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Mafia XII: Bloodbath in Suwalki, a Prelude to WWII; Self-aligned player wins
Topic Started: Oct 14 2009, 09:08 PM (3,998 Views)
Al Araam
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Seems a little too obvious to me. If he had the choice of anyone to assassinate, then why implicate himself in a manner that obvious? I think it's more likely that the mafia want Nag dead but don't want to implicate themselves in his death. I'm more interested to see who would wants Nag dead than who Nag wants dead. Then again, maybe that's what he wants us to think. Which brings us full circle.

Damn, this game is indeed hard.
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Tristan da Cunha
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I want Nag dead... for now...
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Abnar
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 19 2009, 11:13 PM
Nice going trying to pin your voting habits on me. Your vote is yours, I'm not responsible for your vote.

I will change my vote to Nag though. He was the only person who voted NH yesterday.

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I'm just saying that the vote for Nag is supported by someone else's logic, and now that you've tacked your vote on, that's largely superfluous. You guys keep jumping on the most minor parts of my posts.
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Abnar
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Al Araam
Oct 19 2009, 11:17 PM
Seems a little too obvious to me. If he had the choice of anyone to assassinate, then why implicate himself in a manner that obvious? I think it's more likely that the mafia want Nag dead but don't want to implicate themselves in his death. I'm more interested to see who would wants Nag dead than who Nag wants dead. Then again, maybe that's what he wants us to think. Which brings us full circle.

Damn, this game is indeed hard.
He slipped. That's what this game relies on. There's no point in trying to figure out reverse-reverse-reverse psychology, because it could just as easily be reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology. Play it as you see it.
Edited by Abnar, Oct 19 2009, 11:34 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Abnar
Oct 19 2009, 11:33 PM
Tristan da Cunha
Oct 19 2009, 11:13 PM
Nice going trying to pin your voting habits on me. Your vote is yours, I'm not responsible for your vote.

I will change my vote to Nag though. He was the only person who voted NH yesterday.

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I'm just saying that the vote for Nag is supported by someone else's logic, and now that you've tacked your vote on, that's largely superfluous. You guys keep jumping on the most minor parts of my posts.
Which of my line of logic supports your vote for Nag? What was this so-called "TC School of Speculation" you spoke of in your previous post?
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM.
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Abnar
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM
Which of my line of logic supports your vote for Nag? What is this so-called "TC School of Speculation" you speak of?
The nonchalant speculation thing that we discussed for about 2/3 of a page. Nag offhandedly decided to name a full team of 3 alleged mafiates. Don't get me wrong, I still don't think speculation is a tell, but my vote for Nag happens to subscribe to your logic as well as my own.
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Hmm good point. My powers of observation are failing me.

But according to my ironclad logic, after Nag is hanged Abnar must be hanged too.
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VOTE: Nag

Here's my logic for the moment:

NH and Nag traded votes, but NH initially defended Nag, noting that he is "probably town".

Only after other players had accrued votes did Nag log on, note that he "rants more when he's town", cast a vote for NH because "he's a nazi" (attempt at lightly veiled irony?) then proceed to hardly rant at all - a sign he himself identified as meaning that he's more likely to be mafia.

The trading of votes between mafia members is certainly not a novel idea, and speculating that he will be killed at night could be daring the opposing spies to allow him to live (albeit this is the weakest point of my reasoning).
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Abnar
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lebowski2123
Oct 19 2009, 11:43 PM
VOTE: Nag

Here's my logic for the moment:

NH and Nag traded votes, but NH initially defended Nag, noting that he is "probably town".

Only after other players had accrued votes did Nag log on, note that he "rants more when he's town", cast a vote for NH because "he's a nazi" (attempt at lightly veiled irony?) then proceed to hardly rant at all - a sign he himself identified as meaning that he's more likely to be mafia.

The trading of votes between mafia members is certainly not a novel idea, and speculating that he will be killed at night could be daring the opposing spies to allow him to live (albeit this is the weakest point of my reasoning).
Sound points all, good to have 'em in one place.
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Nice. Lebowski is good.
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Abnar
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By the way, Nag currently has 3 votes, let's assume a max of 2 mafiates left on NH's team, that means he's 2 votes away from the danger zone.

Anyone have a read on anyone who isn't Nag?

EDIT: Not to mention we should hear from Nag himself before we off him.
Edited by Abnar, Oct 19 2009, 11:56 PM.
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Why does everyone hate the Polish.
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Union
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Abnar.

