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Map Request Thread; Request yer plots right here!
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM (2,648 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Sedulius
Oct 24 2009, 03:37 PM
How do I explain...

Before the Ottoman Empire came about, there were several Turkish and Saracen factions. Eventually, the Ottoman Sultanate became the most powerful faction. As the Ottomans are pushed back, surely the other Sultanates and Emirates within would gain more power and perhaps become independent.

The Holy Roman Empire was less an empire and more a confederation. It was several German states banding together, with electors from certain states to elect the Emperor. This is why it so easily crumbled with the Reformation. When the Reformation comes, there would be no unified Germany, but rather several states, some warring, some allied.
Actually it's customary to show the HRE as one unified entity on maps depicting events prior to the 16th century.
For example...
http://www.boisestate.edu/courses/images/maps/europe_1360scaled.jpg
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 26 2009, 08:16 PM.
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Telosan
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There we go, I'll leave it as is.

BTW, I intend on creating a religion map and putting it in the map thread. Could everyone please PM/post their nation's official religion?

Avignon Catholic, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Islam, Jewish, Pagan, etc. Please try to limit yourself to religions existing at the time.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Instead of "Avignon Catholic" and "Roman Catholic" perhaps you can label countries as "Aligned with Avignon Pope" and "Aligned with Roman Pope" as both factions were Roman Catholic.
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I intend to. Just wrote that for ease of reference.

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Since you're sharing your maps, I figured I'd show mine.

This is the map I was referencing while drawing up the borders. It's dated 1477.

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This one is Medieval commerce as of 1450.

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Edited by Telosan, Nov 2 2009, 10:18 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Nice. I see that map shows the internal political borders of the HRE too.
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Sedulius
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The second one has to be a lot earlier than 1460. The Byzantine Empire looks like it's going good and strong.
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Sedulius
Nov 2 2009, 10:16 PM
The second one has to be a lot earlier than 1460. The Byzantine Empire looks like it's going good and strong.
Typo :shy: . Meant 1450.
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Rhadamanthus
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Well, that wouldn't answer Sed's point...

The key is that those designations on that trade map don't represent political regions at the time. For example, Italy does not mean there was a unified Italy. Similarly, the Byzantine Empire marking doesn't intend to say it actually had that land.
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Telosan
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I intend to make a religious and alliances map. Can everyone please PM me their nation's religion? I'll add the alliances as they pop up and grow.

If there are any requests for other types of maps that I can't think of right now, please let me know here.
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Abnar
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If it's all right, I'd like to get involved with an Icelandic state, claiming:

Purple 2-1
Purple 3-1
Orange 1-1

And also the Faroe Islands, which don't appear to be on the map. So a total of 4 province points spent.
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East Anarx
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The Free People of Eylenda don't want an Icelandic state. Sorry.
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Abnar
Nov 9 2009, 09:37 PM
If it's all right, I'd like to get involved with an Icelandic state, claiming:

Purple 2-1
Purple 3-1
Orange 1-1

And also the Faroe Islands, which don't appear to be on the map. So a total of 4 province points spent.
Already taken. Look here.

Anything on the map that is tan, brown, or clay colored is open. They represent the NPC nations, but you're free to change them up as long as you can make a story to explain it.

Alliance map is up. I would like to fill in RL alliances at the time for NPCs, so long as they don't conflict with our alliances. I will need to do further research, though. Suggestions and pointers are welcome.

Religion map is up. I filled in the NPCs as well. If there are any incorrect, please let me know. I used your nation description pages, PMs, and references in RP/conversation to determine your nation's religion.
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Abnar
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Esternarx
Nov 9 2009, 09:55 PM
The Free People of Eylenda don't want an Icelandic state. Sorry.
The Shetland islands are marked as unoccupied, is this not the case?
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Telosan
Nov 9 2009, 10:16 PM
Abnar
Nov 9 2009, 09:37 PM
If it's all right, I'd like to get involved with an Icelandic state, claiming:

Purple 2-1
Purple 3-1
Orange 1-1

And also the Faroe Islands, which don't appear to be on the map. So a total of 4 province points spent.
Already taken. Look here.

Anything on the map that is tan, brown, or clay colored is open. They represent the NPC nations, but you're free to change them up as long as you can make a story to explain it.

Alliance map is up. I would like to fill in RL alliances at the time for NPCs, so long as they don't conflict with our alliances. I will need to do further research, though. Suggestions and pointers are welcome.

