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Evan has been kidnapped.
Topic Started: Oct 18 2009, 10:57 PM (1,698 Views)
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He was not caged for smoking a plant. He was imprisoned for smoking an illegal substance in a public location at a public festival around minors.

I smoke marijuana. I do it in my house. I can count the times the police have come a-knocking and arresting with one hand - and that was once in a dorm room.

And if it were to happen again, I wouldn't pretend I was doing anything noble. I would cooperate, accept my punishment, with the full knowledge I was doing something not permitted under any code. This is what I did last time, and I got off scott-free because I didn't treat the cops like assholes. I laughed and joked with them. They were doing their goddamn jobs, and I'm not sitting here pretending I'm being led to the fucking gulag.

E got a misdemeanor. So be it. Good for him. He is not in prison, and he won't be. Pay the damn fine - you got caught, suck it up, and move on. It's not persecution. The cops didn't say - let's fuck up those Free Staters today. When you guys stuck around your own, you had few problems, apparently. When you decided, fuck, lets go light up in full view of children and their parents and a large part of the taxpayer voting base.

You guys baited, and the cops took the bait. And now you cry about having to give them 420 pieces of paper.

Hah.

E's body is not in a ditch. He is not in a forced labor camp. He spent a night in a county jail. Hell, I can think of worse places to be during such cold weather - like the multitude of homeless on the streets that you guys feel fucking deserve to be there.

We can throw the blame around, and make cracks about inhumanity. I find it vile and disgusting you would throw out welfare and universal healthcare, and laugh at income equality programs. People in poverty tug my heartstrings, I suppose.

People arrested for committing a crime, and getting off no less with a misdemeanor....

What in the hell is there to cry about? I don't dislike E (perceptions aside, I rather like the guy and his hijinks), but he got himself into his mess.
Edited by Union, Oct 19 2009, 12:25 AM.
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In the context of marijuana, you're getting yourself nowhere.

In the context of freedom by and large, you're going backwards (hard to think of a speed slower than nowhere).

Short of posting something along the lines of, well, saying "reading that made me bleed out my eyes", I really feel like you have a spritely mind that could go far more places than you've narrowed it to. By insisting on an insurrection in the future, you've shirked responsibility of rational argument.

As for E, my sympathies go out to him, but we're not really being heartless. He made a conscious decision to do something that resulted in him being charged with a crime that he knowing committed. It's all expected. And, as time goes on, all of it has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
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Oct 19 2009, 12:05 AM
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Oct 19 2009, 12:03 AM
To be fair, I don't think Huesca considers E a friend, and Atticus has only been around for a month and I don't think he considers E a friend either.
Friend, acquaintance, fellow human being.... it doesn't matter the relation, you still can't apologize for something so fucking brutal and inhumane.
That wasn't an apologia, that was an attempt at ultra-dry humor.
I have to admit though, Keene is not the ideal place for the Free State Project. The town basically subsists off the local state college. It's not a kosher place. Anarchists should not be ideological hangers-on subsisting off the artificial economic activity "stimulated" by the education-industrial complex.
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That's why the focus on marijuana anyway - to get support from the college kiddies. :lol:

Cause goddamn, when you start burning effigies of the good statist obama, lets see you drum up as much support! :lol:
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Watch it. This has gone too far on several occasions already.
Edited by Al Araam, Oct 19 2009, 12:17 AM.
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That's why the focus on marijuana anyway - to get support from the college kiddies. :lol:

Cause goddamn, when you start burning effigies of the good statist obama, lets see you drum up as much support! :lol:


I wasn't being dryly humorous there. Fuck college towns. :angry:

Anyways. I'm going to loosen up with some leftover fried chicken now. :)
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 19 2009, 12:18 AM.
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A black man sitting at a diner in Alabama was illegal once. People did it anyway, in front of the police, knowing they would be arrested, and were. Many times over and over again. It seemed incredibly counter-productive to do this at the time, but eventually, the law was changed, mostly because individuals had the courage to disobey the law, one person at a time.

Yes, E faces a fine. He also faces a possible year in jail if some judge decides to throw the book at him. That is 360 days in jail people. Not a very pleasant thought.

All laws can be changed by the actions of individuals. It seems outrageous to me that the police would bother arresting someone at a small protest at a festival. Why did they bother? Because it was the law. Is it a good law? No. Does E have the right to protest that law by breaking it? Absolutely. Lets give him some support. He showed some real courage there. Smarts? No. Courage? Yes.

It might be time for me, Nag and CE to go on another little adventure!
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1.) Does this mean E has seriously been arrested? If so, I'm pissed off. I consider him a friend, at least in terms of this board, and as he is a very prominent member in this community, I would hate to see him go. If I had the power to spring him, I would.

2.) Those of you that have spoken so heartlessly should be ashamed. E is a friend. So he broke the law. Most of us have broken the law at some point or another. Smoking pot is hardly an offense. I myself hate the smell, but that is beside the point. Stop being hypocrites.

