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Obama: Nobel Peace Prize Winner
Topic Started: Oct 9 2009, 10:02 AM (1,326 Views)
Quaon
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Actually, if it weren't for idiot Europeans who decided that it was just a peachy idea to promise the same land to two different people, these problems wouldn't exist. Also, if it weren't for jingoists ignorant of the politics of the Middle East whose thinking so dominates the United States, such as Atticus here, we wouldn't be having this problem.
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Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:08 PM
Actually, if it weren't for idiot Europeans who decided that it was just a peachy idea to promise the same land to two different people, these problems wouldn't exist. Also, if it weren't for jingoists ignorant of the politics of the Middle East whose thinking so dominates the United States, such as Atticus here, we wouldn't be having this problem.
That doesn't justify their intolerance to all other religion.

Also, the Jews had Jerusalem first, but they were kicked out.
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Oct 11 2009, 11:31 PM
Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:08 PM
Actually, if it weren't for idiot Europeans who decided that it was just a peachy idea to promise the same land to two different people, these problems wouldn't exist. Also, if it weren't for jingoists ignorant of the politics of the Middle East whose thinking so dominates the United States, such as Atticus here, we wouldn't be having this problem.
That doesn't justify their intolerance to all other religion.
Do you really think that that is what the Arab-Israeli conflict is about? Really?

Beyond that, do you know a single Muslim?
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Also, the Jews had Jerusalem first, but they were kicked out.


I don't believe you'd be as willing to give California to the Mexicans.
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Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:34 PM
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Oct 11 2009, 11:31 PM
Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:08 PM
Actually, if it weren't for idiot Europeans who decided that it was just a peachy idea to promise the same land to two different people, these problems wouldn't exist. Also, if it weren't for jingoists ignorant of the politics of the Middle East whose thinking so dominates the United States, such as Atticus here, we wouldn't be having this problem.
That doesn't justify their intolerance to all other religion.
Do you really think that that is what the Arab-Israeli conflict is about? Really?

Beyond that, do you know a single Muslim?
Yes, I feel that a large portion of conflict and terrorism in the middle east is religiously based.

I do know a Muslim, and he is not racist or anti-semite as far as I know. But do you really think that the radical Muslims in aren't intolerant, and act on radical religious ideas coupled with leaders using religion for political gains? I'm not saying Muslims as a whole are bad people, but a few of them are bad people.

Here's something good.
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/southernsuburbs/story/579324.html
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Huesca
Oct 11 2009, 11:35 PM
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Also, the Jews had Jerusalem first, but they were kicked out.


I don't believe you'd be as willing to give California to the Mexicans.
Yeah, but they practically own Southern California.

But why would we give it to them, it would only go to waste with their bad leadership and drug wars.
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Quaon
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Oct 11 2009, 11:44 PM
Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:34 PM
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Oct 11 2009, 11:31 PM
Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:08 PM
Actually, if it weren't for idiot Europeans who decided that it was just a peachy idea to promise the same land to two different people, these problems wouldn't exist. Also, if it weren't for jingoists ignorant of the politics of the Middle East whose thinking so dominates the United States, such as Atticus here, we wouldn't be having this problem.
That doesn't justify their intolerance to all other religion.
Do you really think that that is what the Arab-Israeli conflict is about? Really?

Beyond that, do you know a single Muslim?
Yes, I feel that a large portion of conflict and terrorism in the middle east is religiously based.

I do know a Muslim, and he is not racist or anti-semite as far as I know. But do you really think that the radical Muslims in aren't intolerant, and act on radical religious ideas coupled with leaders using religion for political gains? I'm not saying Muslims as a whole are bad people, but a few of them are bad people.

Here's something good.
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/southernsuburbs/story/579324.html
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Yes, I feel that a large portion of conflict and terrorism in the middle east is religiously based.
Religiously based, sure, but religiously caused? The war in the Levant is a war of nationalism that uses religion as a facade. The Jews are atheist socialists primarily, the Arabs are nationalists whose religion is a secondary characteristic.
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I do know a Muslim, and he is not racist or anti-semite as far as I know. But do you really think that the radical Muslims in aren't intolerant, and act on radical religious ideas coupled with leaders using religion for political gains? I'm not saying Muslims as a whole are bad people, but a few of them are bad people.
Then why the hell would you say what you've said previously? It's as if somebody said "Neteyanhu is an asshole" and then decided that it would be appropriate to support the Final Solution because of that.
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Then why the hell would you say what you've said previously? It's as if somebody said "Neteyanhu is an asshole" and then decided that it would be appropriate to support the Final Solution because of that.
Most of those were poking fun at my displeasure with the radicals of the Muslim religion.
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Huesca
Oct 11 2009, 11:35 PM
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Also, the Jews had Jerusalem first, but they were kicked out.


I don't believe you'd be as willing to give California to the Mexicans.
Where do I sign?

Damn commies.

