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The Reunification of Belgium
Topic Started: Jan 15 2010, 03:29 PM (1,095 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Kasnyia
Jan 17 2010, 01:22 PM
I was speaking in terms of suppsoedly being a neutral bystander. I place you right there with H, as you are intent on backing whoever is not me.

And TO, I know, I know. Not including you with the others in this, forgive me for not clarifying.

TC, if this was still the Kasnyian Empire, I'd actually agree and wouldn't have made the claim. But these are independant states now, and so I'm doing it from that angle. Still, this also a question of principle now rather than territory.
OOC: What principle would that be?

Btw this doesn't necessarily have to be settled in PM's. This type of thing can be easily settled IC in this thread. PM's definitely have their place but I don't know when this forum became so overdepent on them when there are plenty of alternate RP recourses.

IC:

Semi-secure transmission[

To: The Colognian Papacy
From: Prince Jerome of Morbihan

Morbihan is willing to support your claim on Wallonia if your holiness signs a concordat to become my vassal.

Prince Jerome
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Kasnyia
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OOC- Caron. For the last time. Do. Not. Talk. Down. To. Me.

IC-

Secret Transmission to Mobihan-

"His Holiness is willing to consider the offer."
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Tristan da Cunha
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Secure transmission

To: The Colognian Pope
From: Prince Jerome of Morbihan

I invite a representative of the Papacy to my court in Sables d'Olonne to discuss the terms of a concordat between our two states,.

Prince Jerome
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Jan 17 2010, 01:48 PM.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- You talking down to me is not an inferiority complex. It is you with some sort of superiority complex. You talk to me normally, I will talk to you. Otherwise, don't talk to me.

IC-

The Pope sent Archbishop Falzen of Amsterdam to represent the Pope.
Edited by Kasnyia, Jan 17 2010, 01:49 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Sables de'Olonnes

As war clouds brewed over Europe, the Colognian prelate Archbishop Falzen was secretly received in the castle of Sables d'Olonnes to discuss an alignment between the Church of Cologne and the Prince of Morbihan. Prince Jerome greeted the archbishop and after a few brief diplomatic formalities laid down his proposal:

-The Pope of Cologne shall acknowledge the Prince of Morbihan as the protector of the Colognian papal states, granting the Prince authority to nominate and veto papal candidates, and the authority to nominate and veto papal and Church policies.
-The Prince of Morbihan shall in his capacity as the protector of the Colognian papal states assist militarily the papal cause, including the current contested expansion into Wallonia.
-Morbihan shall adopt the Colognian Church as its state religion.
-A Church Council shall be held within the next 10 years to clarify and codify the doctrines of the Colognian Church to reflect the cultural and religious relationship between Morbihan and the papacy.
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Kasnyia
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His Holiness accepts the offer.
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Kasnyia
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OOC- I have wanted Belgium ever since Iggy left. Only one place left now.

Mods, split the dreck from the thread please.

Other deals are possible, BTW. Pope may try to play everyone against the middle. After all, no one knows about the current deal....
Edited by Kasnyia, Jan 17 2010, 02:11 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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OOC: This is somewhat unrelated but something I've been planning for some time regarding religious policies in Morbihan, but which I forgot to mention in the treaty. I also would've made it more clear in other RP's but I haven't had the chance to construct those RP's before the current series of events turned up.

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Prince Jerome, "I apologize, Prelate, I must indicate my personal partiality toward the Genesian rite, which is the religion of my forebears. Under our current concordat, I request the Pope's cooperation in implementing the Genesian rite into the Church of Cologne, including a Genesian Inquisition and hereditary papacy after the death of the current Pope from the royal blood of Dos Santos Aveiro-Medici. If this is unacceptable to you, you may withdraw from the current concordat without penalty. Note that if you accede to these policy reforms, Morbihan will obviously endorse the claims of the Genesian Pope in Cologne against the Genesian Pope in Bremen."
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May we keep what is unique to Cologne's Church?

OOC- Aren't the Medicis extinct now? :huh:

And people, looking for more deals here.....
Edited by Kasnyia, Jan 17 2010, 03:09 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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OOC:

There are a few still alive, including the current Genesian pope. The Emperor in Constantinople is actually a DSAM.

IC:

"I believe the defining unique feature of the Colognian Church is its increased level of autonomy for the individual national churches. I believe that feature can be preserved, and thus the uniqueness of the national churches would naturally be expressed."
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"I will take this to the Pope to consider."
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A very old, poorly dressed man approaches a guard standing before the palace of Prince Jerome of Morbihan. He hands the guard a piece of paper, taps it with his finger, and says, "see! See, this is proof!"

