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Topic Started: Nov 22 2009, 04:56 PM (1,114 Views)
Aelius
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Ditto for OU. I think that's the way it is at most American universities.
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6000 level courses are meant for graduate students here. 5000 level is meant for seniors. I don't know exactly why freshman through junior level courses need four different designations, but that's probably why I don't design systems for organizing college courses.
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When I was an undergrad we had systems in the 100s, not the 1000s. I think that grad courses would go to something like the 600s, maybe a bit higher.
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Alright, my thesis statement has been approved and I now have to submit a minimum of 5 sources that I am likely to use. Problem is, I'm not allowed to use the internet. My poor classmates might actually have to use the *gasp* library!

Any suggested books on terrorism and/or the actions of the SoL?
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Mar 1 2010, 05:42 PM
Alright, my thesis statement has been approved and I now have to submit a minimum of 5 sources that I am likely to use. Problem is, I'm not allowed to use the internet. My poor classmates might actually have to use the *gasp* library!

Any suggested books on terrorism and/or the actions of the SoL?
Hit a Jr. college library. They generally have a database engine where you can search "Terrorism" and "Sons of Liberty" in the same search and get references of all books containing references to both. If you can't do this, I could use my college's database and see what I come up with.

Second, there are new biographies of both Ben Franklin (likely the founder of the Sons of Liberty) and John Adams on the shelves right now. Check out their indexes.

Probably the hardest thing you will have to prove is how an organization such as the Sons of Liberty, who, at the time of their founding, still considered themselves loyal subjects of the Crown, and an organization which wanted to kill no one, could be considered terrorist by today's standards. Read up on how the militias in Mass. were founded, and by whom.
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What's the difference between a Jr. college library and a regular one? I have my school library and the town library. I'm sure there's more, but I haven't seen them. If you could look when you have time, it'd be appreciated. I only need 5 sources, but any extra would help.

Do you know the titles of those biographies? I'll have to order them, my library never gets new books until there is a request for them.
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Submitting my sources tomorrow. The list I give the teacher does not have to be final and I can get more sources at any point.

So, I spent 4 hours or so at the library yesterday and found nothing, at all, that talked about the Sons of Liberty. I saw a few books that mentioned them, but never gave any detail. Only one book actually alluded to the Sons of Liberty being involved in the Boston Tea Party. Two librarians were unable to help me find a book that detailed the Sons of Liberty. This is going to be alot more difficult than I thought.
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Mar 4 2010, 04:46 PM
Submitting my sources tomorrow. The list I give the teacher does not have to be final and I can get more sources at any point.

So, I spent 4 hours or so at the library yesterday and found nothing, at all, that talked about the Sons of Liberty. I saw a few books that mentioned them, but never gave any detail. Only one book actually alluded to the Sons of Liberty being involved in the Boston Tea Party. Two librarians were unable to help me find a book that detailed the Sons of Liberty. This is going to be alot more difficult than I thought.
I think that this is their official website.
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Mar 4 2010, 07:04 PM
Telosan
Mar 4 2010, 04:46 PM
Submitting my sources tomorrow. The list I give the teacher does not have to be final and I can get more sources at any point.

So, I spent 4 hours or so at the library yesterday and found nothing, at all, that talked about the Sons of Liberty. I saw a few books that mentioned them, but never gave any detail. Only one book actually alluded to the Sons of Liberty being involved in the Boston Tea Party. Two librarians were unable to help me find a book that detailed the Sons of Liberty. This is going to be alot more difficult than I thought.
I think that this is their official website.
:rolleyes:

I'm not allowed to use internet sources.
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Mar 4 2010, 07:31 PM
I'm not allowed to use internet sources.
Look on their site for print versions of their sources. Or, just use Wikipedia and steal the literary citations. :lol:
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I'm not allowed to use internet sources.
Look on their site for print versions of their sources. Or, just use Wikipedia and steal the literary citations. :lol:
11.The revolutionary gospel according to Samuel Adams: how a leader of the Sons of Liberty turned the patriot cause into a divine mission.
Stoll, Ira.
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April 8, 2001

Revere's exploits extend past famous ride
Historians take a deep look at the "Son of Liberty."

