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| The Trial of Michael Harris | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 19 2010, 10:32 PM (1,268 Views) | |
| Aelius | Jan 19 2010, 10:32 PM Post #1 |
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Official Statement to the Government of the United Tribes of Iceland The time to try Michael Harris is soon to come. Bearing in mind the devastation and chaos that he has caused in both of our nations, we are willing to offer an opportunity to try Harris in a joint English-Icelandic court. Our first preference would be to try him either in London or Reykjavik, but international opinion may dictate that other methods should be used, possibly trying him in Ireland. I wish to consult with you on what would be acceptable to your government and its people. -Patrick Nielsen, English Foreign Minister |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 19 2010, 10:44 PM Post #2 |
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As many veterans of the notorious Black Ball mercenary company, and supporters of Michael Harris, later found their way into the employment of the Prince of Morbihan during his campaigns in northern France, the Prince saw it fit to issue a statement in support of Michael Harris. "Iceland is a backwards, barbaric land, and would've benefited from the governance of Mr. Harris. His only wrongdoing was to have failed in his objective, but it was a noble failure that does not detract from his character. I condemn the English republicans for holding this kangaroo court. Mr. Harris is welcome at any time to retire in Morbihan." Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 19 2010, 10:44 PM.
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| Aelius | Jan 19 2010, 10:49 PM Post #3 |
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"While we do not necessarily share the opinions of our Breton neighbors on this subject, we would be potentially willing to allow Harris to be exiled to Morbihan depending on the outcome of the trial." -English Justice Ministry |
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| Ulgania | Jan 19 2010, 10:57 PM Post #4 |
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Statement from the State Department of Terrel Fen Should it be requested, as an independent member of the international community, Terrel Fen shall offer the use of an impartial observer for these proceedings. |
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| Porcu | Jan 19 2010, 11:04 PM Post #5 |
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Porcu strongly appeals for the trial of Mr. Harris to be held in Reykjavik. Should it so be desired, Stockholm will overlook the proceedings. |
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| Kasnyia | Jan 19 2010, 11:06 PM Post #6 |
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A rare statement was issued from Kasnyia- His Imperial Majesty offers Courthouse #1 at the Imperial Ministry of Justice in Guranburg for the trial. This man must be brought to justice for partaking in crimes against humanity. However, if denied, we would like to try him afterwards. Or imprison him. OOC- I don't expect anyone to take me up on the Kasnyian offer, but Kasnyia has a berserk button for war criminals...especially if they worked for Gassel. EDIT- IC- ICON has a warrant for his arrest. However, the Special Prosecutor will allow Mr. Harris to complete the trial for his more recent crimes. We then ask that he be given to ICON custody to face charges from the War. - Statement from the Office of the Special Prosecutor, ICON Edited by Kasnyia, Jan 19 2010, 11:09 PM.
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| Deleted User | Jan 19 2010, 11:10 PM Post #7 |
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Reply to England I would very much favor Michael Harris to be tried in Iceland where he commited his crimes. Although it does make sense to try him in London because after all, he is English. What I fail to see though is a reason to try michael Harris in Ireland. First of all in what way did Michael Harris wrong the Irish? Secondly trying Michael Harris in Ireland makes just as much sense as trying him in Scotland. Did they both not help liberate Iceland. My proposal is that countries should vote either to try Michael Harris in Iceland or England. -Sigmund Haakonsson, President of Iceland OOC: I suggest we use a time limit of twenty four hours for the voting. |
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| Aelius | Jan 19 2010, 11:40 PM Post #8 |
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OOC: We'll worry about that when it's time to vote. Response to the Icelandic Government Trying him in Reykjavik is preferable to trying him in a non-aligned power. This offer is acceptable to us. I was simply using Ireland as an example for a nation we could try him in. At any rate, we will try him in Reykjavik. As per English law, I would propose a combined English-Icelandic prosecution for this. He will also be allowed a defense attorney, in order to ensure he has a fair trial. We will allow international observers to verify the legitimacy of the trial beyond the shadow of a doubt, if that is acceptable to you as well. Response to the ICON Special Prosecutor With all due respect to ICON, we intend to try Harris for all of the crimes he has committed in this trial. If ICON wishes to observe the trial and verify that justice is served, we would invite observers to do so. |
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| Kasnyia | Jan 19 2010, 11:41 PM Post #9 |
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The Office of the Special Prosecutor will send observers. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 19 2010, 11:46 PM Post #10 |
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Official Statement The Roman Empire strongly suggests that Michael Harris be tried in a neutral nation, for the sake of international justice. If the purpose of this trial is to determine whether Michael Harris broke any law in his claim to rule over Iceland, then how can he be tried by the current Icelandic government? To accept the legitimacy of an Icelandic trial would inherently prejudge him as guilty. This is contradictory to the purpose of a trial, so unless this is to be a show trial, that possibility must be ruled out ex ante. England has a better claim to try Mr Harris, but as England was also the nation that the WesCorp originally came from, this could lead to complications. As an impartial nation who is interested in making sure that all justice is served, and that all formalities are kept, we think it would be best to hold this trial in the court of another power, not a rival to Mr Harris, nor the government under whose laws WesCorp was originally incorporated. This is no attack on the integrity of either Iceland or England, and in the latter case, we have already made our opinions known in private, so this should not be taken as a criticism of the English Republic. We would offer the use of the High Court of Constantinople, where Icelandic, English, Scottish, and other accusations could all be heard, and judged by a tribunal composed of judges from multiple neutral nations. Alternatively, we would endorse a trial held in Ireland, Porcu, or any other disinterested nation. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 20 2010, 12:03 AM Post #11 |
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Reply to Official Statement I think it is up to England, I and every other country who helped liberate Iceland to decide where the trial occurs. I do see your point however, that it is more just to try Mr. Harris in a nuetral country so that the trial is as fair as can be. However the choice should be made by countries who were affected. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 20 2010, 12:06 AM Post #12 |
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Reply to the Icelandic Statement The Roman Empire has no intention of forcing Iceland or England to follow its advice. Thus, the ultimate decision is still in your hands. However, we hope you will accept our concerns, and press your charges against Michael Harris in a court administered and judged by disinterested nations. That way your claims will be prosecuted as you desire, and justice can be had for all involved. |
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| Ulgania | Jan 20 2010, 12:13 AM Post #13 |
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Terrel Fen will offer itself as a neutral, uninvolved territory. There will be no interference in the proceedings. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 20 2010, 12:17 AM Post #14 |
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"The Count of Roncevaux, an officer of Morbihan, volunteers to advocate on behalf of Mr. Harris before the court. The Count is a soldier, not a lawyer, by profession but nonetheless has an affinity for the law and has accrued an expertise in the law from his readings. His military background might also be of use in handling the military aspect of these proceedings."
