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Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty; What mean this?
Topic Started: Sep 30 2009, 11:26 AM (283 Views)
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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52836

As for question, what means that declaration?
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East Anarx
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It's not secession. It just means they're saying "look at the tenth amendment." It's pretty meaningless.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Esternarx
Sep 30 2009, 11:33 AM
It's not secession. It just means they're saying "look at the tenth amendment." It's pretty meaningless.
Isn't this like a year old?
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Abnar
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Nag Ehgoeg
Sep 30 2009, 12:13 PM
Esternarx
Sep 30 2009, 11:33 AM
It's not secession. It just means they're saying "look at the tenth amendment." It's pretty meaningless.
Isn't this like a year old?
More, this was summer of last year, IIRC. One of us could check the date on the article...
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yes yes...it sure of 2008 but inoticed only now :shy:

I have understand that there is no one scession and i have read the 10th emendament...but anyway, pratically whate are the powers it is talking about?
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New Harumf
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There are 17 powers enumerated in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constituton. All other powers are religated to the various tates.
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Al Araam
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Without an adamantly states' rights conscious Supreme Court, secession may be the only way to assert their rights under the Constitution. At this point, it seems to me it would take a miracle to get us back to what the founding fathers envisioned.
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I guess this is somewhat related. Earlier this month I got an email forward. It said:

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THE COUNTRY of TEXOARKLA

In case things get a little tougher during the next few months, we In LOUISIANA, TEXAS , OKLAHOMA & ARKANSAS have a plan.

Maybe you don't know it, but LOUISIANA , TEXAS , OKLAHOMA , & ARKANSAS have a legal right to secede from the Union . (Reference the Texas/Louisiana-American Annexation Treaty of 1848.)

Us TEXOARKLANS love y'all Americans, but we'll probably have to take action since Barack Obama won the election and is now the President of the U.S.A. We'll miss ya'll though.

Here is what can happen:

1. Barack Hussein Obama, after becoming the President of the United States , begins to try and create a socialist country, then TEXAS , LOUISIANA , ARKANSAS and OKLAHOMA announces that they are going to secede from the Union .

2. George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic of TEXOARKLA . You might think that he doesn't talk too pretty, but we haven't had another terrorist attack and the economy was fine until the effects of Barney Frank and the Democrats lowering the qualifications for home loans came home to roost.

So what does TEXOARKLA have to do to survive as a Republic?

1. NASA is just south of Houston , Texas . We will control the space industry.

2. We refine over 90% of the gasoline in the United States .

3. Defense Industry--we have over 65% of it. The term "Don't mess with TEXAS ," will take on a whole new meaning.

4. Oil - we can supply all the oil that the Republic of TEXOARKLA will need for the next 300 years.. What will the other states do? Gee, we don't know. Why not ask Obama?

5. Natural Gas - again, we have all we need and it's too bad about those Northern States. John Kerry and Al Gore will just have to figure out a way to keep them warm...

6. Computer Industry - we lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications equipment - small companies like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Nortel, Alcatel, etc. The list goes on and on.

7. Medical Care - We have the research centers for cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world, as well as other large health centers.

8. We have enough colleges to keep educating and making smarter citizens: University of Texas , Texas A&M, Texas Tech, University of Oklahoma , Oklahoma State University, UL-Lafayette, UL-Monroe, LSU, Louisiana Tech University , University of Arkansas , Arkansas State University , Baylor, Rice, TCU, SMU and MANY more.

9. We have an intelligent and energetic work force and it isn't restricted by a bunch of unions. Here in TEXOARKLA, we are a Right-to-Work State and, therefore, it's every man and woman for themselves. We just go out and get the job done.. And if we don't like the way one company operates, we get a job somewhere else.

10. We have essential control of the paper, plastics, and insurance industries, etc.

11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the TEXOARKLA National Guard, the TEXOARKLA Air National Guard, and several military bases... We don't have an Army, but since everybody down here has at least six guns and a pile of ammo, we can raise an Army in 24 hours if we need one. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.

