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Map Request Thread; Request yer plots right here!
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM (2,647 Views)
Abnar
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
Thanks much. And the new level of detail is great, way easier to tell what province is what, especially in Italy and central Europe.
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East Anarx
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Yeah, I must express my aesthetic satisfaction with the map. My only criticism is that the NPC nations are still a bit difficult to tell apart from the PC nations.
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Rhadamanthus
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Telosan: What reference did you use to draw the border for the HRE? I like that you broke it into several countries, but I think that that would make it possible for the borders to also encompass player-controlled areas that are traditioanlly within the boundaries of the HRE.
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Abnar
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Rhadamanthus
Nov 10 2009, 06:08 PM
Telosan: What reference did you use to draw the border for the HRE? I like that you broke it into several countries, but I think that that would make it possible for the borders to also encompass player-controlled areas that are traditioanlly within the boundaries of the HRE.
He changed the bolded border after it was written that Poland had annexed Bohemia, in fact.
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Telosan
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These are the reference maps.

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I also used various maps on the individual states to find their borders. Don't forget that I excluded the smaller states and added their lands to the larger ones.

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Rhadamanthus
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Ah, ok. I didn't remember where the border was before.

Generally speaking, the fact that Bohemia is part of Poland, and Poland is not in the HRE, does not mean that Bohemia would cease to be part of the HRE. IIRC, the Netherlands were also in the HRE. There might be other ones as well, but I see no reason the HRE borders should not include player territories where appropriate.
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Telosan
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If people want their nations to be a part of the HRE, I'll redraw it. I assumed everyone wanted their nations independant. Just not today, though. My eyes need to recover.

If Poland annexs Bohemia, wouldn't Bohemia lose it's government and independance? Poland isn't a confederacy, so it's states can't just join the HRE without all of Poland joining.
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Rhadamanthus
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Telosan
Nov 10 2009, 06:30 PM
If people want their nations to be a part of the HRE, I'll redraw it. I assumed everyone wanted their nations independant. Just not today, though. My eyes need to recover.

If Poland annexs Bohemia, wouldn't Bohemia lose it's government and independance? Poland isn't a confederacy, so it's states can't just join the HRE without all of Poland joining.
In the Netherlands case, I may be wrong, but I had gotten the impression that TC was behaving as if they were part of the HRE.

As for Bohemia, I don't know. That is my mistake - I did not check Abnar's history, so I just assumed that Bohemia's continuity would be preserved, as that was the norm in the middle ages.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Yeah, I am playing the Netherlands as part of the HRE. I'm thinking of switching to a Turkish sultanate though, depending on if Drax's friend ever shows up for the appointment at Constantinople.
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Telosan
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Update:

Neatherlands is part of the HRE.

TC, can you please make a nation descriptions page so I can link to it?
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Abnar
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Bohemia was straight-up annexed by King Andrzej I. He actually ended up marrying a Bohemian noblewoman, of the HRE's ruling House of Luxembourg, to ease the transition.
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Sedulius
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I may attempt to make some arrangements between emperors...
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Telosan
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Wouldn't an arrangement be unlikely? Both empires were intense rivals and much of Venice's history revolves around being an intermediary of the two, geographicaly, commercially, and diplomaticaly. Both claimed to be the decendant of the first Roman Empire, so I don't think it'd work well unless one renounced their claim.

I'm going to research the creation of the HRE. Maybe I can attempt to start something similar with the Italian citystates.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Is Draxis' friend showing up? If not I will switch to the Ottomans if that is OK with Draxis.
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Tristan da Cunha
Nov 16 2009, 12:18 AM
Is Draxis' friend showing up? If not I will switch to the Ottomans if that is OK with Draxis.
Last I talked to him he wanted to join... but I don't see whats wrong with you switching over to the Ottomans on the other side of the Bosporus. Especially considering that he wanted to explore different territory with his Ottomans and wanted to be based in the east rather than in the west.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Cool, I shall do that.

I'll reserve Blue 3-1 and 4-1 for now, with the other European-side provinces to be specified later.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Nov 16 2009, 08:08 AM.
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Telosan
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:dry:

I will only do this for you if you promise this is your last change. I'll list your Ottoman empire when you claim the rest and give a name.

For the sake of simplicity, can you take all the European Ottoman provinces? This amounts to twelve provinces, and you could always take the rest from Hungary.

I'd be interested in seeing the history behind this. Maybe after failing in the seige of Constantinople, the Byzantines and their allies regain control of the Aegean sea, severing the east and west Ottomans. That sounds like the most realistic, aside from more than one sultan springing up.
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Tristan da Cunha
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I promise this will be my last change. I apologize for my constant inconveniencing.

12 provinces sounds good.
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Telosan
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Map updated.

NPCs:

The Neatherlands have been reabsorbed into the Duchy of Burgandy, reflecting RL borders.
The Duchy of Burgandy has been added to the HRE, as further research shows it was not independant at the time.
Duchy of Lorraine gained land from Burgandy to more accurately reflect RL borders.
Swabia gained land they otherwise would not have had IRL as it had to go somewhere.

PCs:

TC is now the Western Ottomans, colored in green. Dominates much of the Balklans. Please make a nations description page.
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Telosan
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Bored. Updated the religion map after further research suggesting there were more Avignon Catholics in the HRE.

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Still need to hear from Kas, E, and Lebo as to their nation's religions. Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Lebo? He's been gone for some time.

Kas and TC, I need a nation descriptions page to link to still.

I can't remember who owned the Russian Empire. If no one steps up after some time, I will return it to Novograd and Muscovy because this modern-looking Russia is slightly irritating.

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Updated the alliance map to include the Treaty of Venice ( :D ).
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Abnar
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Russia was owned by Neo-Etrusca, he's only been inactive for a few weeks.
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Telosan
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Alright, I'll leave Russia alone.

Something IC from Lebo would be good though.
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East Anarx
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Telosan
Dec 16 2009, 10:59 PM
Still need to hear from E as to his nation's religion.
"Other"

23% Discordian/Erisian/Claireite
23% Atheist/Agnostic/Irreligious
17% Pagan (Irish/Celtic)
17% Pagan (Icelander/Viking)
17% Pagan (Greenlander/Inuit)
5% Other/Unknown
Edited by East Anarx, Dec 21 2009, 07:12 PM.
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Telosan
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Should I say "Various Native Religions"? I was planning on usuing that for America. Africa. and Asia with the exception of the larger religions.
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East Anarx
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Probably.
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