The guy reeks.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Oct 19 2009, 11:59 PM
Abnar.

The guy reeks.
We'll hang Abnar tomorrow.

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Why does everyone hate the Polish.

They're a dirty, dirty people.
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Abnar
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Oct 20 2009, 12:00 AM
Huesca
Oct 19 2009, 11:59 PM
Abnar.

The guy reeks.
We'll hang Abnar tomorrow.

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Why does everyone hate the Polish.

They're a dirty, dirty people.
Being both Abnar and Polish, I'm offended by both parts of this post.
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flumes
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I've realized I strayed too much from my original school of scum these past few games and that is why I have been so far off base... I'm going to sleep. Vote to come tomorrow, well actually tomorrow is my busy day so maybe not til Wednesday.
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Abnar
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Could the cop please investigate me tonight, by the way?
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Al Araam
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Wasn't Atticus the cop-equivalent? If not then what exactly did the Polish Spy do?
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Al Araam
Oct 20 2009, 12:48 AM
Wasn't Atticus the cop-equivalent? If not then what exactly did the Polish Spy do?
No.. I believe the Miller is someone who is innocent, but appears guilty if investigated. Otherwise, just a normal townie... May be wrong.
Edit: So since he was a polish spy, maybe he would've been investigated innocent? Yeah, I'm 90% sure that is it.

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Could the cop please investigate me tonight, by the way?

:huh:
Edited by flumes, Oct 20 2009, 12:55 AM.
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Al Araam
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TC indicated that he would be hung next round. He wants the cop to declare him innocent in hopes that will stave off his demise.

Ah, ok. I get it now. I had no idea what Miller-equivalent meant.

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Or he's just attempting to appear open so that the Cop wouldn't waste tonight investigating him. There are always so many motivations. It would be foolish for the cop to burn a night turn investigating someone who isn't mafia. If they discover one of the Soviets/Nazis, they might be able to save some lives, but if they waste their time investigating Abnar, if he is indeed innocent, then they may well be pulling the trigger on a couple people themselves. Motivations are never simple in this game.
Edited by Al Araam, Oct 20 2009, 01:04 AM.
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Nonsense. Declaring a man's innocence is as important as convicting them. If we can determine Abnar's innocence beyond a doubt, it saves us an accidental townie death.

That being said, I would rather investigate Nag and lynch Abnar. Abnar simply appears scummier, and his play that we waste an investigation on him seems dubious.
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Tristan da Cunha
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The cop should NOT reveal an innocent player's status this early in the game. Information about an innocent player is relatively useless early on in the game because there are still numerous townies alive... so information on one townie does not significantly decrease the statistical chance of an accidental townie death, while betraying the cop's cover. Huesca's comment is suspicious.

How about this:

Let's lynch Nag today, investigate Huesca tonight, vigilante-kill Araam tonight, and lynch Abnar tomorrow.

Also we need to keep an eye on RD and Allesandra. I'm not claiming they are guilty or not guilty, but in the instances that they are guilty, they are exceedingly difficult to kill, because of RD's snake like lawyerly powers of rhetoric and because Allesandra always keeps a low profile and no one ever mentions lynching her until it's too late. Always keep them in the conversation.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 20 2009, 03:33 AM.
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Al Araam
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I, for one, think it's nifty how you can just line up the deaths of first one person, then three people who you have little or no reason to suspect are spies. That's quite a talent. I'll be waiting eagerly to see who makes your top five.
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flumes
Oct 20 2009, 12:53 AM
No.. I believe the Miller is someone who is innocent, but appears guilty if investigated. Otherwise, just a normal townie... May be wrong.
Edit: So since he was a polish spy, maybe he would've been investigated innocent? Yeah, I'm 90% sure that is it.
Well, since Atticus is dead and for the sake of clarity, I will copy-paste the role I sent to Atticus. I can do this because I'm the GM, no other player is allowed to reveal his role that way (rule #1):
Paradise (to Atticus)
 
You are the Polish spy (Town-aligned). You were sent here by the Polish government to watch the meeting. You have no special ability, but when investigated you will appear to be a Spy (enemy of the Town). You can also vote for the daily lynch.
Edited by Paradise, Oct 20 2009, 05:50 AM.
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According to the TC Theory of Speculation, Nag looks scummy.


You say that people are focusing on little things, but distancing your vote is exactly something I called you on yesterday.
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