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US Out of North America?
Topic Started: Nov 6 2009, 07:40 PM (149 Views)
East Anarx
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Discuss: US Out of North America?
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Ulgania
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Any rational argument against this article will be lost to predetermined talking points
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New Harumf
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Esternarx
Nov 6 2009, 07:40 PM
Hamana hamana hamana - say what?

OK, now you've gone a bit far . . . . . . . but - it would be kinda cool! :shy:
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CLEVELAND ROCKS!
New Harumf
Nov 6 2009, 11:30 PM
Esternarx
Nov 6 2009, 07:40 PM
Hamana hamana hamana - say what?

OK, now you've gone a bit far . . . . . . . but - it would be kinda cool! :shy:
I don't see it happening... All these doomsday conspiracy's are garbage. They are all the same, always written by non-US citizens or US citizens from California who don't understand the average American's mindset. The willpower and determination is just not something I could explain. Some people don't seem to get the pride that the majority of people have for this nation...


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That said, I feel like a perfectly realistic movie on this would be interesting. The Midwest would own. :P Our factories would open back up! YAY!

But no, seriously. Californians are screwed. New England is screwed. Deep south would be interesting... Texas would own. Midwest would own. Plain states too. Rocky Mountains would be similar to the south. (Basically because the rural areas would probably not recognize a government at all.) I'm more curious just how small these so called smaller states would be, realistically... Are we talking basically states for themselves, regions, or even smaller then the current state situations (other then the situations like the UP in Michigan which is obvious).
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Aelius
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It's been done.

Every time I won the game, I played as the Pacific Northwest. :P
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Union
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California is the eighth largest economy in the world.

New York City is the twelfth.

Yes. Screwed.

In any case, all the masturbation at the thought of this topic remains just that.

But tell you what:

Put your money where your mouth is: http://www.longbets.org/

I will bet $200 against your prediction that the United States disintegrates by 20X0, as a result of current policies (not foriegn attack).
Edited by Union, Nov 7 2009, 12:53 AM.
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Do you actually believe that California will become a province of China because most laptops are of Chinese manufacture? That's absolutely ridiculous. Also, if the US fragmented, it would fragment into a number of independent states, so I don't really see how this advances the anarchist agenda in any meaningful way at all. Probably not small states either, since they would logically have to be large enough to fight off the armed forces in the states that don't secede, plus those servicemen within their state that are willing to take up arms to put down their bogus rebellion. As has already been pointed out, this was written by someone who is hopelessly out of touch with the mindset of the average American. But go figure, really. The man who's promulgating these theories live on the other side of the world.
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Nov 7 2009, 12:44 AM
California is the eighth largest economy in the world.

New York City is the twelfth.

Yes. Screwed.
It's not about economic size, it's about the specific economies inside that economic might...

I would assume that if the US were to break up, there would be war over the various city-states claiming the "rightful" government.

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Worth considering what these three maps might mean in the breakup of a country...

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The brinking of USA is a clichè.
You americans are much people, but the stiock is the same.
I can see, at best, the southwest gone spanish and may be lost Dakotas for Lakota nation...if Lakota people should convince withes that secession is freedom from taxes.
Northern plains? may be.
But for other states i see no breaking, at least not in our own time
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The national debt is too vast. The only way the US govt will be able to get out of this jam is to incite a war in East Asia (preferably a three-way China vs. Japan vs. South Korea) so that our creditors are bombed to smithereens and obviously can't collect the arrears. Can Obama deliver? I have hope and faith in him.
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Usa may become a backwater power, and i see this happening in seeable furure but will not break down.
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Al Araam
Nov 7 2009, 01:01 AM
Do you actually believe that California will become a province of China because most laptops are of Chinese manufacture? That's absolutely ridiculous. Also, if the US fragmented, it would fragment into a number of independent states, so I don't really see how this advances the anarchist agenda in any meaningful way at all. Probably not small states either, since they would logically have to be large enough to fight off the armed forces in the states that don't secede, plus those servicemen within their state that are willing to take up arms to put down their bogus rebellion. As has already been pointed out, this was written by someone who is hopelessly out of touch with the mindset of the average American. But go figure, really. The man who's promulgating these theories live on the other side of the world.
From the article:

"Although some of the logic underlying Panarin’s forecast is … well, not exactly logical (California becoming province of China because most laptops are of Chinese manufacture, for example) … there may be some “there” there in the general outlines."

Clearly, the author agrees that a Chinese California is ridiculous. Durr.

As for how the fragmentation of the United States would advance the "anarchist agenda," decentralization is fundamentally anarchistic. If the highest level of government is brought down closer to the level of the people, it's more likely the people can frighten their government into submission, rather than the other way around.
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