Author: Delia M. Rios / Newhouse News Service

Edition: All Editions
Section: Perspective
Page: F1






Index Terms:
Celebrity; History



Estimated printed pages: 4



Article Text:

April 18, 1775. A swift mare carries silversmith Paul Revere into New England's countryside. Those who lived through it remembered the event with clarity, much as later Americans remember the bombing of Pearl Harbor, President Kennedy's assassination or the Challenger explosion.

They would hardly recognize his legend, a solitary rider shouting, "The British are coming!"

The Revere ride on country roads that night was as a shrewd and audacious organizer of a broadly choreographed resistance. He set in motion 60 riders, of which he was one. By the next day, they had carried their news as far as the New Hampshire and Rhode Island borders: The British were marching from Boston to Concord, Mass., to seize munitions.

It is, as historian David Hackett Fischer says, a wonderful tale -- with heroes, traitors, spies, a race against the clock and the wits of men like Revere pitted against officers in the army of the greatest power on Earth.

It is also one of the best documented pieces of American history. Participants left lively accounts in diaries, depositions and Revolutionary War pension applications.

Yet Revere comes down to us as more storybook character than man, with his pivotal role in the American Revolution obscured.

Until Fischer determined "to put Paul Revere on his horse again" with his 1994 history, "Paul Revere's Ride," no one had bothered with a scholarly account. And Jayne Triber's "A True Republican: The Life of Paul Revere," published in 1998, was the first biography of him since the 1940s.

Revere benefits now from shifts in historical thinking.

There is a new focus, like Fischer's, on how the actions and choices of individuals play out -- and he finds Revere to have been an exceptional "actor and doer." Triber, for her part, was initially curious about how Revere was remembered, then prompted to ask broader questions about the man behind the legend.

From the late 19th century and deep into the 20th, historians set out to destroy myths, said Gordon Wood, a Revolutionary War scholar at Brown University. Today, more ask why a story is told a particular way. Does Paul Revere's legend have a purpose?

Revere himself set down three accounts of his activities, but they were apparently suppressed early on -- in the service of the Revolution. As Fischer explains:

"The elaborate preparations that lay behind the midnight ride did not fit well with the ... image of Lexington and Concord as an unprovoked attack upon an unresisting people."

Revere never said the words, "The British are coming!" Colonists -- at least until the night of that ride -- still considered themselves British. Before the end of the next day, the first battles of the Revolutionary War would be fought at Lexington and Concord.

It was the poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow who took Revere the New England folk hero and made him into an American icon.

On April 5, 1860 -- long after Revere's death in 1818, at the age of 83 -- Longfellow climbed the steps of Boston's old North Church. Revere had arranged the famous lantern signal from its steeple to warn of British army movements -- "one, if by land, and two, if by sea," in Longfellow's words. In his April 19 diary entry, Longfellow noted, "I wrote a few lines in 'Paul Revere's Ride'; this being the day of that achievement."

He began his poem this way:

"Listen, my children, and you shall hear/Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,/On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-Five;/Hardly a man is now alive/Who remembers that famous day and year."

Longfellow was writing on the eve of the Civil War, and he meant the poem as an allegory. As Triber put it, he conjured the image of "a lone messenger of liberty, rousing his countrymen from slumber." Revere was a symbolic reminder, she said, that the actions of individuals count.

Triber describes Revere as a proud man, clearly exhilarated by his role in the Revolution. He was a "Son of Liberty" who, the evidence suggests, was a leader in the 1773 Boston Tea Party. He joined with other patriots to patrol Boston's streets "two by two," in his words, to monitor the British army. The British, in turn, kept a wary eye on the man a street ballad celebrated as "Bold Revere."

His schooling ended at 13 but, as Triber found, Revere was a man of ideas all his life. As the Revolution unfolded, he quoted the French philosopher Voltaire to express his political views.