12. We are totally self-sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs, and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables and let's not forget seafood from the Gulf. Also, everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. We don't need any food from somewhere else.

13. FIVE of the ten largest cities in the United States and THIRTY TWO of the 100 largest cities in the United States are located in TEXOARKLA. And TEXOARKLA also has more land than California , New York , New Jersey , Connecticut , Delaware , Hawaii , Massachusetts , Maryland , Rhode Island and Vermont combined.

14. Trade: FIVE of the ten largest ports in the United States are located in TEXOARKLA.

15. We also manufacture cars down here, but we don't need to. You see, nothing rusts in TEXOARKLA so our vehicles stay beautiful and run well for decades..

This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of TEXOARKLA in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have.

Now to the rest of you folks in the United States under President Obama:

Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Obama will be able to drive around in his big 9 mpg SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes.

You won't have any TV as the Space Center in Houston will cut off satellite communications.

You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but since Al Gore has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas as long as you survive the 2000 years it will take to get enough heat from Global Warming.

In other words, the rest of ya'll in the USA are screwed!


Signed, The People of TEXOARKLA

P.S. This is not a threatening letter - just a note to give you something to think about!

Sleep well tonight 'cause the eyes of TEXOARKLA are on YOU!!
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Al Araam
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The treaty referenced doesn't actually exist.

As for the right to secede:
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Neither the ordinance of annexation nor the joint resolution included provisions giving Texas the right to secede.[15] In its decision in Texas v. White in 1869, the United States Supreme Court ruled that Texas' secession in 1861 had been illegal. The Court held that "[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States." The court did allow that divisibility might be possible "through revolution, or through consent of the States."[16].
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Disagreement over what the founding fathers originally envisioned began on September 18 of 1787. :rolleyes:
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Al Araam
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The difference is that now, one side holds the vast majority of the power in the relationship.
Edited by Al Araam, Sep 30 2009, 04:48 PM.
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I thought that the right of secession had been eliminated at the end of civil war.
Is there an amendment to this?
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Quaon
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THE COUNTRY of TEXOARKLA
Whoever wrote this is brain dead. Not just because that document makes no sense, doesn't work as satire, is written terribly, etc Becuse "Texoarkla" sounds like it was made up by a three year old.
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Al Araam
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There is no legal right of secession. The treaty that is referenced in Telosan's post does not exist, as far as I can determine. Texas does not have a legal right to secede from the union, and the rest certainly do not. But I've always seen secession as something similar to rebellion. No one gives it to you. You have to take it. If things get bad enough that you feel the need to tear a nation apart, you don't need a judge to tell you that you're allowed to. That's the way it is and, in my eyes at least, that's the way it should be.

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Yep, Quaon. It's ironic because apparently education is a big part of the allure of Texoarkla.
Edited by Al Araam, Sep 30 2009, 05:02 PM.
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East Anarx
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Secession is a human right.

It is the right of every individual to associate, or not, with whomever they please. No one can rightfully be compelled to stay in a relationship which they do not want to be in. To claim otherwise is to attempt to justify rape and slavery! Unanimous consent is the only ethical basis for human relationship.
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Telosan
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I copied and pasted in from the email. I thought it made no sense either.

Almost anything would be a better name, too. Call it Texarkana and make the city of Texarkana the capital. Sounds much better.
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Texarkana is an amazing name!
I used it a short story i wrote.
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New Harumf
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Only one problem with the whole e-mail, and it is point 11:

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we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.


should read:
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we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a Texas Ranger.


Remember, their motto: "One riot, one Ranger."
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Aelius
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Oct 1 2009, 10:36 AM
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we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over the Texas Rangers.


should read:
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we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a Chuck Norris.
Fix'd. :P
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Tristan da Cunha
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No, the image of a single apathetic clean shaven Texas Ranger is more fitting than Chuck Norris in this context.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 1 2009, 11:54 AM.
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Aelius
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I know. But if they actually wanted to do something, this would be their best chance at doing so.
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