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British Nazi Party; Sorry, "National"
Topic Started: Oct 28 2009, 02:34 PM (992 Views)
Nag Ehgoeg
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So, in the UK we have this party called the British National Party - or BNP. (Back in my Communist days, we'd call them the British Nazi Party.)

Recently their party leader appeared on a political TV show. This appearance was protested across the country by left wing groups who wanted to deny his freedom of speech.

The tabloid newspapers mercilessly crucify and humiliate BNP members.

Whenever the BNP tries to explain what they stand for, they are shouted down by the screaming masses who cry "racism".

There's a large facebook group dedicated to opposing the BNP.

My ex just joined this facebook group.

I invite you, fellow NSers, to read what the BNP stands for and tell me what you think.

You can find their party manifesto here: http://bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/minimanifesto2007.pdf
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 29 2009, 03:53 PM.
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Your "ex"????
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Oct 28 2009, 02:46 PM
Your "ex"????
Yeah, as in "the girl I was dating before I started dating my current girlfriend of four years".
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I only saw a few mentions of anything that looked like race in that pamphlet.
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Ulgania
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That says British National Party in the PDF, but that's understandable. A party that doesn't compromise should at least have a decent aesthetic.

I like their idea for education reform though: Ensure all students are literate and numerate and are taught British history.
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I like their views on economics, philosophically though not realistically, their views on corporal punishment, though it will never be implemented, their views on the environment, which make perfect sense really, their views on education reform, and their views on immigration. If I were British, I would consider voting BNP.

But I wouldn't, because the entirety of their program is what one calls a wolf in sheeps clothing, isn't it? Their leadership is racist. Griffen has two dogs named Anne and Frank. Griffen was a white supremacist in the past, and likely is today. The rest of the BNP leadership is also just as embarrassing, from the man who said that rape being sex, woman enjoy rape much more than theft, to the skinhead thugs that make up their membership.

They're a good party, in theory. A disgusting group of individuals in reality.

Unfortunately, they're the only party that is right on some key issues for me.
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Ulgania
Oct 28 2009, 05:38 PM
I like their idea for education reform though: Ensure all students are literate and numerate and are taught British history.
In a twisted way, excluding immigration of black people goes a ways toward achieving that goal.

If I were British (and non-white) I would probably vote BNP just to contribute to the downfall of the current regime, hoping that in the ensuing chaos a sensible alternative will emerge.
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Ehh, I've got too much work to do to actually read anything... It's not like anyone hating on them actually read what they stand for... (Got it!) So I'm just going to assume they are exactly equal to Fox News in their political beliefs. Seriously though. On the topic of censoring... How about Obama and Fox News. When Texas secedes from the Union, I'm moving there!

Alright, I won't pull the hijack (although it really is related). I'll just leave it at my standard damn commie bastards. (probably more unrelated).
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 28 2009, 05:57 PM
Ulgania
Oct 28 2009, 05:38 PM
I like their idea for education reform though: Ensure all students are literate and numerate and are taught British history.
In a twisted way, excluding immigration of black people goes a ways toward achieving that goal.

If I were British (and non-white) I would probably vote BNP just to contribute to the downfall of the current regime, hoping that in the ensuing chaos a sensible alternative will emerge.
The only problem with that is that usually a worse despot replaces the preceding one. It usually takes some kind of massive concerted effort to reform a European state these days. Anyone want to handle Belarus?
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Belarus? Great country, great regime. I'm predicting something positive (and apocalyptically significant) happening in that part of the world soon.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a BNP Prime Minister though, even if he and/or his fellows are into erotic autoasphyxiation. Anyone but the one eyed bitch ass currently in office, or David Cameron. BNP and the French National Front, not Eminem, are the Great White Hope against the Islamic horde.
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 28 2009, 06:16 PM
Belarus? Great country, great regime. I'm predicting something positive (and apocalyptically significant) happening in that part of the world soon.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a BNP Prime Minister though, even if he and/or his fellows are into erotic autoasphyxiation. Anyone but the one eyed bitch ass currently in office, or David Cameron. BNP and the French National Front, not Eminem, are the Great White Hope against the Islamic horde.
I'm more worried about the Golden Horde.

Maybe that significant difference will be the Mongolian conquest of Belarus...
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Did you know Putin states he sees Russia having more cultural affinity with Central Asia, rather than with Western Europe? Russia could fit the role of the Mongol/steppe horde. I'd be interested in seeing a union of Belarus and Russia after the sitting Belarusian president dies. Sitting's ego is the only thing getting in the way of that union, but it will be done, mark my words.
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Strange, didn't the USSR, shall we say punish Mongolia in the Cold War? I could see that being a slight strain on the idea. But, there's also the idea that the east-to-west population movement in Russia could usher in an army of Central-Asians to the cause.

Seeing some border shifts in Europe would be nice. EU bureaucrats have too much power right now.
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The Tsar can have any idea he wants. Besides, Russia is (fortunately) a different entity and worldview than the USSR.
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Ulgania
Oct 28 2009, 06:30 PM
Strange, didn't the USSR, shall we say punish Mongolia in the Cold War? I could see that being a slight strain on the idea. But, there's also the idea that the east-to-west population movement in Russia could usher in an army of Central-Asians to the cause.

