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Should this Replace NS2
Yes 16 (84.2%)
No 3 (15.8%)
Total Votes: 19
Overall Proposal
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 04:04 PM (1,972 Views)
Union
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This is voting for the overall proposal: Non-Binding, of course. :lol:

1. Starting age is 1452, with a map of Europe, with maps to be opened up at a future date to mirror Age of Exploration, to be determined.

2. The following system determines IC:
IC = 250 log (250((1-1.5^n)/(1-1.5))

3. The following system determines population:
1,000,000 log (25((1-1.005^n)/(1-1.005))

For both systems, n=number of months as a member of the forum.

4. Base units will be: Here
4a: If a moderator agrees, other units may be added to reflect more realism, general morale, unique faction units, etc. :)

5. This map will be used, with each player able to pick up to fiveteen points:
http://img29.imageshack.us/i/mapwithprovinces.png/

6. NPC nations will exist and be clearly marked as such where important RL nations existed. They will be able to interact with PC nations. NPC nations will be played by people who are impartial to the RP at the time, and any player may play both a PC and NPC nations.

Edited by Union, Oct 9 2009, 08:13 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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1. Unit image is down.
2. Generic units only.
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Sedulius
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I have one major problem. Why should it be restricted to Europe? This entirely ignores the great powers of the Middle East, India, and Africa. Great powers existed in those places since the 12th century. They would exist in 1452.

Most majorly, I would refer to the Mongols.

EDIT: I vote yes, regardless.
Edited by Sedulius, Oct 6 2009, 04:43 PM.
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New Harumf
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Huesca
Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM
An empty world is more unappealing. How would China realistically interact in 1452 with Portugal?
In the mid-1400's, the Eunichs in China banned all foreign shipping, and that curtailed what was a golden age of Naval Exploration for the Chinese. If this had not been done there is a very good chance the Chinese would have discovered California before Columbus discovered the Antilles. If this had happened, it is possible the Chinese would have been pushing East into South America while the Portugese were pushing West, and that could make for interesting consequences on the make-up of the Americas!

Regardless, I vote yes, and since I can have more places then I picked, I want to add I-4, to control Gibraltar.

P.S. The base units are not "here".
Edited by New Harumf, Oct 6 2009, 05:16 PM.
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Telosan
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Yes.

I think I said so already, but I'd like to be a moderator. I'm up for mapmaking if no one else wants it as I was already mapmaker for the original NS2. I say we move this to the NS2 forums so non-veterans may be filled in. It's not really fair that places are being gobbled up before they even know.

When the time comes for point 4a to be implemented, I volunteer for everything. If the ideas haven't been integrated by 1 month after the launch of this game, I will propose my ideas again.

Otherwise, lets get this going.
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flumes
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Yes.

Do we have some sort of claims thread going for the map? This got my wheels turning in about 40 different directions... Knowing what's gone now would go a long ways for me to narrow that down...
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Tristan da Cunha
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Sedulius
Oct 6 2009, 04:42 PM
I have one major problem. Why should it be restricted to Europe? This entirely ignores the great powers of the Middle East, India, and Africa. Great powers existed in those places since the 12th century. They would exist in 1452.

Most majorly, I would refer to the Mongols.

EDIT: I vote yes, regardless.
Mongols were not a major power in mid 1400s.
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Telosan
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 7 2009, 05:41 AM
Sedulius
Oct 6 2009, 04:42 PM
I have one major problem. Why should it be restricted to Europe? This entirely ignores the great powers of the Middle East, India, and Africa. Great powers existed in those places since the 12th century. They would exist in 1452.

Most majorly, I would refer to the Mongols.

EDIT: I vote yes, regardless.
Mongols were not a major power in mid 1400s.
We're starting in the mid 1400s.
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Tristan da Cunha
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That's what I said.
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Telosan
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:shy:

Read that wrong. Thought it said "The Mongols were not a major power until the mid 1400s."
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Sedulius
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 7 2009, 05:41 AM
Sedulius
Oct 6 2009, 04:42 PM
I have one major problem. Why should it be restricted to Europe? This entirely ignores the great powers of the Middle East, India, and Africa. Great powers existed in those places since the 12th century. They would exist in 1452.

