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OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War
Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,374 Views)
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Telosan
Jun 4 2010, 07:43 PM
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Jun 4 2010, 03:18 PM
NH, are you taking over for Kas? The Welsh and Venetians are both trying to recruit the nameless mercenaries that were hired by Otto, not the pirates that were under Welsh contract already.
Well, I figured I'd represent mercenaries in general! Who hired the pirates?? I'm getting confused!
Atticus hired the pirates. The Venetians have not come in contact with them and, as far as the Venetians are concerned, they are considered a Welsh fleet of unknown origin.

The mercs were the center of a huge debate that Kas, Atticus, and I were working out. Since Kas is gone, Atticus and I will have to work out another compromise.
Let's just drop the merc thing altogether. There's no use for them since the player is gone. They would just be another blob to add to our already large blobs.
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Venice needs the mercs for their continued participation in this war. If Wight goes down, I have to withdraw. I've only received a bit of assistance and, since the Sperian fleet can't stand up against the British, I need more to throw into the fight. The mercs would be sent there once their contract was signed.
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Jun 4 2010, 08:00 PM
Venice needs the mercs for their continued participation in this war. If Wight goes down, I have to withdraw. I've only received a bit of assistance and, since the Sperian fleet can't stand up against the British, I need more to throw into the fight. The mercs would be sent there once their contract was signed.
Well how do we solve this then?
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Forum rules say that no one can use the mercs, since the nation that offered their services (The Bank) no longer exist. The Merc no longer exist, pretend they never happened, or they all where killed, but at this point no body gets them.

EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
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Jun 4 2010, 08:13 PM
EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
If so, let it be a neutral nation, who has no part in this war.
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Gah, Venice is screwed.
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The British could go either way, depending on Cromwell's meeting with them.
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EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
If so, let it be a neutral nation, who has no part in this war.
How about Draxis then as it is neutraland I am pretending this war is happening after the current events in Draxis.

Would that be acceptable?
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EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
If so, let it be a neutral nation, who has no part in this war.
How about Draxis then as it is neutraland I am pretending this war is happening after the current events in Draxis.

Would that be acceptable?
The mercs fired on Venetian ships, so if it was discovered that they were from Draxis, there'd be an serious problem between our two countries.
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EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
If so, let it be a neutral nation, who has no part in this war.
How about Draxis then as it is neutraland I am pretending this war is happening after the current events in Draxis.

Would that be acceptable?
Didn't you have plans for the Faore Islands? You could somehow work that into the equation.

EDIT: Plus Draxis wont represent the mercs per se, but he'll just take on the role Kas has. That would be much better.
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Jun 4 2010, 09:15 PM
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EDIT: Unless another nation takes up the nation's (Kas) void
If so, let it be a neutral nation, who has no part in this war.
How about Draxis then as it is neutraland I am pretending this war is happening after the current events in Draxis.

Would that be acceptable?
The mercs fired on Venetian ships, so if it was discovered that they were from Draxis, there'd be an serious problem between our two countries.
I see you don't want the mercs now that I am trying to find a way to get them to you.

Or Draxis could give you other Mercs. I want you to have your mercs, but I don't have to give them to you as I have nothing really to gain or lose by getting involved.

Or there is always Att's idea.
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Telosan
Jun 4 2010, 08:00 PM
Venice needs the mercs for their continued participation in this war. If Wight goes down, I have to withdraw. I've only received a bit of assistance and, since the Sperian fleet can't stand up against the British, I need more to throw into the fight. The mercs would be sent there once their contract was signed.
Where are Tous's naval numbers in that battle located? I'm somewhat suspicious of that.
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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
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"The time for action had come. The Royal Fleets, which had been mobilizing for the past month or so, were now prepared to leave harbor, and enter the fray. No less than ten of His Majesty's twenty-and-one fleets were ready to make the initial charge, each headed by some four aircraft carriers, seven destroyers, seven cruisers, and five frigates. In addition, wolfpacks were sent into the sea, composed of attack submarines for hunting enemy surface and sub-surface vessel. The Royal Navy was a sight to be seen- certainly close to, if not the sole naval power in modern Europe. British Naval tradition was one thing that held strong regardless of how fractured the isle of Britannia had become."

"With the Catholic allies having already destroyed much of William's fleet, and the Russians being on fair terms with Liverpool, the primary target for the British fleets was the Venetian Armada at sea. The Italians were a nuisance- as an ally of the cancerous little government in the south, and as the occupiers of valuable English land in the Isle of Wight. Liverpool's first mission was simple- destroy the Venetian presence on the Isle of Wight. Traveling from the east side of the island, four fleets fully equipped to conduct the assault and headed by the Scottish Veteran Admiral Galahad, who'd seen action in Iceland and against Wales, the Eastern fleet was a force to be reckoned with. Wolfpacks some thirty-strong accompanied the fleets, as the naval domination of Wight was expected to commence."


