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A Call to Arms: All Gamers!
Topic Started: Sep 30 2009, 10:00 AM (377 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 4 2009, 12:52 PM
StarCraft has hideously unbalanced units.
The factions as a whole are essentially perfectly balanced.
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Abnar
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 4 2009, 12:52 PM
Lylat Wars isn't really a "rail shooter". House of the Dead is a rail shooter. Time Crisis is a rail shooter.

Metroid Prime is not "the best FPS". For a start it's an FPA.

Deus Ex is a better RPG than FF7. Fable (either, take you pick) are better RPGs than Deus Ex.

StarCraft has hideously unbalanced units.
SF64 is indeed a rail shooter, due to your limited control over your character's movement. The exceptions are the "all range mode" sections.

"FPA?" It has a first person perspective, and the primary obstacles in the game are enemies you must shoot. This means it is a first-person shooter.

FF7 won as a package, not just for gameplay. While Deus Ex has better RPG aspects, FF7 is a better game, and is an RPG. The Fable games were rather meh for me.

Every faction in StarCraft has hideously unbalanced units, so the factions themselves are very balanced. Each faction has strategies that can beat strategies of other factions.
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Sedulius
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Sedulius Best Games List

First-Person Shooter
Singleplayer: DOOM
Multiplayer: UT2004
Honorable Mention: Half-Life series

Space combat simulator
Star Wars: TIE Fighter
Honorable Mention: Colony Wars series

RPG
Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall

Real-Time Strategy
Command & Conquer (Tiberium Dawn)
Edited by Sedulius, Oct 4 2009, 04:52 PM.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Abnar
Oct 4 2009, 02:36 PM
Nag Ehgoeg
Oct 4 2009, 12:52 PM
Lylat Wars isn't really a "rail shooter". House of the Dead is a rail shooter. Time Crisis is a rail shooter.

Metroid Prime is not "the best FPS". For a start it's an FPA.

Deus Ex is a better RPG than FF7. Fable (either, take you pick) are better RPGs than Deus Ex.

StarCraft has hideously unbalanced units.
SF64 is indeed a rail shooter, due to your limited control over your character's movement. The exceptions are the "all range mode" sections.
Eh. Wikipedia puts it under "scrolling" rather than "rail". I disagree with both. You can go forwards, sideways, up and down as you advance through a level as well as pulling off manoeuvres. Plus all range mode. I wouldn't call it a rail shooter - though perhaps I'm wrong. I just always thought of a rail shooter as being "on rails" - like a train, you don't move you just aim and shoot.

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"FPA?" It has a first person perspective, and the primary obstacles in the game are enemies you must shoot. This means it is a first-person shooter.

First Person Adventure.

It's mostly in first person, as the game progresses you unlock gear that lets you navigate around the map. Unlike a FPS the main obstacle isn't combat - with a very generous auto-aim and the ability to lock onto enemies at no cost - but rather having the right tools to open doors, enter new zones, defeat the specialist defences of enemies.

A game that rewards you for pausing it to investigate new things that you've found by scanning them is hardly more "shoot'em up" than "adventure".

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FF7 won as a package, not just for gameplay. While Deus Ex has better RPG aspects, FF7 is a better game, and is an RPG. The Fable games were rather meh for me.

Storyline is kinda hollow in FF7. Gameplay is alright, but was nothing ground breaking. Graphically the two are comparable.

I get why someone might think FF7 was a better game than Deus Ex. I disagree, but I see it. I just don't see how you can say "well, it's a worse RPG so it wins the category of Best RPG, while the better RPG gets an honourable mention."

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Every faction in StarCraft has hideously unbalanced units, so the factions themselves are very balanced. Each faction has strategies that can beat strategies of other factions.

Sure. As of 2001. For the first three years playing StarCraft went something like this:

Player 1: Terrans
Player 2: Protos
Player 3: Zerg

Player 1: No rush, five min.
Player 2: Yeah... good luck with that. *Player 2 has quit*
Player 3: I'm in ur base, killin ur dudes!
Player 1: Oh no, not again!
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Tristan da Cunha
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Ever since it was first released Starcraft had a reputation for being one of the most balanced rts's ever, and deservedly so. It's miraculous considering that each race is so different yet so balanced, which is the thing that made sc so special. The patches only improved on that. The Zergrush meme is fun for internet boards but when it comes down to business there aren't actually balance issues that can be named, and Starcraft really remains a standard for the genre.
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New Harumf
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OK, let's go back a few years to my biginning days -

Rail shooter: Asteroids
Singleplayer: Castle Frankenstein (C64)
Multiplayer: Kick-the-can (outdoors)
Multiplayer runner-up: Rail Baron (Avalon Hill Board Game)
Sports Simulator: APBA MLB (Card game)

RPG
Sid Meyers "Pirates" (C64)
Runner-up: "Adventure" (IBM 360/370 MVS scrolling session)

Real-Time Strategy: Stalingrad (Avalon Hill Board Game)
Runner-up: Diplomacy (Avalon Hill Board Game)
Honorable Mention: Kingmaker (Avalon Hill Board Game)

Other: PACMAN!!!
Runner up: Donkey Kong (bar console)

Money Maker: Poker - (pinball in the bar)
Runner up: Poker - (in the dorms, no-limit 3 card guts)
Honorable mention - Bridge (in the dorms, 10 cents a point)
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Abnar
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Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lurkiest of them all?
Split quotes are annoying as hell to respond to, Nag.

SF64: The camera is on a rail, giving you a tiny box in which to maneuver. Rail shooter. All-range mode is an exception, but the vast majority of the game is a rail shooter.

Metroid Prime: What was the most challenging part of the game? Finding the items? Nope. Getting from platform to platform? Nyet. Shooting the final boss into submission from a first-person viewpoint? Yep.

Fine. Best RPG game overall: FF VII. Best RPG elements: Deus Ex. Happy?

And your experience with StarCraft has been sadly stunted if that's your impression of it. See TC's post.

Stop splitting hairs, please, it's getting exhausting.
Edited by Abnar, Oct 4 2009, 10:10 PM.
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Menhad
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I'm surprise that no one has mentioned Age of Empire II (3 sucked big time, so did 1 IMO). One of the better RTS, and Warcraft II was lots of fun.
Edited by Menhad, Oct 4 2009, 10:08 PM.
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Telosan
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I love AoE2. I've got the third one, but I wish I could just put the two together. If they had the 2nd one's system with the 3rd one's era, I'd be happy.
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East Anarx
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Yes. AOE2 FTW!!
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