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Mafia XII: Bloodbath in Suwalki, a Prelude to WWII; Self-aligned player wins
Topic Started: Oct 14 2009, 09:08 PM (3,997 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Al Araam
Oct 20 2009, 03:40 AM
I, for one, think it's nifty how you can just line up the deaths of first one person, then three people who you have little or no reason to suspect are spies. That's quite a talent. I'll be waiting eagerly to see who makes your top five.
I would say the top 5 are Allesandra, Nag, Araam, Abnar, and Huesca.

I've come to agree with Huesca though. The cop may need to reveal the result of Night 1's investigation even if it is a townie. We have too few clues to work with and too few comments by certain players.
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Oct 19 2009, 06:11 PM
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Oct 19 2009, 06:07 PM
Hell, did anyone here suspect NH in the least?
I ALWAYS suspect NH. :lol:

Him, Q, and E always give me a bad vibe.
The feeling is mutual. And the dog would indeed help your credibility.

EDIT: Also, while I agree with TC that Al is suspicious, I'm even more suspicious of TC himself. I'll refrain from voting for now but I'm leaning towards voting TC.
Edited by East Anarx, Oct 20 2009, 11:19 AM.
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
I'm begging the cop, investigate me tonight.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Vote: TC

Why?

Because I want to. That's why.

Now who was on my list of German mafia... TC and Abnar. Hmm.

Still suspect Abnar. Pushing his innocence far too much.

RD is being shifty. But I'm keeping my vote on TC. Now lemme go check when the day ends...

[Edit]

It's currently 12:55 EST right? So I've got eight hours to bargain for my life (unless we hit the auto lynch quota)?
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 20 2009, 11:55 AM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Now the anti-TC mafia is coming out of the clockwork. The cop should investigate me tonight.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Ah, screw it. Much as I know I can play off TC's most recent post to drum up an anti-TC vote. I'm going to be bold with my mafia declarations.

Unvote: TC
Vote: RD


I think RD is mafia.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 20 2009, 01:48 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Do you have a rationale for voting RD?

(I'm not questioning your vote, since I find RD perpetually suspicious. I'm just looking for a satisfactory rationale to convince me RD is guilty.)
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 20 2009, 03:02 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 20 2009, 11:53 AM
Vote: TC

Why?

Because I want to. That's why.

Now who was on my list of German mafia... TC and Abnar. Hmm.

Still suspect Abnar. Pushing his innocence far too much.

RD is being shifty. But I'm keeping my vote on TC. Now lemme go check when the day ends...

[Edit]

It's currently 12:55 EST right? So I've got eight hours to bargain for my life (unless we hit the auto lynch quota)?
Quite a few interesting statements here Nag. "Because I want to. That's why." doesn't exactly instill confidence especially after the quick vote-switch in my direction. Also the "Now lemme go check when the day ends..." suggests you have an investigative role. That could be a number of things: Cop, Nazi (since they get to investigate tonight), or maybe some secret role with investigative powers that has not been publically revealed. You were the only one to accuse NH, the Soviet, so a Nazi position is possible.

I was going to vote Abnar this morning, but I held off because I don't use NS during class - but his continual insistence on the Cop investigating him suggests to me that he probably isn't a spy (unless he has some kind of reverse miller role).

Can we have a vote count, Paradise?

And if it comes down to it, I am prepared to reveal my role (though I'd rather not); its an interesting role, and can be verified fairly easily.
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Vote count

Nag: 3 (Lebowski, TC, Abnar)
TC: 1 (Al Araam)
Abnar: 1 (Huesca)
RD: 1 (Nag)

Needed for lynch: 7
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 20 2009, 03:01 PM
Do you have a rationale for voting RD?

(I'm not questioning your vote, since I find RD perpetually suspicious. I'm just looking for a satisfactory rationale to convince me RD is guilty.)
Yes. I have a rational. But as it's the same gut feeling that tells me to vote against you...

But I digest. Lemme tear into RD's post:

"Quite a few interesting statements here Nag. "Because I want to. That's why." doesn't exactly instill confidence especially after the quick vote-switch in my direction."
Voted for NH based on that logic.

People are shifty. Mafia doubly so. You're shifty. You're setting off my scum alarm.


"Also the "Now lemme go check when the day ends..." suggests you have an investigative role."

It suggests that I'm concerned with maximising discussion and not getting lynched. It might suggest that I'm eager for night time - but that doesn't mean an investigative role. I could be the Pole with a Shotgun.

"That could be a number of things: Cop, Nazi (since they get to investigate tonight), or maybe some secret role with investigative powers that has not been publically revealed. You were the only one to accuse NH, the Soviet, so a Nazi position is possible."

I accused NH, it's true. How would that make me a Nazi? Nazis haven't had the chance to investigate - so I couldn't have known he was a Soviet that way. Additionally, why would a Nazi be more likely to peg a Soviet than a Cop?

"I was going to vote Abnar this morning, but I held off because I don't use NS during class - but his continual insistence on the Cop investigating him suggests to me that he probably isn't a spy (unless he has some kind of reverse miller role)."

Would not surprise me. But then if the cop reveals himself, who will protect the cop. And if a mafia player roleclaims the cop... (well, at least we have two mafias to take care of such claims).

"And if it comes down to it, I am prepared to reveal my role (though I'd rather not); its an interesting role, and can be verified fairly easily."

Reveal away.
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VOTE: Nag

I've been convinced by the others. He said nothing to his defense, choosing instead to vote TC, the main antagonist again him. 2 hours later, with no extra information being offered, he changed his vote to RD with no reasoning (that I've seen).

However, I'd like to see him speak again, so no one else vote him yet! We don't want to kill him...yet.
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I don't claim not to be suspicious.