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 20 2010, 12:19 AM.
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| Sedulius | Jan 20 2010, 11:40 AM Post #15 |
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LFN Statement from General Quintus Vorenus Ireland was involved in the arrest of Micheal Harris because of his status as a security threat due to his theft of 150 billion pounds from the English economy. It was absolutely necessary that he be arrested and the money returned as quickly as possible to ensure the stability of the region. He killed Icelandic government officials and illegitimately declared himself a king, but beyond that I see no other crimes. There is thus no reason that he should be tried anywhere other than the affected region. He was a threat to Iceland and LFN nations of the region. I ask that ICON cease cutting into matters that are not their own. I previously endorsed that Harris should be tried in Reykjavik, and I suggested a joint English-Icelandic court under LFN supervision. I will of course accept any course taken by the English government other than releasing him. We would of course accept him for trial in Ireland. |
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| Kasnyia | Jan 20 2010, 12:43 PM Post #16 |
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Michael Harris has been charged with war crimes in damned near half the world. Crimes including war profiteering, murder, crimes against humanity and crimes against the rules of war. The nature and scale of these crimes outweighs his post-war crimes several fold. As we have already been permitted to observe this trial, your objection is noted, but will not be acted upon. - Statement from the Office of the Special Prosecutor, ICON ------ Seperate message to the English Government- To the English, as you will be trying the accused, may we add our charges to your docket? - From the Office of the Special Prosecutor, ICON |
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| Aelius | Jan 20 2010, 01:36 PM Post #17 |
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OOC: I don't think he could have committed any post-war crimes since he's been in an English prison since the war ended. IC: Official Statement from the English Justice Ministry ICON may add its charges to the docket of crimes charged, although we suspect they will be similar to those he is already charged with by the other parties involved. At this time, we favor a joint English-Icelandic trial oversaw by the League of Free Nations and observed by international observers to verify its legitimacy. As to the sites that we would agree to, we would prefer to try him in London or Reykjavik, but the Irish fortress of Inishowen was offered by Irish officials as a site for the trial, and we would be willing to permit this, depending on the wishes of the Icelandic prosecution and the wishes of the Count of Roncevaux and the rest of Harris's defenders. Edited by Aelius, Jan 20 2010, 01:37 PM.
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| Kasnyia | Jan 20 2010, 02:00 PM Post #18 |
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OOC- Oh he has? Then were all these crimes committed during the war? And when I mean "the war" I am referring to the Dominion War. IC- We understand there will be similar charges. It does not matter. The law is the law, and we must ensure the accused faces ALL his charges. We thank the English for their cooperation. - Office of the Special Prosecutor, ICON |
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| Aelius | Jan 20 2010, 02:05 PM Post #19 |
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OOC: Harris wasn't part of the Dominion war. The mercenary dude, Jack Morris, was, but that's not the same guy. He's at large out there somewhere and I've got further RPs planned for him. I suppose I made the names too similar. My bad.
Edited by Aelius, Jan 20 2010, 02:10 PM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 20 2010, 02:06 PM Post #20 |
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The Roman Empire would support the trial in Inishowen. However, we must inquire what is meant by an "English-Icelandic trial"? While we think it would be appropriate for English and Icelanders to prosecute him, it would not be appropriate for them to also judge him. The judges and the prosecution should be separate. |
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| Aelius | Jan 20 2010, 02:10 PM Post #21 |
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We mean this in the context that we (England and Iceland) would be bringing the charges before him. We were assuming an Irish or LFN official would be the judge on this matter, seeing as how the trial would be potentially in Inishowen. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Jan 20 2010, 02:17 PM Post #22 |
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We would support that. |
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| Sedulius | Jan 20 2010, 02:37 PM Post #23 |
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OOC: @ Lans: Just to clear things up, the fortress is in Inishowen (the northern most peninsula). The actual name of the fortress is the Grianán Ailigh (English: Grianan of Aileach). That said, I can't remember offering to try him there, just to hold him there. The fortress at Tara would be more appropriate. The Grianán Ailigh is more of the High King's private estate as well as an Order facility. |
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| Kasnyia | Jan 20 2010, 02:53 PM Post #24 |
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OOC- Oh if he wasn't involved in the war, then forgive my intrusions. I retcon anything I posted here IC. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Jan 20 2010, 03:18 PM Post #25 |
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Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight The Count of Roncevaux arrived on the Isle of Wight after a short boat trip across the English Channel from Normandy. He was here to meet with Michael Harris to plan his criminal defense. As Harris' lawyer, the Count sought to get the prisoner acquitted on charges of usurpation and war crimes. The Count was still deliberating with his assistants over whether they should attempt to get Harris acquitted on charges of embezzlement from WesCorp, or to lodge a plea of insanity. |
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