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Windows XP 64-bit?
Topic Started: Oct 7 2009, 11:31 PM (599 Views)
Ulgania
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Dude, everyone who didn't get it for $19 is getting it for $30 now :lol:
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Aelius
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Ok, apparently I can run Windows 7 on my PC, I'd just have to do the custom install. I assume I would just get all the files and drivers I want from my computer, put them on a DVD or external hard drive, then put the Windows 7 disc in, right?

One issue that I'm not sure about is that it says my "graphics adapter" can't run Windows Aero. I'm assuming this means video card, and I've got a NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT, so it should be able to run Aero, I would think. Would that simply be a matter of downloading a new driver once 7 is installed, since I'm running XP now?

And finally, would Windows 7 64-bit be worth buying? Would it actually be compatible with stuff?
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Oct 25 2009, 10:57 AM
Ok, apparently I can run Windows 7 on my PC, I'd just have to do the custom install. I assume I would just get all the files and drivers I want from my computer, put them on a DVD or external hard drive, then put the Windows 7 disc in, right?

One issue that I'm not sure about is that it says my "graphics adapter" can't run Windows Aero. I'm assuming this means video card, and I've got a NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT, so it should be able to run Aero, I would think. Would that simply be a matter of downloading a new driver once 7 is installed, since I'm running XP now?

And finally, would Windows 7 64-bit be worth buying? Would it actually be compatible with stuff?
I have not run into any compatibility issues.

If you want to do a clean install from a disc, you probably need to burn the .iso image onto the disc. The student offer you posted above will extract a number of files, but does not give you an .iso file; you can however make an .iso file out of them if you like; you can search for the process if you don't know how, or I can find you a link to the procedure.

What version are you running now, and what version will your new install be?
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I've got XP 64-bit Pro, not sure if I want to go to 7 64-bit Home Premium or 7 64-bit Pro.
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Lansdallius
Oct 25 2009, 12:41 PM
I've got XP 64-bit Pro, not sure if I want to go to 7 64-bit Home Premium or 7 64-bit Pro.
If you are getting it through the student link you posted earlier - get Pro. Why? Professional and Home Premium upgrades both cost the same $30 through that link, and unlike with Vista Business and Vista Home Premium (which had different feature sets with exclusive content, and only Ultimate resolved this), 7 Pro is a strict superset of 7 Home Premium. 7 Professional has everything that 7 HP does, and if they are charging the same price, why bother with the Home Premium one? You might never use the Pro features, but then again, you might, right? Professional also entitles you to run XP Mode (though I think that might be a separate install, not sure), so if you have any of your XP programs that don't run in 7, that may be worthwhile. Similarly, Enterprise/Ultimate (Ultimate is the retail version) are a strict superset of Pro.
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Ulgania
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Also, to put it rather bluntly,

Home Premium is soccer mom friendly.

Professional is more user friendly.
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I finished installing Windows 7, and I must admit it's much quicker than Vista. I definitely recommend it to current Vista users.
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After a day-long trial of trying to get data saved and transferred to an external hard drive, a brief installation of Windows 7 that successfully moved over everything but the driver for the wireless card, and having to move the tower into the living room and hook it directly to the router to download the driver because the software on the CD refused to work, I now have Windows 7 working on a basic capacity. I still have to re-install all of my programs and such, but so far 7 looks like a non-fail version of Vista, which isn't bad. I'll have more work to do with this after class tomorrow. Good night, NS.
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Rhadamanthus
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Best feature ever. I can now switch the order of things on the taskbar!

I used to have this OCD-ish thing in Vista and XP. It was during XP that I started using Outlook (as well as when I started growing more OCD-ish), so it wasn't an issue before that. Basically, Outlook has to be the first program in the taskbar. If I start Outlook after other programs are already there, or if I accidentally close Outlook, I have to close everything else and then start Outlook first. I don't close Outlook unless everything else is closed. It just looks wrong to me if Outlook is open and not the first application.

But with 7, you can click and drag to move around the taskbar applications into any arrangement you care for. I love that! Though strangely, the use of the icons instead of the icon and name on the taskbar has also mitigated this quirk, so I don't really need to switch thing around anymore :lol:
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Rhadamanthus
Oct 25 2009, 11:32 AM
Lansdallius
Oct 25 2009, 10:57 AM
Ok, apparently I can run Windows 7 on my PC, I'd just have to do the custom install. I assume I would just get all the files and drivers I want from my computer, put them on a DVD or external hard drive, then put the Windows 7 disc in, right?

