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Catholicism
Topic Started: Feb 22 2010, 04:01 PM (143 Views)
Sedulius
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For the purposes of plot, I need to be able to critique the Genesian Church and maybe the Colognian Church.

Can anyone give me the full current doctrine of the Genesian Church, or links to full current doctrines?

And the Colognian Church is still more or less a copy of the RL modern Roman Church, correct?

I need to know these things if I'm going to create an actual unique religion. I don't want to accuse the Genesians of something not currently in their doctrine and get backfired on for it.

It's reasonable enough for me to ask for such data, as in-game such data would be available.
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Rhadamanthus
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No, noone can link you to the full current doctrine of the Genesian Church. That's because it was an entity that developed through RP, not something that CE decided to sit down one day and write a fictional catechism. Sorry if that isn't very helpful. :lol: There are some old council threads you could hunt for where CE would define certain doctrines; also, a readthrough of the History of the Papacy thread is a must.

The Colognian Church was opposed to some specific teachings and practices of the Genesians, such as burning at the stake. They rejected the heriditary papacy, IIRC, but that was a discipline, not a doctrine, as the Genesian Church was perfectly willing to use conclaves when it required them.
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Kasnyia
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Must there be a new topic every time we get back to the issue of Catholicism? :rolleyes:

Anyway, the Colognian Church under Kasnyian protection had changed toward more moderation due to the heavy influence of the Church of Kasnyia (which is a seperate entity). Now that Cologne is independant again, expect it to change more. That said, the general notion that it is equivalent to the RL Roman Catholic Church of modernity shall remain true.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Rhadamanthus
Feb 22 2010, 07:06 PM
No, noone can link you to the full current doctrine of the Genesian Church. That's because it was an entity that developed through RP, not something that CE decided to sit down one day and write a fictional catechism. Sorry if that isn't very helpful. :lol: There are some old council threads you could hunt for where CE would define certain doctrines; also, a readthrough of the History of the Papacy thread is a must.

The Colognian Church was opposed to some specific teachings and practices of the Genesians, such as burning at the stake. They rejected the heriditary papacy, IIRC, but that was a discipline, not a doctrine, as the Genesian Church was perfectly willing to use conclaves when it required them.
This is right... NSWR Catholicism is quite complicated... neither the Genesian nor Colognian church can really be summarized in one sentence, or even a list of doctrines. Instead, the accumulated total of all Genesian-related or Colognian-related RP's might collectively stand as the manifestos of those two respective churches. For example the violent crusader nation of Menhad was at one time the keystone of the Colognian world, and IIRC on another occasion Saxe-Coburg was discussing the possibility of women priests. The easiest definitions of Genesianism and Colognianism might be that the Genesian Church was not the Colognian Church, and the Colognian Church was not the Genesian Church :lol:
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Ulgania
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Everything here is complicated. That's why I sat down to write an Ulganian discourse which... I doubt anyone will ever read.

Sed, do what we all do, sleuth your way through the forums and bookmark anything useful. If I didn't keep reformating my damn laptop I would have an equivalent that you were looking for, but bookmarks don't tend survive these things.
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Telosan
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Ulgania
Feb 22 2010, 08:49 PM
Everything here is complicated. That's why I sat down to write an Ulganian discourse which... I doubt anyone will ever read.

Sed, do what we all do, sleuth your way through the forums and bookmark anything useful. If I didn't keep reformating my damn laptop I would have an equivalent that you were looking for, but bookmarks don't tend survive these things.
I keep a written log of every website I ever visit that may hold some value at a future time. I only use the browser's bookmarks for the sites I visit often.
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Rhadamanthus
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I do not keep any bookmarks relating to this site except one to the forum homepage itself. I simply read the RP and absorb our world and its life, its joys and its sorrows, its saints and kings and tyrants and madmen, and having internalized its tenor and pathos, I write, knowing that what comes out of all that will fit organically in the world out of which it was born.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Ask a list of questions and I'll give you specific answers. But as has been said, there isn't a list.

You've got to bare in mind that real life doctrines were developed in response to real life pressures. Our IC doctrines developed according to IC pressures.
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Sedulius
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Understood. I'll have to settle for something simpler along the lines of this plot then, but that's fine. That said, I'd like to try to write a clear doctrine, but that is an enormous undertaking. I will try.
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