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With the suspicion that an increasing amount of support may be called in to support efforts in defense of the island, Admiral Galahad sent in a signal for more support in Wight. Liverpool command cleared the sending of an additional two fleets, which shipped out immediately.


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This puts me at 6 fleets. That's a total of:

30-or-so submarines
24 ACCs
42 Destroyers
42 Cruisers
30 Firgates

Aircraft Carriers come equipped with a buncha' planes. More reinforcements could easily be sent as well.
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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
Sperrians, Irish, Venetians, and English are on William's side. The British, Socttish/Welsh, T.O., Pirates, and Irish Genesians are on the late Otto's side.




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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
Sperrians, Irish, Venetians, and English are on William's side. The British, Socttish/Welsh, T.O., Pirates, and Irish Genesians are on the late Otto's side.




Solution to the Mercenary issue: Pirate fleet and Mercenary fleet face off for an epic battle. After some heavy fighting, they realize that neither really have a horse in this race, cut off the battle, and head home. Thoughts?
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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
Sperrians, Irish, Venetians, and English are on William's side. The British, Socttish/Welsh, T.O., Pirates, and Irish Genesians are on the late Otto's side.




Solution to the Mercenary issue: Pirate fleet and Mercenary fleet face off for an epic battle. After some heavy fighting, they realize that neither really have a horse in this race, cut off the battle, and head home. Thoughts?
The Merc fleet is much much smaller compared to yours. And plus we wouldn't pay you if you left this early on.
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Jun 6 2010, 11:43 AM
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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
Sperrians, Irish, Venetians, and English are on William's side. The British, Socttish/Welsh, T.O., Pirates, and Irish Genesians are on the late Otto's side.




Solution to the Mercenary issue: Pirate fleet and Mercenary fleet face off for an epic battle. After some heavy fighting, they realize that neither really have a horse in this race, cut off the battle, and head home. Thoughts?
The Merc fleet is much much smaller compared to yours. And plus we wouldn't pay you if you left this early on.
Then use me, goddammit! Wait, that's something ver few people have ever heard :shy:
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Is there a "Who's fighting whom" guide anywhere?
Sperrians, Irish, Venetians, and English are on William's side. The British, Socttish/Welsh, T.O., Pirates, and Irish Genesians are on the late Otto's side.




Solution to the Mercenary issue: Pirate fleet and Mercenary fleet face off for an epic battle. After some heavy fighting, they realize that neither really have a horse in this race, cut off the battle, and head home. Thoughts?
The Merc fleet is much much smaller compared to yours. And plus we wouldn't pay you if you left this early on.
Then use me, goddammit! Wait, that's something ver few people have ever heard :shy:
:lol: I have been. Some of the Pirates are heading down to attack Telosan as we speak. You kinda stopped participating after we had taken over the Faroe Islands.
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Only if needed I could have the Dissith Company take over as a source of funding for mercenaries.
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Jun 6 2010, 02:00 PM
Only if needed I could have the Dissith Company take over as a source of funding for mercenaries.
At this point, the mercs need to be played as someone who has no part, and must be played the same as they were, not part of anyone else's private contractors. This still needs to stay in the relam of Kas's bank.
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Jun 6 2010, 02:02 PM
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Jun 6 2010, 02:00 PM
Only if needed I could have the Dissith Company take over as a source of funding for mercenaries.
At this point, the mercs need to be played as someone who has no part, and must be played the same as they were, not part of anyone else's private contractors. This still needs to stay in the relam of Kas's bank.
Venetian condotierri are on Kas' roster...

Lets just assume the discussion of the contract was decided. The Venetian and Welsh naval forces agree to a ceasefire for a certain amount of time, enough to get out of range of each other, and the mercenaries divide evenly between the two forces. From that point on, the mercs can just be treated as part of our fleets with no further mention.

Deal?

Does anyone know the numbers of ships Kas obtained for the mercenaries?
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Only if needed I could have the Dissith Company take over as a source of funding for mercenaries.
At this point, the mercs need to be played as someone who has no part, and must be played the same as they were, not part of anyone else's private contractors. This still needs to stay in the relam of Kas's bank.
Venetian condotierri are on Kas' roster...

Lets just assume the discussion of the contract was decided. The Venetian and Welsh naval forces agree to a ceasefire for a certain amount of time, enough to get out of range of each other, and the mercenaries divide evenly between the two forces. From that point on, the mercs can just be treated as part of our fleets with no further mention.

Deal?

Does anyone know the numbers of ships Kas obtained for the mercenaries?
I say we go all or none, because quite frankly, its unfair to me. I lose an important ally. And they were on my side before this.
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Jun 5 2010, 05:38 PM
This puts me at 6 fleets. That's a total of:

30-or-so submarines
24 ACCs
42 Destroyers
42 Cruisers
30 Firgates

Aircraft Carriers come equipped with a buncha' planes. More reinforcements could easily be sent as well.