This is Revere as Fischer and Triber came to know him:

A man who inspired intense loyalty so that, in the end, "his body was followed to the grave by troops of friends."

A man "who other men could trust to keep his word and get things done." A father of 16 who was widowed twice -- he called his children "my little lambs" and wrote love poems to his second wife, Rachel. His honor was easily insulted, and he was prone to fisticuffs.

He was an ambitious businessman who saw opportunity to improve his family's life in the world created out of the Revolution, and eventually sent a son to Harvard.

"His temperament was as American as his ideas," as Fischer put it.

That was the man who -- as British commanders feared he might -- foiled what was planned as a secret march on April 18, 1775.

When Fischer looked at local diaries from that period, he found that nearly every one with an entry for April 18 or 19 described what colonists knew as the "Lexington Alarm."

Revere showed uncommon courage even when nervous British soliders captured him and repeatedly threatened, as Revere told it, "to blow my brains out."

"You can tell he loves it when the British stop him and he's looking down the barrel of a gun and they're threatening to blow his brains out and he makes a speech -- a political statement that they've stopped him without a warrant," Triber said.

The soldiers, alarmed by Revere's account of other riders, released him. Without prisoners, they could quickly warn others.

History lost sight of Revere early on the morning of April 19 at Lexington Green. But Fischer thinks he knows where he was -- out making more rides, and helping to direct marching companies of militia.

"He was engaged," Fischer believes, "in what the Pentagon calls command and control."






Copyright, 2001, The Grand Rapids Press. All Rights Reserved. Used by NewsBank with Permission.
Record Number: 0355648318




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9.The role of the Sons of Liberty in Savannah, Georgia, 1765-1776.
Talen, Timothy Louis.
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10.The Boston Sons of Liberty 1765-1773 :
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11.The Sons of Liberty and the aristocracy in New York politics, 1765-1790 /
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12.The role of the Sons of Liberty in the pre-American revolutionary era /
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13.Charleston's Sons of Liberty :
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14.The Sons of Liberty in the southern colonies.
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15.The Sons of Liberty and the revolutionary movement in New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.
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Thanks, I'll order these from my library tomorrow.
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Found this in our Library database today. It has two chapters on the Sons of Liberty and contains original columns and letters to the editor from Newspapers, 1764 to 1775 that both attack them and defend them. Great stuff!!

Title: Debating the Issues in Colonial Newspapers : Primary Documents On Events of the Period

Author: Copeland, David A.

Publication: Westport, Conn. Praeger, 2000.

eBook ISBN: 9780313007262

ISBN: 9780313309823

Subject: United States--History--Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775--Sources.
United States--Politics and government--To 1775--Sources.
United States--Politics and government--To 1775--Public opinion.
Public opinion--United States--History--17th century--Sources.
Public opinion--United States--History--18th century--Sources.
American newspapers--Abstracts.

Language: English

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That's actually the only book on the Sons of Liberty my library claimed to have. I already have it checked out. It's an interesting read, if only I didn't have to ruin the experience by quoting every 4th line.
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:furious:

Two weeks ago today, I put the order in for those books you suggested. I was told it would take two weeks for them to arrive. I checked today, and they were not in yet. About 5 minutes ago, I received a call from the librarian stating that these books are not available to any library in the US.

Guess what else? Placing the orders for those books used up all my allotted book order forms for the year, regardless pf the fact that I can't get them.

I'm now stuck to the "Debating the Issues in Colonial Newspapers" book and ONE encyclopedia on the American Revolution that I can't take from the library. Not that I would want to, since it only has 2 articles mentioning the Sons of Liberty, only one of which focuses on them.

I hate not being allowed to use the internet...
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Do any of those or other relevant books show up on Google Books?
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I haven't found them yet.