The guard looks at the paper, then looks at the old man, and says, "What the devel are you talking about?"

"There, on the map. It proves it. See, this is an old map from before the Dominion wars. See there, that boundry? That's the Amish boundry. See there, see where Calogne is, yes, right there, south a bit from Duseldorf. It is clearly in Amish Territory. Our boundry clearly is on the Eastern side of the Rhine, see?? Show THAT to the Prince."

OOC: Eh, since everyone else is making a claim!
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The threats levied against the Colognian Papacy are needless. Why are so many of you eager to jump into war so soon after the world has been devastated by a great one? If anything the Colognian expansion will bring stability and prosperity to Belgium. I do not see people rising against oppressors.

I say stop this warmongering, for it can only end in death.
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nvm.
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Kasnyia
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His Holiness thanks the High King for not jumping on the bandwagon.
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Jan 17 2010, 12:01 AM
The Republic of Venice opposes this conquest. France, a leader of democracy in the world has fallen, but democracy has not. It stands to us smaller republics to defend the people of our fallen precedent.
"While neither I, nor Venice, are of the Colognian faith, I have convinced the Pregadi to reverse their previous decision which was made at the behest of the Consul. Henceforth, La Serenisima recognizes the movement as a legitimate action of a legitimate church."

Imperator Drake Reed
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OOC: Ok here is my new review. It appears to total is 4 Oppositions to 4 Approvals, if my numbers are wrong please correct me. Here is whom I have for each.

Opposition: Porcu, The Union, Teutonic Knights, and France.
Approval: Eire and Mannin, Venice, Great Britain, and Morbihan.

Therefore this expansion will be granted under a "not regionally recognize" label. This means that although it can be claimed as a territory of your government, it will exist in a semi-autonomous fashion
Edited by NRE, Feb 2 2010, 04:07 PM.
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Venice recognized me since I recognized him. You have him listed as part of the opposition as well. Also I believe Great Britain has removed its opposition since I am recognizing one of its expansions as well, so its more like 4 to 3 rather than 6 to 3.
Edited by Kasnyia, Feb 2 2010, 03:52 PM.
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OOC: I also will not militarily oppose the expansion, due to involvements in France.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

The Republic of Porcu will cease all trade relations with the Papacy of Karlsburg and Cologne, as of now.
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"To suggest we had trade is laughable. The blessed people of Cologne do not deal with collaborationists."
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OOC: This is something Kas wrote on the European Continent regional board and asked that it be placed here. He'd like to have his expansion fully-recognized, so I'd like to ask are there any "IC" nations that still oppose the expansion for purely "IC" reasons?

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It had taken nearly a year to complete the transition at the local level, but soon all was ready and all was well. The populace had accepted the appointment of Bishop Andrew Romm as the spiritual leader of the Colognian province of Belgium. All remnants of seperate identity in its infrastructure had passed on. The people too, fearing the failed state just over the border, were ready to assimilate. It was done. Belgium and the Netherlands, both formerly colonies and territories of completely different states, were now united under the Holy Government of Cologne.
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OOC: I believe I already supported this. Could we get a recount on Venice's French province while we're at it?

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Venice would like to applaud the peaceful and smooth incorporation of Belgium into the Kasynian state.
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"Work is the curse of the drinking classes."

OOC: With Nixon no longer President, Porcu (under Altofiore especially) would accept the Kasnyian expansion.
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Telosan
Oct 21 2010, 02:24 PM
OOC: I believe I already supported this. Could we get a recount on Venice's French province while we're at it?

IC:

Venice would like to applaud the peaceful and smooth incorporation of Belgium into the Kasynian state.
OOC:

Telo: Send me a link over PM, I'll do a recount and then ask to see if anyone's changed their mind.


Ok originally the totaly was 4 Oppositions to 4 Approvals, which came out to this:

Opposition: Porcu, The Union, Teutonic Knights, and France.
Approval: Eire and Mannin, Venice, Great Britain, and Morbihan.

Now naturally, France nor Morbihan exists (TC, I took you off the map cause the nation died...I believe I PM you about it..if not, and you want the nation back on the map, PM me). So that would take the total to 3-3...but, with Porcu's newer administration willing to change their decision, the new total would be 2-4, which will grant the full recognition of the territory to Kas.
Edited by NRE, Oct 21 2010, 10:17 PM.
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