Religion map is up. I filled in the NPCs as well. If there are any incorrect, please let me know. I used your nation description pages, PMs, and references in RP/conversation to determine your nation's religion.
Oh, sorry, thought that whole corner was uncolored. Nevermind.
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Oh, sorry, thought that whole corner was uncolored. Nevermind.
That's my hint to change the color, isn't it?

Just pick something else. The Norwegians and Swedes are open. I would actually give the Faroe Islands to the Norwegians since they had control over the seas north of Scotland.
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Telosan
Nov 9 2009, 10:24 PM
Just pick something else. The Norwegians and Swedes are open. I would actually give the Faroe Islands to the Norwegians since they had control over the seas north of Scotland.
That can always change.... :gnarkgnark:
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
Okay, going for Poland instead, as it appears you folks forgot it.

Green:
20-1
21-1
22-1

25-1
26-1
27-1
28-1

30-1
31-1
32-1
33-1

41-1
42-1
43-1
44-1

Basically, Casimir III conquered Bohemia rather than cede Silesia and expand eastward. Does that look right to you history buffs?
Edited by Abnar, Nov 9 2009, 11:32 PM.
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Abnar
Nov 9 2009, 11:31 PM
Okay, going for Poland instead, as it appears you folks forgot it.

Green:
20-1
21-1
22-1

25-1
26-1
27-1
28-1

30-1
31-1
32-1
33-1

41-1
42-1
43-1
44-1

Basically, Casimir III conquered Bohemia rather than cede Silesia and expand eastward. Does that look right to you history buffs?
If that's the case, I'd like to invite you to the Northern Alliance.
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Atticus
Nov 9 2009, 11:56 PM
If that's the case, I'd like to invite you to the Northern Alliance.
Don't quite know where I'm going with the nation yet, but I'll definitely look into it.
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Map updated. Added Abnar's Poland. Ceded remaining unclaimed Polish lands to the neighboring NPC, Lithuania.

Religion map updated. Wales filled in to follow the Avignon pope.
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Telosan
Nov 10 2009, 03:03 PM
Map updated. Added Abnar's Poland. Ceded remaining unclaimed Polish lands to the neighboring NPC, Lithuania.

Religion map updated. Wales filled in to follow the Avignon pope.
Actually, would it be cool if Lithuania became part of the Teutonic Order (The TO controlled the remaining polish territory.)? Works better with my written history.

Also, are existing nations able to gain territory through war?
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Actually, now that I think about it, the TO should still control Green 25-1, so give them that, and I'll take Green 23-1 instead.

Yeah, that makes sense, that way they're still contiguous with Lithuania, whose throne they got the sole claim to, and they ceded the crappier part of Pomerania. Perfect.
Edited by Abnar, Nov 10 2009, 03:19 PM.
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Actually, would it be cool if Lithuania became part of the Teutonic Order (The TO controlled the remaining polish territory.)? Works better with my written history.

Also, are existing nations able to gain territory through war?
The TO and Lithuania were seperate nations even when they claimed the throne. I can give them the rest of Poland though, since the TO had enclaves all over eastern Europe, but it may be confusing.

Yes, existing nations can gain territory through war. I'm not sure what we'll do for NPCs if they happen to beat a player or each other in war.

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Actually, now that I think about it, the TO should still control Green 25-1, so give them that, and I'll take Green 23-1 instead.
Done, will put it on the next map update. I plan on putting in the German and Italian city-states next. Maps or links to maps are welcome.
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Telosan
Nov 10 2009, 03:27 PM
The TO and Lithuania were seperate nations even when they claimed the throne. I can give them the rest of Poland though, since the TO had enclaves all over eastern Europe, but it may be confusing.
I suppose they were still separate nations, but with the Polish claim to the Lithuanian throne renounced (as occurred in my history), they'd be ruled by the same person.

EDIT: Linkage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Teutonic_War_(1431–1435)
Edited by Abnar, Nov 10 2009, 03:42 PM.
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Updated again. I seriously have nothing better to do.

Changed:

Abnar's switch, G25 for G23

Added:

Duchy of Carinthia
Bishopric of Münster
Electorate of Saxony
Duchy of Lorraine
March of Bradenburg
Duchy of Swabia
Swiss Confederation
Duchy of Bavaria
Duchy of Savoy

Papal States
Duchy of Milan
Republic of Genoa
Republic of Florence

Comments please.
Edited by Telosan, Nov 10 2009, 05:13 PM.
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