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Romano-English Summit
Topic Started: Jan 14 2010, 12:35 PM (290 Views)
Aelius
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An e-mail had arrived in Lord Aldebaran's inbox for him to view upon the conclusion of his meeting with the Scottish court.

"We request your company in London in regards to discussion relations between the Empire and the English Republic, as well as the deteriorating situation in the British Isles. I would like to meet you soon in London, at your earliest convenience."

-Patrick Nielsen, English Foreign Minister

OOC EDIT: That works for me.
Edited by Aelius, Jan 16 2010, 12:32 AM.
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OOC: Rather than write a formal reply, i hope you don't mind if I just have him come here once I finish with the other thread. Also, I'm going to move this to the War & Negotiation forum.
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After his Scottish meeting, the Prince Aldebaran turned toward then English Republic in the far south of Brittania. The Isles seemed to operate on a different schedule of seasons, as events spun far faster than they did in the Mediterranean world. It seemed that since his meeting in Wales, the border had shifted, and now he could travel directly from Scotland (or "Great Britain" as it had come to be called) to England, without passing through Wales (or "Celtia" as it had come to be called). It was hard to say, by the time he reached Ireland afterwards, what these lands would look like.

When Prince Aldebaran arrived in London, he was escorted in to see the English Foreign Minister, Patrick Nielsen.
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"Greetings, Lord Aldebaran." Nielsen said, drinking a glass of water and motioning for the Roman diplomat to take a seat. "Can I offer you anything to drink? How has your trip been so far? I trust that things have gone well?"
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"A sample of the local vintage would be marvelous," Lord Aldebaran responded, "This trip has gone well, if somewhat frantically. It seems that lately I have been made to observe several times the volatile nature of these Isles. I hope your country remains peaceful, even if your neighbors' have not?"
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"Well, peace is our intent. However, we are not so certain of our neighbors. The "Celtic Empire", as the Welsh now call themselves, are a wild card and should be dealt with carefully. We have no ill will towards them, but the actions that both Ireland and the "Celts" take against one another are disturbing. If the Irish are attacked, we will be forced to intervene seeing as they are one of our greatest allies and friends."

"Our main concern is that of the newly established "Great Britain". Any nation that would call itself that doubtlessly hopes to capture and rule all of Britain and Ireland, including our Republic, as well as the Welsh and Irish people. We know that eventually, Edward will attack us. We wonder, as one of the great superpowers of the world, what stance the Empire takes on all nations involved with the Isles, including our Republic."
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Sipping his wine, Prince Aldebaran responded:

"Well, I am glad that peace is your intent. I am somewhat disappointed by recent Welsh actions, as I was there only recently, and I was under the impression that they would not be starting conflicts with Ireland. But in any case, I will return there soon, and I will assess the situation when I am there.

"And as you may be aware, I was in Scotland or Britain recently as well. His Majesty was most gracious, and very gentlemanly. As for his aggressive intent, I would not be so certain. Afterall, it was the Welsh who attacked him, not vice versa. But in any case, the Empire is always a friend of peace, and does not take kindly to unnecessary aggression, like the recent Huescan invasion of the French Pyranees, a terrible blow to European peace.

"But I do not know if the name Great Britain is intended as a claim against England, but I sincerally doubt it is aimed at Ireland. Great Britain and Ireland are two different islands, after all. But Ireland is the empire's oldest ally in this part of the world. The Irish campaigned with us in Syria in the old days, and during the Dominion War against Gassel. The Empire will always guarantee Ireland's independence.

"And as for your own republic, while I do not condone republicanism, I have no quarrel with your nation, and we respect and recognize its independence. I see no need for our relations to be anything but friendly as long as you are a friend of peace. We did have some concern with the English corporate operations in Iceland, though that situation seems to have been solved to some degree."
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"It seems that the international community as a general rule took a dim view of that situation. I suppose that is understandable, although it appeared that WesCorp acted within the terms of the agreement with the people of Iceland until Harris decided he wanted to rule the country. But that is water under the bridge, I think."

"Edward and his diplomat were not so cordial to me when I went to Edinburgh to meet them, back when they were still Scotland. They made direct insults against me personally and seemed to show significant disdain for the Republic as a whole. I am not certain if their demeanor has changed since or if they have changed their minds about our existence, but they seem to think they can bully my nation into any action they choose."