One issue that I'm not sure about is that it says my "graphics adapter" can't run Windows Aero. I'm assuming this means video card, and I've got a NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT, so it should be able to run Aero, I would think. Would that simply be a matter of downloading a new driver once 7 is installed, since I'm running XP now?

And finally, would Windows 7 64-bit be worth buying? Would it actually be compatible with stuff?
I have not run into any compatibility issues.

If you want to do a clean install from a disc, you probably need to burn the .iso image onto the disc. The student offer you posted above will extract a number of files, but does not give you an .iso file; you can however make an .iso file out of them if you like; you can search for the process if you don't know how, or I can find you a link to the procedure.

What version are you running now, and what version will your new install be?
The stuff I said about making the .iso out of the other files and such is no longer needed. Microsoft, this week, has attended to the student download so that it can be used without trouble for any kind of upgrade. Apparently some people decided to complain to Microsoft and get a solution instead of figuring out workarounds like I did :lol:
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I like how this isn't even about XP anymore.

Oh, and check this out if you have 7: http://lifehacker.com/5388948/top-10-windows-7-booster-apps

I like a lot of these. You can play with the OS so freaking much, it's awesome.

My roommate is perpetually complaining that it's not really an OS anymore and that it's leaving too big of a footprint on my harddrive. Then again he bitches about everything. :dry:
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Too big of a footprint on your hard drive? You can buy a terrabyte, maybe even a terrabyte and a half, for something like a fifth of the regular price of the OS. If you're having troubles with the size of the footprint, the problem is the size of your hard drive, not the size of the OS. Tell your roommate to suck it up, stop whining, and go buy a real hard drive.
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Win98 needed 16MB of RAM, a 66MHz processor and 175MB of harddrive space.

What is Windows 7 doing to need sixty times the ram, 15 times the processor speed and one hundred times the harddrive space?

Yeah, ok, 7 is doing more shit. It's a "better" OS. It's (by no stretch of the imagination) one hundred times better.

Running Windows 7 (and nothing else) takes more system resources than running a game like UT. And the system requirements of Windows 7 are higher than modern games like Dawn of War.

I think bitching is perfectly valid. Especially if you compare Windows 7 with OS10 - OS10 has a tenth of the system requirements (128MB RAM, 1.5GB harddrive space) and uses less than half of the system resources for more security, just as much flexibility and better 64-bit support (and better indexing).

What the hell is Windows doing with that giant foot? (Other than stamping over your system.)
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Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 30 2009, 12:57 PM
And the system requirements of Windows 7 are higher than modern games like Dawn of War.
Am I missing something here? Dawn of War came out in 2004, five years before Windows 7. How do the sysreqs of games released in 1993 compare to those of Windows 98? That's the only part of your argument I don't understand.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Binge Gamer puts Doom as the Best Game of 1993.

Compared to Win98, Doom requires:

66MHz processor - the same
8MB of RAM - less.
140MB of harddive space - slightly less.

So for a fair comparison Win7 would need to have half the RAM requirement and a quarter of the hard-drive space as it currently does to be "that much" more resources hogging compared to DOW than Win98 is to Doom.

Granted, that's not as bas as I thought Win7 would come out - so I see your point RD.
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Thanks for bringing out the numbers.

And I can see where you are coming from. There is certainly legitimate cause for complaint. But to put it into perspective, 7's reqs are comparable to Vista's reqs, and 7 seems to manage resources better than Vista. That doesn't change the fact that 7 has high requirements - but it makes Vista all the more frightening by comparison.
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Rhadamanthus
Oct 30 2009, 02:15 PM
Thanks for bringing out the numbers.

And I can see where you are coming from. There is certainly legitimate cause for complaint. But to put it into perspective, 7's reqs are comparable to Vista's reqs, and 7 seems to manage resources better than Vista. That doesn't change the fact that 7 has high requirements - but it makes Vista all the more frightening by comparison.
Vista is what pushed Windows from reasonable, but high system requirements (compared to all other OSs) to freakin' ridiculous bloatware.
7 is undoubtedly everything Vista should have been, but it still doesn't shrug off the title of bloatware.
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Aye. They preserved too much of Vista (while finetuning and improving it) to improve on the count. And as much I'm still liking this new OS, I do hope they do better on that front in the future.
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This pretty much sums it up:

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I actually had moderately positive expectations that were far and away exceeded.
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