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| Topic Started: Oct 12 2009, 10:09 AM (757 Views) | |
| Union | Oct 12 2009, 10:09 AM Post #1 |
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Should Avignon be the official Papal seat, or the residence of French anti-popes? :evil: If the latter, what should be done about the Roman pope? Just make Filo the Papal States, under a different name of sorts? Or an NPC? |
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 12 2009, 10:25 AM Post #2 |
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I figured the schism would have been cleared up, as in real life, with the Pope back in Rome by this point. But I would be open to a different outcome if you guys want one. Is Avignon in Toussaint's land, or empty? |
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| Union | Oct 12 2009, 10:26 AM Post #3 |
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It is mine. I've switched nations to RP a Pontiff in Avignon. The question is whether I should make him official or not. I do not want to make him official without consent.
Edited by Union, Oct 12 2009, 10:27 AM.
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 12 2009, 10:31 AM Post #4 |
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Ok, I saw the other thread now. I didn't see it before because I looked at this thread before. Would you want the schism to still be going on? If it is still going on, then I would prefer that neither Pope be declared "official" and rather, that various kings align themself with one Pope or the other depending on their political or other interests. |
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| Union | Oct 12 2009, 10:32 AM Post #5 |
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That's what I'm asking - should there be two Popes, or just the one? If there is just the one, I will RP as "official". If there are two, I will RP as "one of two". But I need to know whether the forum cares if I RP as "official", as I do not want it to be a unilateral decision. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 12 2009, 10:40 AM Post #6 |
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Well, I guess we should see if Filo intended to RP a Pope in Rome. If not, then I'd be fine with you just being the Pope - but if he did, then I'd say two Popes. |
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| Union | Oct 12 2009, 10:47 AM Post #7 |
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Filo! :D Here's an interesting map of support during the schism, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great_schism_1378_1417-C2.jpg Edited by Union, Oct 12 2009, 11:58 AM.
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| Toussaint | Oct 12 2009, 05:52 PM Post #8 |
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Personally, I'd enjoy the latter. :gnarkgnark: |
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| Telosan | Oct 12 2009, 05:58 PM Post #9 |
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There should be a pope in Rome. I also think any religion breaks should wait until we're RPing closer to the Reformation period. |
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| Union | Oct 12 2009, 06:01 PM Post #10 |
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This predates the Reformation, however, and the anti-popes lasted until the late 1440s. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 12 2009, 06:03 PM Post #11 |
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Why would we play an event from this era in a later era? |
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| Draxis | Oct 13 2009, 05:21 PM Post #12 |
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His statement is funny considering how much he has discussed playing actual history out the way it was... :gnarkgnark: |
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 14 2009, 08:00 PM Post #13 |
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Would anyone be willing to compile a list of religions including 1) division into Christian and Muslims (and other if necessary), 2) An indication as to whether a given Eastern nation accepts the Union, and 3) whether a Catholic nation recognizes Avignon or Rome? |
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| Telosan | Oct 14 2009, 08:03 PM Post #14 |
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What... I'm going to need to research now. I don't know what union we're talking about. Give me a few minutes. |
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| Rhadamanthus | Oct 14 2009, 08:07 PM Post #15 |
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It wouldn't affect you anyway, since you are Western. Its the union between East and West that was signed at the Council of Florence. |
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| Union | Oct 14 2009, 08:08 PM Post #16 |
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Avignon or Rome - Which Pope you hold as the true Pope. Union or not - Orthodox nations, whether they support the union between the Pope at ROME and the Patriarch at CONSTANTINOPLE. |
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| New Harumf | Oct 15 2009, 08:51 AM Post #17 |
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We serve the Pope. Portugal and Andalusia Edited by New Harumf, Oct 15 2009, 09:08 AM.
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| Union | Oct 15 2009, 09:00 AM Post #18 |
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After all our support, Mr. Portugal? T-T |
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| New Harumf | Oct 15 2009, 09:08 AM Post #19 |
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Portugal denies ever stating support for Rome, and is currently reviewing the Papal situation. |
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| Telosan | Oct 15 2009, 01:51 PM Post #20 |
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Did a little research on the Council of Florence and this Avignon/Rome thing. My questions are answered for the council, but I got very vague results for the latter. Can someone take a moment to give me a quick, few sentence run down here? Either way, I think Venice is for Rome. |
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| Union | Oct 15 2009, 05:44 PM Post #21 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon_Papacy |
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| Filo | Oct 16 2009, 04:38 AM Post #22 |
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Italy is heir of Lombardrds invaders that destroy italian peninsula. Roma is not Italian Capital(it is Pavia) and so Italy is not Papal states. However Roma may be the seat of the Roman Pontiff, also if it will be a very limited head of Roman catholic churc... Infact is uppose, in this game, that Lombards defedated Franks and pope become more or less as the patriarch of Costantinople, so the Pope si a little more than personal bishop of King of Italy. Anyway both Pope and King of Italy never recognize a Papacy that is not seated in Rome |
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| Union | Oct 16 2009, 10:25 AM Post #23 |
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Do you mind if the Pope is rotated through players by Conclaves, and resides in Rome, but has no other temporal power? |
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| Filo | Oct 17 2009, 06:03 AM Post #24 |
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Well. yes may be funny. |
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| Ulgania | Oct 17 2009, 10:40 AM Post #25 |
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Either way, I have an important need from the Pope to recognize an emperor. A rival Pope would be useful for the Austrians trying to grab power in the Empire right now. |
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