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| OOC: Imperator Scottorum; Great Irish Civil War | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 04:57 PM (7,377 Views) | |
| Telosan | May 15 2010, 02:57 PM Post #226 |
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Okay. I never specified damage. Sed, why run to the Romans? They haven't done anything yet. The Venetians are your close allies, too, and they've been there since the beginning! :sad: :rolleyes: |
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| Toussaint | May 15 2010, 03:03 PM Post #227 |
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I believe he is saying that if William, Venice, Sperry, England, et all are defeated, he'll be requesting Roman assistance. Hence, he'd be running to Rome because Venice has already failed. |
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 03:14 PM Post #228 |
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Venice will not fail! B) I don't intend to retreat. If everyone else falls back, Venice will still be hanging around, harassing enemy forces until further help arrives, regardless of who from. |
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| Toussaint | May 15 2010, 03:53 PM Post #229 |
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Went on NSEconomy to calculate the respective strengths of each side. Only current combatants are counted. Information is current as of 15/5/2010.
NOTES: -Genesians also have bank/privateer assets, I believe. -Ireland's information was not included, because I am uncertain of how Sed is distributing the resources between the Genesians and William. -If I left anybody out, please let me know. Edited by Toussaint, May 15 2010, 03:57 PM.
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 04:28 PM Post #230 |
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Irish forces are almost entirely under William's control at this point. |
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| Toussaint | May 15 2010, 05:18 PM Post #231 |
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So, the Irish Genesians have no resources whatsoever? In any case, here' Ireland's break down: Pop: 4.567 Defense: 41.133 GDP: 131.8 |
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 06:58 PM Post #232 |
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Well they only held two cities and their leader is dead. Their navy was entirely bank mercenaries. Plus Sed said:
I took that to mean that the Genesian Irish faction could be considered defeated, thus all Irish forces in play would be under William's command. |
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| Kasnyia | May 15 2010, 07:47 PM Post #233 |
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Bank better get compensation, Sed. With Otto dead, the bank is only too willing to give William the victory immediately by seizing Otto's assets and personnel. |
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 08:19 PM Post #234 |
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If the mercenary fleet stopped fighting, the Venetians would stop shooting. They would let them leave, especially since they have to deal with so much else right now. Or you could try to contact William and switch sides, but he might not want to listen to them or be too busy to do so. Venice would enlist them, if only for immediate aid at Wight. |
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| Kasnyia | May 15 2010, 08:40 PM Post #235 |
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The Bank will do anything, so long as it gets its compensated for the money it lent and especially if they can make a profit off this war. Kinda bummed that the war ended so obviously. |
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 08:57 PM Post #236 |
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IC, no one knows where the mercenary fleet came from, nor can we figure out where it came from since you insist that the bank is incredibly secretive. A while ago Venice had a business executive meet with one of the bank's representatives. It would be reasonable to assume that he was appointed as the emissary for Venice-Bank interactions. If you contact him, Venice will hire the mercenaries and bring the debt incurred by Otto before the LFN council at the conclusion of the war, to see if it can be divided amongst the LFN members. Or we could skip contacting the emissary and just have the mercs stop fighting and request to speaking with Admiral Dandolo, since they are currently facing off in the Irish Sea near Dublin. |
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| Menhad | May 15 2010, 09:48 PM Post #237 |
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Ugh, If I knew this was going to happen I wouldn't have joined. |
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| Telosan | May 15 2010, 10:01 PM Post #238 |
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What was going to happen, Otto being killed or the bank switching sides? Why not for both? |
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| Porcu | May 15 2010, 10:23 PM Post #239 |
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Well, the situation with Otto was rather anticlimactic. This also puts Porcu in a difficult situation. This conflict is essentially a religious war now and Stockholm was able to defend its involvement by spinning the "William is better for the Irish people than Otto" line. Ah, I'll stay and see my part through. Edited by Porcu, May 15 2010, 10:55 PM.