3.) I will say he was lucky he wasn't taken away by corrupt cops. In Lawton, mouthing off would get you a beating, any kind of aggression can get you killed, and likely the cops would trump up some extra charges and would have arrested anyone around him as well. So consider yourselves somewhat lucky. The world is a lot uglier in other places.

All this said, I don't have much time. I'm in class. I couldn't watch the video. More to come later.
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Oct 19 2009, 09:34 AM
A black man sitting at a diner in Alabama was illegal once. People did it anyway, in front of the police, knowing they would be arrested, and were. Many times over and over again. It seemed incredibly counter-productive to do this at the time, but eventually, the law was changed, mostly because individuals had the courage to disobey the law, one person at a time.

Yes, E faces a fine. He also faces a possible year in jail if some judge decides to throw the book at him. That is 360 days in jail people. Not a very pleasant thought.

All laws can be changed by the actions of individuals. It seems outrageous to me that the police would bother arresting someone at a small protest at a festival. Why did they bother? Because it was the law. Is it a good law? No. Does E have the right to protest that law by breaking it? Absolutely. Lets give him some support. He showed some real courage there. Smarts? No. Courage? Yes.

It might be time for me, Nag and CE to go on another little adventure!
This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

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I don't agree with some who say that police are the evil here, they have a job to do, whether they agree with the laws they enforce or not. I am disappointed at anyone who is happy to see a friend thrown in jail. E definitely showed some courage standing up for what he believes in, especially when you consider the threat of jail time.... That kind of courage earns my respect. I highly doubt E will actually be sentenced to jail time though.... It was just a little pot.
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People don't belong in cages.

I hope that none of you will ever be treated as inhumanely as I was these past few days.

Fresh air tastes good.

EDIT: And Atticus, why don't you do a little research first. I suggest googling "weed cures cancer," (the claim that you dismissed out of hand,) and actually reading about the research that has been done on this extremely beneficial plant.
Edited by East Anarx, Oct 19 2009, 12:28 PM.
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Oct 19 2009, 12:07 PM
People don't belong in cages.

I hope that none of you will ever be treated as inhumanely as I was these past few days.

Fresh air tastes good.
Glad you're back, E. Still, you were not "kidnapped." When you perform illegal activities and throw it in the face of the police, you lose all license to bitch when they do their job and enforce the law. The fact that the law is stupid changes nothing.
Edited by Abnar, Oct 19 2009, 12:29 PM.
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Good to see it wasn't too serious. Still, I sympathize. I understand.

Just don't come to Lawton, E.
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Oct 19 2009, 09:34 AM
It might be time for me, Nag and CE to go on another little adventure!
This I look forward too
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Oct 19 2009, 12:30 PM
Good to see it wasn't too serious. Still, I sympathize. I understand.

Just don't come to Lawton, E.
What kind of police would they be if they went soft in a place called LAWton?
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All I can say is that I'm thankful for my Government, my dad got asbestos cancer when I was three months old(And the job he got it from didn't pay up).

Thanks to the government backed University of Florida, they helped keep him alive an extra eight years.

Thanks to government programs, they helped pay for his medical care, since there was no way we could pay for it.

Thanks to the government, I have a career and education.
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Good to see you back E.
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Welcome back E.

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Oct 19 2009, 09:34 AM
A black man sitting at a diner in Alabama was illegal once. People did it anyway, in front of the police, knowing they would be arrested, and were. Many times over and over again. It seemed incredibly counter-productive to do this at the time, but eventually, the law was changed, mostly because individuals had the courage to disobey the law, one person at a time.

Yes, E faces a fine. He also faces a possible year in jail if some judge decides to throw the book at him. That is 360 days in jail people. Not a very pleasant thought.

All laws can be changed by the actions of individuals. It seems outrageous to me that the police would bother arresting someone at a small protest at a festival. Why did they bother? Because it was the law. Is it a good law? No. Does E have the right to protest that law by breaking it? Absolutely. Lets give him some support. He showed some real courage there. Smarts? No. Courage? Yes.

It might be time for me, Nag and CE to go on another little adventure!
I forget, did the black civil rights movement hate all the cops - showing nothing but unwashed disrespect or did they just hate the crooked, racist, power-hungry cops?

Because these anarchists seem to hate all cops. Or do they just hate the crooked, racist, power-hungry cops - it's hard to tell? :P

I support civil disobedience. If you want a law changed you set forth a proposal to change the law, you go through the proper channels and you exercise the freedom you wish you had. And if you get caught exercising the freedom you don't have then you face the penalty of law - but you face it like a man and take the punishment you brought down on yourself.

I especially liked the part that was all like "you can boo but don't stop them" - now that's peaceful protest.

So... I tip my hat to you E. I don't tip my hat to you for reasons you support or agree with, but I tip my hat none-the-less. Good show old sport, good show.

Kudos aside: seriously guys, don't smoke weed around little kids. That's messed up. Show some responsibility.