Seeing some border shifts in Europe would be nice. EU bureaucrats have too much power right now.
Wasn't the USSR the only that kept the MPR from being eaten by the PRC during the Cold War?
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Rhadamanthus
Oct 28 2009, 06:39 PM
Ulgania
Oct 28 2009, 06:30 PM
Strange, didn't the USSR, shall we say punish Mongolia in the Cold War? I could see that being a slight strain on the idea. But, there's also the idea that the east-to-west population movement in Russia could usher in an army of Central-Asians to the cause.

Seeing some border shifts in Europe would be nice. EU bureaucrats have too much power right now.
Wasn't the USSR the only that kept the MPR from being eaten by the PRC during the Cold War?
First protecting it from the Japanese, then the PRC, the Polits were such nice guys to Mongolia :shy: :love:
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Yeah I would agree with a lot of what they have to say and believe in on paper, but personal character of the leadership would probably be the turn off.

You know its truly a shame that Hitler never changed the Nazi party's name from National Socialist to something more suiting like the Hitler party. I mean, especially in the latter years of its reign it was hardly socialist and really not all that nationalistic. Maybe its my own personal thoughts on what a true nationalist socialist party should be, but I mean if you take it word for word it really wouldn't be all that bad of a political party.
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Oct 28 2009, 05:42 PM
I like their views on economics, philosophically though not realistically, their views on corporal punishment, though it will never be implemented, their views on the environment, which make perfect sense really, their views on education reform, and their views on immigration. If I were British, I would consider voting BNP.

But I wouldn't, because the entirety of their program is what one calls a wolf in sheeps clothing, isn't it? Their leadership is racist. Griffen has two dogs named Anne and Frank. Griffen was a white supremacist in the past, and likely is today. The rest of the BNP leadership is also just as embarrassing, from the man who said that rape being sex, woman enjoy rape much more than theft, to the skinhead thugs that make up their membership.

They're a good party, in theory. A disgusting group of individuals in reality.

Unfortunately, they're the only party that is right on some key issues for me.
That's exactly the kind of prejudice that leads to people opposing the BNP.

The majority of BNP voters are middle class, married whites. The "racist minority" that makes up the BNP is dominated by the retired "get off my lawn" old foggy types. The skinhead "typical" BNP member makes up less than 1% of the membership.

As for Griffen, his dogs are called "Belle" and "Otto". The Anne Frank thing was a rumour spread by David Cameron (leader of the Conservative Party - set to be the next PM so long as they don't lose crucial votes to the BNP like they did in the local elections).

There is massive media hype and flat out lies being told about the BNP and its membership to discredit it. And these lies are spread and facilitated by political correctness.

Griffen is a white supremacist. So what? So long as he keeps his personal views out of national law, he can believe whatever stupid ideology he likes.

As for the "rape" thing what was said was this:

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.

"A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched."

Please bear in mind, if you meet a woman in a bar and buy her a drink then have sex with her later that evening then you are committing rape under UK law.

Also bear in mind that this comment was made on a political blog (in 2005 - the comments came to light in 2008 as part of a smear campaign when he ran for mayor) that was in no way affliated with the BNP. He even posted under a psydonym.

And don't forget that he was severely chastised by his party for posting that (the BNP removed him from the mayoral candidacy decididng that they didn't want him to represent the party). He was later kicked out of the BNP.

As an aside


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I don't support the BNP because their policies are all based on enchanting the disenfranchised by offering unrealisitic promises to fix the UK's problems.

That's why people shouldn't support the BNP. Not because of racism lies spread by the media looking to make a buck or the rumours spread by the decriped political parties scared of losing voters.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 29 2009, 02:37 PM.
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One of the ads I got on this page attempted to launch a malware attack which my security software intercepted.
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Oct 29 2009, 05:06 PM
One of the ads I got on this page attempted to launch a malware attack which my security software intercepted.
Shit! :lol:

This is a maleficent thread...
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 29 2009, 05:08 PM.
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They are disguised fascists...nothing more...
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I went to look for this ad, then realized that I'm using a user script which eliminates ads without leaving a hole in the layout. It's quite useful. I recommend you look into it. Apparently it guards against that kind of attack.
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It was the kind that pretends to run a fake spyware scan. I'll look into the script that Al Araam mentioned though.
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Oct 29 2009, 06:11 PM.
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I oubt it is the Ann Coulter Ad.

I got no problem with the BNP, but I can understand why some do. It is a nationalist movement, keep Britain pure, yada yada yada. Hell, as a half Brit (well, some 300 years ago) I would probably support them if I was there.

What's your beef, Nag?
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My beef is with the national demonstrations, the news constantly calling the BNP "evil" (direct quote from three major papers published in the last week) and idiots trying to limit freedom of speech.

It's also with the Obama-style "change we can believe in just don't ask for any details" style of politics the BNP employs. Like most of the minority parties, their mouth is writing checks they know their butt can't cash with is luring in more and more idiots who mindlessly defend the BNP.

With more and more idiots joining the BNP the mainstream media backlash grows stronger until we get to the point where I can't go one day without hearing about how the BNP are evil Nazi's who want to eat my children.

The population of the UK Earth is dumb.

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Seriously considering voting BNP. Be great if they get a minority in government. With a majority they might try to enact some of their retarded policies, with a minority they'll just shoot down the retarded policies of the other parties.
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