
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While I have no problem with the action, I do have a problem with the armor. I doubt your armor could survive a Ma-Duce (M2 Heavy Machine Gun, .50 cal round), or an armor piercing round, and even though it might survive a standard round, the kinetic energy would still cause internal damage. Broken Bones, internal bleeding, soft tissue damage, bruises, etc. In short you would be torn up if you relied solely on the armor. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 13 2010, 02:04 PM Post #400 |
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Thanks for the clarification. You guys never set an exact location in the posts, so I just guessed my way in. :P |
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