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Map Request Thread; Request yer plots right here!
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM (2,650 Views)
Union
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I'm switching nations.

I'll take ORANGE 36, and Tou has agreed to take ORANGE 31 instead. However, the territory of 36 needs to be modified slightly to this:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6089/mapupdates.png

Country name: Avignon Pontificate
Edited by Union, Oct 11 2009, 11:43 PM.
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Toussaint
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I'll verify that I agree to the above with this post.
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That's all you're taking?
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Kasnyia
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I still want my island.
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Rhadamanthus
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Huesca
Oct 11 2009, 11:39 PM
I'm switching nations.

I'll take ORANGE 36, and Tou has agreed to take ORANGE 31 instead. However, the territory of 36 needs to be modified slightly to this:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6089/mapupdates.png

Country name: Avignon Pontificate
If modifying provincial borders is ok, would Toussaint agree to modifying the French-Catalonian border to match the historic one from this period?

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I think its a small modification, but it would help with realism.

Also, what about Andorra? Its not on the map as a separate province, but is it part of my province or his?
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Sedulius
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Hey guys, thanks for getting me on the map. I was amazed to come back to the forums and see all this suddenly pop up.

To Telo, assume that you do hold in the Morea what the Venetians held in the Morea in 1452. Since we're using a simpler map system, and I hold the majority of the Morea, it is marked on the map as mine, but we can easily just assume you hold the small bits Venice held.

This same sort of thing applies to my territory around Constantinople. I would only hold the Constantinople side of the strait. The Ottoman Empire would be holding the Anatolian side.

I have but one request. Change my nation name to Basileia ton Rhomaion in the map thread.
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Telosan
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I'm having security trouble. I need someone to take over these changes for a bit until it's settled.

Also, I will not be changing borders other than what's on that map. If you want it to be changed, please change the border yourself on the most updated version of the map and PM it to me (or the present mapmaker) with evidence showing that you have solid information behind the border redraw and not just because you want it that way.
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Al Araam
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The colors on the map are a bit confusing. Personally, I don't really know the difference between "light blue" an "bright blue" or "dark blue" and "navy blue". Maybe I'm alone here.
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Union
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nvm
Edited by Union, Oct 13 2009, 10:54 PM.
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Telosan
Oct 12 2009, 05:37 PM
I'm having security trouble. I need someone to take over these changes for a bit until it's settled.

Also, I will not be changing borders other than what's on that map. If you want it to be changed, please change the border yourself on the most updated version of the map and PM it to me (or the present mapmaker) with evidence showing that you have solid information behind the border redraw and not just because you want it that way.
I might be able to take over for a while.
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East Anarx
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You might change "Vikings" to "Ériu, Eylenda & Kalaallit Nunaat."

When you get around to it, that is...
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Draxis
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When you get around to it could you replace Levant with the Caliphate of Palestine?
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Ulgania
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Please remove me from the map. To be quite frank, this has to be the slowest nose-to-the-grindstone RP I've ever done. Makes for amazing reads, but it's just not very fun for me. Everything just seems expected, excessive, and charmless.
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Telosan
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Are you sure?

How about you stick around a bit longer through the set up, and if you decide to leave then, throw together a war in which TC destroys you.
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Ulgania
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Just destroy me. I know what's going to happen if I stay, and it's just not the same as being creative.

Fun fact: RPing is fun when being creative doesn't mean picking from default choices.
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Telosan
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Map has been edited.

I added NPC nations based off of several maps of the time period. If the colors seem similar, well, I'm sorry. I ran out of colors and invented a few of my own. A basic knowledge of historical political geography will go a long way.
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Oct 18 2009, 02:02 PM
Map has been edited.

I added NPC nations based off of several maps of the time period. If the colors seem similar, well, I'm sorry. I ran out of colors and invented a few of my own. A basic knowledge of historical political geography will go a long way.
please get rid of that, it makes everything so much more complicated for newcomers.
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Telosan
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If I get rid of it, then how do you knew where the NPCs are? I'll add something to the map thread about NPC nations are free for takeover by newcomers.

I expected more opinions by now, the map has been up for hours and I know people have looked at it. More so, I expected opinions from the mods who will be playing these NPCs.
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well, obviously the NPCs would be where the gray areas were.
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Rhadamanthus
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Ideally, if you can do it, I would suggest keeping the NPC's gray, but outlining or stripeing them with the other color.

Also, Al Araam, an NPC mod, and I had been discussing the nature of NPCs, and he had said he would adopt some of my suggestions. Also, some NPCs were already established in RP.
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I'll try different methods of displaying the NPCs based on the popular opinion.

What NPCs have been established? I know the Hafsids have been. Sed's referenced the Ottoman Turks. What else?
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Well, I had treated the province of Murcia to be an independent state in the thread where Wales was going to conquer it. That's the only one that I can think of off-hand. Another thing worth noting, however, is the HRE. TC has RP'd his Habsburg Austrian to be the Holy Roman Emperor (as the Habsburgs did have this position historically, though I don't recall the exact time periods). Ulgania disputed this before he quit, but as it stands, I don't think it makes sense for the HRE to be a separate entity, since their only connection was the emperor; I think it would be better to make them various independent constituent states in the empire, and each HRE NPC state could interact with the Habsburgs according to its own interests.
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I'd rather that the NPC nations were left gray.
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Telosan
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I didn't find Murcia in my research, but that doesn't really mean anything. I'll consider adding it when I change the NPCs over.

I was considering setting the HRE as various german city states, but it's be much to confusing to do so. I'll change the name from "HRE" to "Various German City-States". TC better hurry up and reunify his little empire before I get too confused with the hundreds of german states.

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Also, I had a thought unrelated to the above, but springing from the Azores situation.

As more regions are added, people will inevitably make colonial empires. What do we intend to do for nations that never had colonies IRL? Venice, being a merchant nation, would likely go to total war over the spice islands that were controlled by the Dutch. How will we determine which territories go to who? Is it just a matter of who claims it first?

Or should we just wait untill the time comes to even begin thinking about that.
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Telosan
Oct 18 2009, 07:41 PM
I didn't find Murcia in my research, but that doesn't really mean anything. I'll consider adding it when I change the NPCs over.

I was considering setting the HRE as various german city states, but it's be much to confusing to do so. I'll change the name from "HRE" to "Various German City-States". TC better hurry up and reunify his little empire before I get too confused with the hundreds of german states.

~~~~~

Also, I had a thought unrelated to the above, but springing from the Azores situation.

As more regions are added, people will inevitably make colonial empires. What do we intend to do for nations that never had colonies IRL? Venice, being a merchant nation, would likely go to total war over the spice islands that were controlled by the Dutch. How will we determine which territories go to who? Is it just a matter of who claims it first?

Or should we just wait untill the time comes to even begin thinking about that.
Expanded areas are definitely going to give me motivation to make something uniquely NOT European.

Unless the rule of "no tampering with history" remains :dry:
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