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Here's my naval numbers that I posted back on Page Two or Three. Forgot which one it was.

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The fleet, composed of 4 Aircraft Carriers, 72 Destroyers, 48 Submarines, 36 Frigates and 48 Cruisers (OOC: All 3x Quality), began to organize itself as it split into four carrier groups, with each pair attacking a seperate point of the semi-circular form that the HCC Fleet had molded into, due to the pincer formation it was enclosed in.

Aircraft had also come with the fleet, numbering 225 Jet Fighters, 23 Heavy Bombers, 50 Naval Helicopters and 15 Support Planes (OOC: All 3x Quality); as much as possible was put on the aircraft carriers, while the rest had arrived from an airbase in Lanaire and would head back when their fuel was running low; at the moment, it seemed too risky to have them land at the Isle of Wight, since the Welsh were invading English territory and the security of the area was believed to be compromised. But the option was always open.


So yeah. And even though this was originally the Jolorian Fleet, it has the same numbers as the Helusian Fleet that I'm using right now, which replaced the Jolorian Fleet earlier, engaged the Welsh for a bit, then swung around to help out Venice with the Isle of Wight. I'd be somewhat weakened by that encounter with the Welsh, but that still puts me roughly at the same level of strength as you are, Tous; after all, I'm using a third of my navy here (since I have three fleet main fleets in my navy). You do, though, have the advantage of being able to churn out more reinforcements faster than I can, which still leaves me and Vencie in a bad position in the end.
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This puts me at 6 fleets. That's a total of:

30-or-so submarines
24 ACCs
42 Destroyers
42 Cruisers
30 Firgates

Aircraft Carriers come equipped with a buncha' planes. More reinforcements could easily be sent as well.


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Here's my naval numbers that I posted back on Page Two or Three. Forgot which one it was.

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The fleet, composed of 4 Aircraft Carriers, 72 Destroyers, 48 Submarines, 36 Frigates and 48 Cruisers (OOC: All 3x Quality), began to organize itself as it split into four carrier groups, with each pair attacking a seperate point of the semi-circular form that the HCC Fleet had molded into, due to the pincer formation it was enclosed in.

Aircraft had also come with the fleet, numbering 225 Jet Fighters, 23 Heavy Bombers, 50 Naval Helicopters and 15 Support Planes (OOC: All 3x Quality); as much as possible was put on the aircraft carriers, while the rest had arrived from an airbase in Lanaire and would head back when their fuel was running low; at the moment, it seemed too risky to have them land at the Isle of Wight, since the Welsh were invading English territory and the security of the area was believed to be compromised. But the option was always open.


So yeah. And even though this was originally the Jolorian Fleet, it has the same numbers as the Helusian Fleet that I'm using right now, which replaced the Jolorian Fleet earlier, engaged the Welsh for a bit, then swung around to help out Venice with the Isle of Wight. I'd be somewhat weakened by that encounter with the Welsh, but that still puts me roughly at the same level of strength as you are, Tous; after all, I'm using a third of my navy here (since I have three fleet main fleets in my navy). You do, though, have the advantage of being able to churn out more reinforcements faster than I can, which still leaves me and Vencie in a bad position in the end.
Plus I'm still right on your tail with a crap load more than you have. I have my navy in full deployment, but I still have the ability to reforce/resupply my ships at any given point.

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The Llynges (Navy) split into three separate fleets. The Western fleet, composed of 5 aircraft carriers, 6 amphibious assault ships, 150 destroyers, 100 cruisers, 70 frigates, and 100 submarines. The Western fleet was ordered to break the Irish blockade. Along with the Western fleet, several corps of infantry, supporting infantry, and Ddraig Milwr, along with various vehicles were sent as an invasion force.

The Southern fleet, composed of 26 aircraft carriers, 348 destroyers, 182 cruisers, 130 frigates, and 182 submarines. This fleet was ordered to engage the navies of the Venetians and the English who were battering the HCH's navy.

The Northern Scottish fleet, composed of 14 aircraft carriers, 125 destroyers, 105 cruisers, 125 frigates, and 125 submarines. This fleet was ordered to engage the Northern Irish fleet, and trap its navy between the Scottish and the Teutonic Order's navy.

A smaller, more stealthy fleet was also created. This was composed of 3 aircraft carriers, 25 destroyers, 25 cruisers, 25 frigates, 25 submarines, and 9 amphibious assault carriers. With this fleet, a large invasion force was also created to go along. Over 20 corps each of infantry, supporting infantry, Ddraig Milwr, and assault vehicles were sent along in ships, helicopter transports, and aerial transports. This force was ordered to invade Cornwall.

The Llu Awyr was split into 2 groups, one for the invasion of Ireland, and the other for the invasion of Cornwall.
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