"On a different matter, what is your opinion of the "Celtic Empire", and of my Republic?"
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"I thought Wales was a pleasant country, but that was before they launched the recent war, and before this 'Celtic Empire.' The matter of what this new identity means will be discussed when I return there. As for your republic, I have enjoyed my time here. It seems to be a peaceful nation and I believe your relations with Ireland are positive, which aids your image in Roman eyes. Nevertheless, the lack of a crown reflects poorly on your people, but I will not belabor that point needlessly. Now I must ask a question: what is your intention with regard to this Mr Harris?"
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Jan 18 2010, 10:48 PM.
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"He is currently being held in a secure prison in secrecy. Our original intent was to try him in a court here in London, but noting the devastation of Iceland that he caused, we are in communications with the United Tribes of Iceland in regards to holding a joint trial for him between our nations in Reykjavik."

"I have a question of curiosity as to why not having a monarch reflects poorly upon us. I suppose it perhaps has to do with differing philosophies on governance, but it seems like nations with monarchial rule take issue with republican rule as a whole. We have a strong relationship with Ireland, also a monarchy, so we are curious about other nations' perspectives."
Edited by Aelius, Jan 18 2010, 11:04 PM.
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"Well, I have found monarchial nations on the whole to be rather tolerant--under the Treaty of Koenigsburg, we were even willing to work with communists, of all things. But republicanism has historically been a destabilizing influence that under Cerdone, under Gassel, and under France, has nearly brought the Continent to destruction again and again. So our criticisms of republican government are based on empirical observation and experience. But the Empire has always tolerated republican government where it keeps to itself and avoids the abuses of the above mentioned regimes. Nevertheless, monarchy is a more civilized and advanced form of government, so we prefer it when given the choice.

"We do not think it would be wise to try Harris in England. The fact that his company was English might allow unfriendly nations to view such a trial as corrupt, though of course we both know better. Similarly, an Icelandic trial is problematic, because it would simply appear that the current government is taking vengeance against a rival. I would recommend you allow a party that was neutral in the affair to try the usurper."
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"I suppose there are governments that form both good and bad examples of any particular type. The Irish have a strong relationship with your empire, and we are inclined to trust their judgment on the matter. You also seem to be a rational example of a monarchy that works well as a stabilizing force in Europe and in other areas. From reading my history books, I'm uncertain if I would consider Gassel to be any example of a republic, as its actions seem to represent those of the worst kind of empire. That said, we do not actively oppose any nation's actions unless it violates international law or that nation has antagonized us first. We tend to prefer peace among nations and would not attempt to actively seek out conflict."

"I see your points on this issue. I still think that both the English and Icelandic people deserve the opportunity to prosecute Harris at the very least. Another possibility I think the House of Lords may be considering is allowing the Irish government to try him in Ireland with our two nations prosecuting him. We will speak with Iceland's government as well in regards to their preferences."
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"I will not debate you on the nature of Gasselism, as neither of us desires to apologize for that regime. We can leave political theory for another time."

They both chuckled a bit before Lord Aldebaran continued,

"A trial in Ireland would be worthwhile, and the imperial offer is still on the table."
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"I don't see why either of us owe an apology for it. The Empire appeared to oppose the Dominion mightily and outlasted its reign, and the English Republic did not exist at the time. As far as Harris goes, nothing is set in stone. I assure you, we will allow any international observers to the trial to verify its legitimacy without question, no matter who technically holds the trial."

"I would also like to extend trade relations to the Roman Empire if those do not already exist. Beyond that, I can't particularly place any other pressing business that we have. Do you have anything else you would like to discuss with the Republic?"
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OOC: "Apologize" in this context does not mean to make an apology, but to articulate an argument in favor the subject in question. Lord Aldebaran was saying that since neither the Empire nor the English seek to apologize on the Dominion's behalf, that he did not desire to argue about the Dominion's nature, because both governments share an ill opinion of the Dominion.

IC: "It is good to have your assurances on the Harris trial. The empire will certainly support the international community in this matter. And certainly, I would be pleased to have trade relations with England. Trade will all peaceful nations is my philosophy. I do not think that I have any matters to discuss, except that I think that every man should visit Constantinople at least once in his lifetime, and you are no exception."

He smiled jovially as he made the last friendly statement.
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"Well, I'll have to take you up on that offer at some point." Nielsen shook Lord Aldebaran's hand. "I wish you well on your travels, friend."
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Bidding Neilson farewell, Lord Aldebaran made preparations for his journey to Eire.
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