Nor do I claim to be voting on anything but instinct.

But Telosan has been "convinced by the others" eh?

Which others? Who's convinced you? How have they convinced you?

Unvote: RD
Vote: Telosan
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Tristan da Cunha
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It suggests that I'm concerned with maximising discussion and not getting lynched. It might suggest that I'm eager for night time - but that doesn't mean an investigative role. I could be the Pole with a Shotgun.


If that is your role then claim it or you'll just get lynched today.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 20 2009, 03:25 PM.
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Nag: A few responses.

Good point on the Cop. The call to investigate for verification should not be given the weight that I had assigned it. Thanks.

I will reveal my role, as I said, if it comes down to it. If enough others agree with your suspicions, I will follow through with that promise, but as of yet, I don't think it necessary, because I don't think I'm suspicious and I don't think I've given anyone any cause to be suspicious.

I wasn't suggesting that you were a Nazi (or Cop) because you would have investigated NH, since obviously you couldn't have. What I meant is that as a Nazi, you would know who wasn't a Nazi and could call them out. As a Nazi, you would 1) have the ability to investigate tonight (since I thought you were suggesting you had an investigative role), and 2) have known on Day 1 that NH was not on your team and thus be willing to lead a vote against him. Doesn't mean you are a Nazi, but it does seem like a plausible hypothesis, with some facts behind it.

Well, I consider you to be scummy and possible mafia as well, as my prior point perhaps illustrates. But I don't want to vote for you currently, since I don't want to push you higher and allow for bandwagons by the other mafia to end the day early.
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Telosan
Oct 20 2009, 03:18 PM
VOTE: Nag

I've been convinced by the others. He said nothing to his defense, choosing instead to vote TC, the main antagonist again him. 2 hours later, with no extra information being offered, he changed his vote to RD with no reasoning (that I've seen).

However, I'd like to see him speak again, so no one else vote him yet! We don't want to kill him...yet.
Why are you voting for him if you don't want anyone else to vote for him?
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 20 2009, 03:24 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
 
It suggests that I'm concerned with maximising discussion and not getting lynched. It might suggest that I'm eager for night time - but that doesn't mean an investigative role. I could be the Pole with a Shotgun.


If that is your role then claim it or you'll just get lynched today.
I claim to be an innocent townsperson.

There's four votes for me. That's looking like a lynch. I urge those who have not voted for me to vote for the other people they find suspicious. Don't let anyone else get about three votes though if you think I'm the scummiest player.

If we see mafia bandwagoning to kill someone who isn't me right at the end of the day then so much the better. A mafia will have overplayed themselves and can be picked off.

If we don't see an end of day bandwagon, then I'll get killed off. Boo hoo.

I see no reason for anyone else to vote for me when there's no danger of anyone but me getting lynched. But what I'd like to see is some more discussion.

[Edit]

Going to bed in twenty minutes (22:00 BST). Would really love to take part in some more discussion before... you know... *makes a cut throat gesture* :shy:
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 20 2009, 03:42 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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The day is not ending until 2100 Wednesday EST... is that 0100 Thursday in England or something?
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Oct 20 2009, 03:43 PM
The day is not ending until 2100 Wednesday EST... is that 0100 Thursday in England or something?
...

For some reason I thought tonight was Wednesday.

Don't mind me then.
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Who hasn't voted yet?

Why have they not voted yet?
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I haven't voted yet. Mostly because I'm busy with school, and otherwise because I don't want to kill someone who might turn out to be on my side.

But, Huesca and Telosan are still looking suspicious to me....I just can't decide for sure which one might be a baddie.
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Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 20 2009, 03:21 PM
I don't claim not to be suspicious.

Nor do I claim to be voting on anything but instinct.

But Telosan has been "convinced by the others" eh?

Which others? Who's convinced you? How have they convinced you?

Unvote: RD
Vote: Telosan
TC, who I also find suspicious, has made a good argument, along with Abnar. Their points seem valid to me. I've also observed on my own that you seem to be acting differently.

BTW, I thought I established rapid vote flipping as scummy.

RD, I'm voting for him because it puts him on the edge, but still alive. I want my words to have value since I've been quiet this game, rather than be something tht appears to have been said just to show I'm still here. If I was a spy, Nazi or Soviet, I could have Nag killed by having my fellow spy/spies vote for Nag. That statement is suspicious as well since there is a possibility that I'm the second/third spy to vote, but that'd be strategicaly pointless since my vote isn't the killing blow.

I'm not defending myself further unless I'm in danger of being lynched. I'm going back to being quiet. I'm not roleclaiming, and I don't want to draw attention from the Soviets tonight or the Nazis, but killing me would hurt he town. It wouldn't be disasterous, but it would hurt.
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I always look suspicious to you Allesandra.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Huesca and Allesandra should be put to death.
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VOTE FOR ME! VOTE FOR ME! I'M THE ESKIMO SPY!

THE COP SHOULD INVESTIGATE ME TO PROVE IT!

....

Ok really, you guys who said the cop should investigate them are either idiots, want to lose, or are really slippery scum.

I digress....

I've said it before TC is a lose cannon, we can never truly trust him, his votes all seemed based of almost nothing.

BUT

RD is too quite for RD. He is considered one of the AWESOME L33T MAFIA PLAYERS, and normally he likes to point out this and that, but I think him and his Soviet buddy, NH, decided to lay low. I have no idea who the other Soviet is, I doubt all three would adopt the same strategy, but RD and NH are smart enough to work together like that.

Vote: RD
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The reason Nag no longer strikes me as mafia is there hasn't been people coming out of the woodwork to defend Nag. This means both mafias are satisfied with the Nag vote.

Unvote: Nag
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 20 2009, 06:40 PM.
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