The instructions are unclear as to whether books through the internet are usable. I'd say yes, but my school is so retarded, it's safer to not make any assumptions.

~~~~~

Speaking of "retarded", my school district has joined the campaign against the "r-word". The use of the word is punishable by detention. Repeated use can lead to suspension. All students were required to write an essay on one of the two following topics: How does the r-word affect people with mental handicap? How does the r-word affect people who have been affected directly and indirectly by mental disability?

I wrote about the second topic. I take pride in my ability to write bullshit essays on absolutely nothing, considering that I'm the only one who managed to type a full page, whereas most couldn't fill a page with larger fonts and double spacing. The essays will be given to the school's superintendent.

We were also required to take the pledge which reads as follows: I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities.

The only way I've been able to describe this stupid idea? Yep, it's retarded.
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Mar 17 2010, 07:24 PM
:furious:

Two weeks ago today, I put the order in for those books you suggested. I was told it would take two weeks for them to arrive. I checked today, and they were not in yet. About 5 minutes ago, I received a call from the librarian stating that these books are not available to any library in the US.

Guess what else? Placing the orders for those books used up all my allotted book order forms for the year, regardless pf the fact that I can't get them.

I'm now stuck to the "Debating the Issues in Colonial Newspapers" book and ONE encyclopedia on the American Revolution that I can't take from the library. Not that I would want to, since it only has 2 articles mentioning the Sons of Liberty, only one of which focuses on them.

I hate not being allowed to use the internet...
Books on American revolutionary history are not available from any library in the US? Guess what Telosan, your librarian is *lying* to you.
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Mar 17 2010, 08:35 PM
I haven't found them yet.

The instructions are unclear as to whether books through the internet are usable. I'd say yes, but my school is so retarded, it's safer to not make any assumptions.

~~~~~

Speaking of "retarded", my school district has joined the campaign against the "r-word". The use of the word is punishable by detention. Repeated use can lead to suspension. All students were required to write an essay on one of the two following topics: How does the r-word affect people with mental handicap? How does the r-word affect people who have been affected directly and indirectly by mental disability?

I wrote about the second topic. I take pride in my ability to write bullshit essays on absolutely nothing, considering that I'm the only one who managed to type a full page, whereas most couldn't fill a page with larger fonts and double spacing. The essays will be given to the school's superintendent.

We were also required to take the pledge which reads as follows: I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities.

The only way I've been able to describe this stupid idea? Yep, it's retarded.
I can't say I sympathize with the school district, really. My friends and I throw around a dancing plethora of racial and ethnic slurs, among other things, as terms of endearment. I'm sorry if the use of words generally felt to be offensive rubs some of the dinosaurs the wrong way, but the use of any words between consenting assault is nobody else's business.
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Mar 17 2010, 08:35 PM
I haven't found them yet.