Also, weed does not cure cancer. THC (like most other poisons) slows the rate of tumour growth. Tumours are living cells that multiply rapidly - anything bad for you is worse for a tumour (this is kinda the foundation of all cancer treatments). Of course, THC is a relatively safe compound (especially when compared to other tumour inhibitors). But slowing the rate that tumours grow and kill you isn't the same as healing you. Especially if you smoke it - then you're encouraging new tumour growth.
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Glad to see you're alive and well, E. Sounds like there's a good chance they won't end up throwing the book at you, and I hope that's true.
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Oct 19 2009, 02:51 PM
Also, weed does not cure cancer. THC (like most other poisons) slows the rate of tumour growth. Tumours are living cells that multiply rapidly - anything bad for you is worse for a tumour (this is kinda the foundation of all cancer treatments). Of course, THC is a relatively safe compound (especially when compared to other tumour inhibitors). But slowing the rate that tumours grow and kill you isn't the same as healing you. Especially if you smoke it - then you're encouraging new tumour growth.
According to wikipedia (and various scientific journals)...

In a certain brain cancer THC not only inhibits tumor growth but also kills tumor cells while leaving healthy cells intact. Not sure if THC alone could beat back the cancer to remission though, but then again few if any cancer treatments can singlehandedly "cure" cancer without being in combination with other therapies.

Of course, in this study the THC was a purified, liquid solution pumped directly into the skull in the vicinity of the tumor by a calibrated pump machine.

Smoking marijuana doesn't appear to have an effect either way on the primary tumor, though it doesn't promote cancer either (including lung cancer). Even the Muslims like the cannabis, and the Muslims hate alcohol so you know they have the Nixon in China credibility factor going on. Look to Allah for guidance.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 19 2009, 03:49 PM.
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In the spirit of this subject, check this out:

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/living-well-usn/2009/10/19/health-buzz-new-federal-policy-on-medical-marijuana-and-other-health-news.html

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New Federal Guidelines on Medical Marijuana

New guidelines to be issued today will cut medical marijuana distributors some slack in the 14 states that have laws permitting use of the drug for medical reasons, the Associated Press reports. Shifting away from the Bush administration's strict approach to prosecuting medical marijuana users and suppliers, the current administration will not look to arrest those who operate in accordance with state law, the AP reports. Instead, the guidelines urge federal prosecutors to focus their resources on people who violate those state laws or use medical marijuana as a cover for illegal activities, according to the AP.
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Yeah. I was happy to see that news. It always seemed pretty foolish for the Feds to arrest people acting in perfect accordance with state law. Rubbed me the wrong way.
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 19 2009, 03:44 PM
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Oct 19 2009, 02:51 PM
Also, weed does not cure cancer. THC (like most other poisons) slows the rate of tumour growth. Tumours are living cells that multiply rapidly - anything bad for you is worse for a tumour (this is kinda the foundation of all cancer treatments). Of course, THC is a relatively safe compound (especially when compared to other tumour inhibitors). But slowing the rate that tumours grow and kill you isn't the same as healing you. Especially if you smoke it - then you're encouraging new tumour growth.
According to wikipedia (and various scientific journals)...

In a certain brain cancer THC not only inhibits tumor growth but also kills tumor cells while leaving healthy cells intact. Not sure if THC alone could beat back the cancer to remission though, but then again few if any cancer treatments can singlehandedly "cure" cancer without being in combination with other therapies.

Of course, in this study the THC was a purified, liquid solution pumped directly into the skull in the vicinity of the tumor by a calibrated pump machine.

Smoking marijuana doesn't appear to have an effect either way on the primary tumor, though it doesn't promote cancer either (including lung cancer). Even the Muslims like the cannabis, and the Muslims hate alcohol so you know they have the Nixon in China credibility factor going on. Look to Allah for guidance.
THC is very safe, relatively speaking. To go from pleasant stimulus to fatal overdose, you need to up the dosage by something like 10,000% (don't quote me on that - go look it up, it's something ridiculous - might be 100,000%). Plus brain cells don't multiply much while tumours do. So it's not really surprising that if you inject whooping great quantities of it into the human brain it kills off tumours while leaving healthy cells intact.

As for cannabis not causing cancer. It does. Here's a couple of links I pulled off google:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/141891.stm
http://www.ukcia.org/research/AdverseEffectsOfCannabis.pdf
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In Canada, if you smoke marijuana in a inappropriate public place, the cops will usually confiscate all your stuff and give you a verbal warning. They won't arrest you or give you a fine for that.

During outdoor shows, I have seen many times people smoking pot while there were cops nearby. The cops didn't bother.

Marijuana is still illegal in Canada, but it is so widespread and accepted by the general public that the law is not enforced.
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Apparently, depending on which government agency you believe, a lethal dose of marijuana is either one-third of your body weight or 1500 pounds consumed all at once. I'm curious how one could possibly kill oneself by overdosing on cannabis. I think it would have to be a hell of a scenario.
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