Most majorly, I would refer to the Mongols.

EDIT: I vote yes, regardless.
Mongols were not a major power in mid 1400s.
They were crumbling, yes, but they were still a major nuisance within Russia. When Muscovy finally revolted against the Golden Horde, the battles were quite bloody and nasty, though Muscovy emerged victorious. Just saying, it should still be considered. If we were starting in 1200, I would mention the Rajputs in India, the Kingdom of Makuria in Africa (south of the Ayyubids/Egyptians), the Great Seljuks, the Abbasids, etc, etc. I'm just pointing out that there were several powers then and in 1452 that shouldn't just be dismissed. The map should initially extend to larger parts of Asia, India, and Africa.
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lebowski2123
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Huesca
Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM
An empty world is more unappealing. How would China realistically interact in 1452 with Portugal?
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NRE
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Map Tsar and Southern Gentleman

I abstain my vote. I've been meaning to do this for a while but just haven't and that is pull out of NS2 officially. I really don't have time for it and honestly I no longer have interest in it.
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flumes
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Huesca
 
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Sorry for getting ahead of myself. I see maps and get excited. Hopefully no one else has objections to my planned Kingdom.

I haven't been this excited for a RP in awhile. Great time-period, setting up an even more exciting time (exploration). NPC's will go a long way to making things play out realistically, and tell a great story.

Let's get this thing going!
Edited by flumes, Oct 9 2009, 05:20 PM.
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Telosan
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Posted Image

EDIT: Huesca, I've marked yours on the map and I'll post it later.
Edited by Telosan, Oct 9 2009, 04:41 PM.
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flumes
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Have we decided on time?
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Union
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1452
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flumes
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Huesca
Oct 9 2009, 05:20 PM
1452
No, I mean moving forward.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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flumes
Oct 9 2009, 05:18 PM
Have we decided on time?
Start RPing. Work out the details about time moving forward as we go - otherwise we'll be arguing this for months.

As the date moves forward, I'll edit the name of this forum if required.
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Kasnyia
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Now that the new forums are created, could we expand out the regions again please?
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flumes
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Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 9 2009, 05:27 PM
flumes
Oct 9 2009, 05:18 PM
Have we decided on time?
Start RPing. Work out the details about time moving forward as we go - otherwise we'll be arguing this for months.

As the date moves forward, I'll edit the name of this forum if required.
Fair enough, I was just curious.
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for the base units, I think we need to go a little more complex. For example, the welsh longbow could shoot 2-5 arrows in the time it took the crossbow to shoot 1. Also the archers were more expensive since it could took many years to master the archery, but using the crossbow was easy. This means that crossbows would be cheaper to use a nd make than to have a archer. The longbow is a lot lighter and has a greater range than the crossbow. therefore it the archer should have greater movement.

I would also like to see the battle system and see how range i put into play.
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Oct 9 2009, 10:38 PM
for the base units, I think we need to go a little more complex. For example, the welsh longbow could shoot 2-5 arrows in the time it took the crossbow to shoot 1. Also the archers were more expensive since it could took many years to master the archery, but using the crossbow was easy. This means that crossbows would be cheaper to use a nd make than to have a archer. The longbow is a lot lighter and has a greater range than the crossbow. therefore it the archer should have greater movement.

I would also like to see the battle system and see how range i put into play.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Guys, I swear I didn't tell him to say that.

Also, Huesca, can these equations be cleared up a bit?

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2. The following system determines IC:
IC = 250 log (250((1-1.5^n)/(1-1.5))
I put this in, my time here being 18 months. If I did this right, and I think I did, my IC is 369,473, rounded up. Are we purchasing our entire force to be shown on a worldmap?

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3. The following system determines population:
1,000,000 log (25((1-1.005^n)/(1-1.005))
Same here. I think it would come out to 27 and alot of decimal points. What's the 1 million log part?
Edited by Telosan, Oct 9 2009, 10:48 PM.
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