The instructions are unclear as to whether books through the internet are usable. I'd say yes, but my school is so retarded, it's safer to not make any assumptions.

~~~~~

Speaking of "retarded", my school district has joined the campaign against the "r-word". The use of the word is punishable by detention. Repeated use can lead to suspension. All students were required to write an essay on one of the two following topics: How does the r-word affect people with mental handicap? How does the r-word affect people who have been affected directly and indirectly by mental disability?

I wrote about the second topic. I take pride in my ability to write bullshit essays on absolutely nothing, considering that I'm the only one who managed to type a full page, whereas most couldn't fill a page with larger fonts and double spacing. The essays will be given to the school's superintendent.

We were also required to take the pledge which reads as follows: I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities.

The only way I've been able to describe this stupid idea? Yep, it's retarded.
I can't say I sympathize with the school district, really. My friends and I throw around a dancing plethora of racial and ethnic slurs, among other things, as terms of endearment. I'm sorry if the use of words generally felt to be offensive rubs some of the dinosaurs the wrong way, but the use of any words between consenting assault is nobody else's business.
Have you ever used racial or ethnic slurs outside of terms of endearment though? Experts agree that's the best context to use a racial or ethnic slur. (Reading from a work of literature doesn't count, of course.)

Funnily enough, Johnny Knoxville (of Jackass fame) does not use the "r-word" since he is a champion of retard causes and was involved in the movie "The Ringer," about the Special Olympics.

I personally observe a ban on the N-word, and I tend to use many other words sparingly too - including retarded - though that is out of personal habit rather than high-falutin principle.
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I tend to not use certain words to avoid a punch in the nose - er, I mean, to avoid insulting people. One thing I have been hearing a lot lately is "pinky" when referring to a white person.

Now, some congressman referred to the Dem's attempt to pass the health care bill as a "komakazee" attempt; now, some Japanese congressman is demanding an apology! What is the world coming to??

I got my Census form yesterday and was very insulted by one item - it asks my race, and lists:

White
Black

Japanese
Chinese
Korean
Vietnamese
Thi
...and on and on in Asia.

Now, if East Asians can be narrowed down to such a small level, why not European People?? Why not Italian, Spanish, French, English, Scottish, Irish, Polish, Norwegian ... etc??

Also, I am NOT white, I am an interesting shade of pale beige with pinkish highlights, ergo, I filled out the "Other" and wrote in "Scottish".

This is just getting silly.

Telo,
Go to a library with a really good on-line search facility where you can actually bring up the text of the books you look up, which is what we have here at the Junior College. Then you can print the pages that interest you, and the bibliography information right from the tool.

How can they charge you for a book credit when they never got you the book??

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Telo,
Go to a library with a really good on-line search facility where you can actually bring up the text of the books you look up, which is what we have here at the Junior College. Then you can print the pages that interest you, and the bibliography information right from the tool.

How can they charge you for a book credit when they never got you the book??

The only way for me to get the books online is to pay for a subscription on one of the various e-book websites. My library has no subscriptions for any of these because, I'm guessing, they think if there are physical books there, why do you need a virtual one?

It counted as book credit because they ordered them without checking if they were available. I'm not sure how the whole system works.
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Mar 18 2010, 02:23 PM
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Mar 18 2010, 08:29 AM
Telo,
Go to a library with a really good on-line search facility where you can actually bring up the text of the books you look up, which is what we have here at the Junior College. Then you can print the pages that interest you, and the bibliography information right from the tool.

How can they charge you for a book credit when they never got you the book??

The only way for me to get the books online is to pay for a subscription on one of the various e-book websites. My library has no subscriptions for any of these because, I'm guessing, they think if there are physical books there, why do you need a virtual one?

It counted as book credit because they ordered them without checking if they were available. I'm not sure how the whole system works.
Sounds like it doesn't work. In fact, I can see why your school is so sensitive about the word "retard." BTW, I would suggest using the word "'tard" as a suitable substitute.
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Mar 18 2010, 02:34 PM
Telosan
Mar 18 2010, 02:23 PM
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Mar 18 2010, 08:29 AM
Telo,
Go to a library with a really good on-line search facility where you can actually bring up the text of the books you look up, which is what we have here at the Junior College. Then you can print the pages that interest you, and the bibliography information right from the tool.

How can they charge you for a book credit when they never got you the book??

The only way for me to get the books online is to pay for a subscription on one of the various e-book websites. My library has no subscriptions for any of these because, I'm guessing, they think if there are physical books there, why do you need a virtual one?

It counted as book credit because they ordered them without checking if they were available. I'm not sure how the whole system works.
Sounds like it doesn't work. In fact, I can see why your school is so sensitive about the word "retard." BTW, I would suggest using the word "'tard" as a suitable substitute.
;) Moron, moroon, short-buser, bat-shit mo-fo, retread - all work well.
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I tend to not use certain words to avoid a punch in the nose - er, I mean, to avoid insulting people.
I was called the n-word once, while walking down a sidewalk. I responded by giving the other guy the finger, but then he started toward me looking for a fight so I was compelled to pull out a switchblade that I conveniently had on me. Never underestimate the intimidation factor of the "click" of a switchblade. Still, there were too many witnesses (dining "al fresca") , and there was a squad car approaching from the distance, so the principals scattered. Technically the other guy started it, both physically and verbally.

That was the closest I've ever been to a fight, and I'm scrawny and not a good fighter like Telosan, so I'm not keen on getting into fist fights. However, there was somewhat less apprehension about getting involved with a knifing or a shooting. John Moses Browning looks over the skrawny guys.
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