;) ;)

(They get Pelosi too, right?)
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Oct 11 2009, 11:54 PM
Religiously based, sure, but religiously caused? The war in the Levant is a war of nationalism that uses religion as a facade. The Jews are atheist socialists primarily, the Arabs are nationalists whose religion is a secondary characteristic.
I can't say I know enough about the Jews to make a statement, but your assessment of the Arabs couldn't be more wrong.

They are people of absolute faith. They are Muslims before they are Arabs, or Turks, or Persians. At least the fundamentalists follow that train of thought. Faith first, earth second. The Muslims are the most devout folks you'll ever meet.
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The Jews are atheist socialists primarily
How are Jews atheists?
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Oct 12 2009, 12:13 AM
Huesca
Oct 11 2009, 11:35 PM
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Also, the Jews had Jerusalem first, but they were kicked out.


I don't believe you'd be as willing to give California to the Mexicans.
Where do I sign?

Damn commies.

;) ;)

(They get Pelosi too, right?)
hey, I live in California. And there is no way in hell I'm becoming mexican. But i do think we should quarantine San Fransisco and destroy whatever foul thing that helped to create Pelosi. Or we can give her to mexico.

You know, the word check suggest that I capitalize mexico.....yeah right, like that's really going to happen.
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I've decided I'm leaving California quickly and moving to the South.
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Take. me. with. you.

If you leave I'll be the only other conservative here. :o
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Ulgania
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This forum's become politically disturbing lately :huh:
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Al Araam
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There there, child. The forum has always been politically disturbing.
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Quaon
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I can't say I know enough about the Jews to make a statement, but your assessment of the Arabs couldn't be more wrong.

They are people of absolute faith. They are Muslims before they are Arabs, or Turks, or Persians. At least the fundamentalists follow that train of thought. Faith first, earth second. The Muslims are the most devout folks you'll ever meet.
The fundamentalists make up a tiny percentage of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
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How are Jews atheists?
Further, if you are going to run your mouth about a conflict without even vaguely trying to understand these things, no, I'm not going to waste my time explaining them to you.
Edited by Quaon, Oct 12 2009, 08:32 AM.
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Oct 11 2009, 11:06 PM
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Oct 11 2009, 10:54 PM
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Oct 11 2009, 08:46 PM
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Who says their excluded, When i said to blow of those countries, I meant the entire middle east, except for Israel.
:lol: Israel is the CAUSE of half, if not most, of the dissent and violence in the Middle East.
Well, if there were no planet, then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
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Toussaint
Oct 12 2009, 12:17 AM
Quaon
Oct 11 2009, 11:54 PM
Religiously based, sure, but religiously caused? The war in the Levant is a war of nationalism that uses religion as a facade. The Jews are atheist socialists primarily, the Arabs are nationalists whose religion is a secondary characteristic.
I can't say I know enough about the Jews to make a statement, but your assessment of the Arabs couldn't be more wrong.

They are people of absolute faith. They are Muslims before they are Arabs, or Turks, or Persians. At least the fundamentalists follow that train of thought. Faith first, earth second. The Muslims are the most devout folks you'll ever meet.
But Quaon wasn't talking about Muslims in general. He is talking about Palestinian nationalists whose position in the conflict is that they have been dispossessed of what they see as their homeland. This is about two groups wanting to live in the same place, but who don't want the other one to live there too. Whether Mohammed is God's Messenger or not is a distant concern by comparison.

Also, what you describe is an ideal, but ethnic prejudices are as common in the Islamic world as anywhere else. There are many parts of the Islamic world where Arabs (and true, penninsular, Arabs at that) are seen as superior to other Muslims, though I think Turks and Persians consider themselves superior to Arabs (though other peoples wouldn't generally agree).
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Oct 11 2009, 08:25 PM
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Oct 11 2009, 01:51 PM
"Bomb, bomb, bomb...Bomb, bomb Iran..."

Oops, wrong country! :rolleyes:
Who says their excluded, When i said to blow of those countries, I meant the entire middle east, except for Israel.
Btw the cost of undertaking such a military expedition would devastate the American economy and consign our country to 3rd world status.
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Oct 12 2009, 10:33 AM
Btw the cost of undertaking such a military expedition has devastated the American economy and will soon consign our country to 3rd world status.
Fixed.
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Al Araam
Oct 12 2009, 03:29 AM
There there, child. The forum has always been politically disturbing.
Agreed.
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Oct 12 2009, 10:36 AM
Tristan da Cunha
Oct 12 2009, 10:33 AM
Btw the cost of undertaking such a military expedition has devastated the American economy and will soon consign our country to 3rd world status.
Fixed.
Thx
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Al Araam
Oct 12 2009, 03:29 AM
There there, child. The forum has always been politically disturbing.
Oh, I meant more-so in the last month or so than I've seen in a while. Something about having to deal with classes, research, writing papers, studying in general, etc... has taken the bite out of the debates here. I just forgot how acute it was :lol:
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They're meh debates though, to be honest. Not that I contribute anything better to them, but they're always the same, and they always boil down to government vs government and that's not a particularly interesting thing to debate ad naseum.
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