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| Kasnyia | May 15 2010, 10:26 PM Post #240 |
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Otto's death, by Sed's admission, seals William's victory. As such... Anyway, I'll have the merc fleet captain call for a ceasefire with Dandolo. Meeting the emissary would give away the bank's involvement. |
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| Rhadamanthus | May 16 2010, 01:57 AM Post #241 |
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Porcu should continue to support William, because Otto is a Genesian religious fanatic extremist. On the other hand William is tolerant and merciful and good for Porcu. In any case, if the bank siezes Otto's assets, that would be good for William, but would be a reasonable action in RP. |
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| Sedulius | May 16 2010, 07:03 AM Post #242 |
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Just because Otto is dead wouldn't mean the war is simply over. The Genesians are already here, invading, and with the upper hand. Ireland's own forces would be for the most part depleted from the civil war, and allied forces sent were few. I don't think the war would be over simply because Otto is dead when the Genesians clearly have the upper hand. The Teutonic Order can always blitz towards Dublin and save King Fitzpatrick's ass, along with several other lords of the Lord's Alliance, and the Commonwealth can start (if it didn't start already) dropping its paratroopers. You guys have to think about, "How would we win this?" EDIT: Kas, you could seize Otto's assets, which would likely include certain assets Ireland would want back, which you could force Ireland to pay to get back. Edited by Sedulius, May 16 2010, 07:04 AM.
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| Telosan | May 16 2010, 08:33 AM Post #243 |
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I already said that Venice would take responsibility for the bill for now and bring it to the LFN council after the war. Kas, how do I get the mercs to fight for Venice from this point, with them only wanting a ceasefire and to leave? |
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| Deleted User | May 16 2010, 12:16 PM Post #244 |
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Oh jeeze Sed, whatever happened to this? So much for this being an open ended war. This was nothing but biased from the start, and you knew that. Even if the war can still go on, who would lead Ireland if the Genesians win? You have completely killed all chances of this ending for well for Otto and his forces. |
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| Telosan | May 16 2010, 12:22 PM Post #245 |
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Otto's side can still win. In his letter he said he wouldn't appoint an heir, but let the Lord's Council elect one. All that needs to happen is one of the lords take Otto's place. Perhaps Sed could develop this character to be a renegade Irish leader long after the war ends, perhaps living in exile in Wales or something. Besides, this is Sed's war, Sed's, country, he can decide to do what he wants with it. Say he suddenly changes his mind. He can have William killed off and have another lord step up or any other kind of mayhem. Relax. |
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| Deleted User | May 16 2010, 12:33 PM Post #246 |
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But that's not what he told us in the beginning, we were all under the impression this would be open. In essence, he's lying now. As of now, there is not a single character that could replace him, unless the Lord's Council develop some sort of Confederacy, but that would undermine the entire purpose of "Imperator Scottorum." |
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| Menhad | May 16 2010, 12:44 PM Post #247 |
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Also, any government that I help installl now will be viewed as a TO puppet, before it was Otto who brought the TO in to help install him. Really, at this point the TO would ues this chance to defeat the Order of St. Patrick, but would also do a lot of damage to Ireland, to make sure its not a threat for awhile. |
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| Deleted User | May 16 2010, 12:53 PM Post #248 |
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Eryri Nibheis would put every effort into supporting such a action. I guess if something like this was allowed, then killing Otto wouldn't be a problem. |
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| Sedulius | May 16 2010, 01:45 PM Post #249 |
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That's the point of this whole war. Do what would logically happen. That's the only reason Otto got killed. No one tried to save him, and William's forces were ready for quite some time to strike at him. Also, Otto's death makes for a plot twist. Why would the O'Neill do such a thing? What will happen to Otto's family? Etcetera. All this and more in my next post! :lol: This war was meant to liven up the forum a bit, and I think it did so. It can either be concluded soon or drawn out a while longer. It's up to the players involved. EDIT: More or less TO, after I make my next post explaining the effects of Otto's death, I've given you permission to do as the Teutonic Order would do and unleash hell. Of course, expect reasonable backlash. Edited by Sedulius, May 16 2010, 01:47 PM.
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| Telosan | May 16 2010, 02:02 PM Post #250 |
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The war games were never concluded, so neither of us can claim victory. Besides, you were 'fighting' the Falkland Confederation in those war games, not Venice. Also, the Venetian fleet is right near Dublin with their backs to the eastern Irish coast, so a landing would have to go through "the largest Venetian fleet assembled in the past decade". I have a very large portion of my navy there and I've repeatedly stressed the superiority of the Venetian navy in regards to its other military branches, so no small engagement will just push them aside. I think that it's unlikely that any British Isle navy (save for Ireland) could match the Venetians since the Welsh, English, and British have to worry more about land and air than Venice does. I don't mean to take this out on you, Atticus, but it just seems to me that the Venetian fleet isn't being viewed as the threat it should be by most in this war. |
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