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ComiCon Gone Wrong!; A very funny idea of a mafia game
Topic Started: Sep 28 2009, 12:22 PM (3,752 Views)
New Harumf
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Nag, this is basically the same logic you used to vote for me last game, assuring everyone you'd vote for "the other person" to prove you were innocent, and I was the doctor. Your logic is so faulty it makes me blush.
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Oct 2 2009, 02:09 PM
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If TC and Menhad both turn out innocent then I will have been proved wrong and have no good reason to vote for H, Leb, Telo or Q.

This early in the game H, Leb, Telo, and Q's votes have no real logical relationship to TC's and Menhad's status. However, Telo's vote is notable for its vehemence.
I've already explained why I suspect these people, you're the one trying to use my own logical assumptions against me.

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If I changed my vote from you to Menhad now, it'd be scummy. It also seems to be the only thing that'll stop you from claiming I'm mafia.


There's no hard and fast rule that a late vote-change is scummy, even though you are trying to implant such a rule into people's minds, to reinforce your excuse.

We've been through enough iterations of the game that no hard rules or conventional wisdom necessarily apply anymore.

The harder you push to stay alive, the more scummy you look.

Fine by me.

I've said more than once that TC and Menhad are the two people I suspect the most. If voting for Menhad proves my good intentions then vote for Menhad I shall.

Unvote: TC
Vote: Menhad
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Oct 2 2009, 02:10 PM
Nag, this is basically the same logic you used to vote for me last game, assuring everyone you'd vote for "the other person" to prove you were innocent, and I was the doctor. Your logic is so faulty it makes me blush.
Yeah, I was mafia last game though. So it's not exactly as if that's a fair comparison.

And, if I remember right, the other person was mafia. So, again, not exactly as if that's a fair comparison - even though we lynched the doctor because I manipulated you guys, it was still a case of "if one is innocent the other is guilty".

I never claimed to be infallible - but if you don't think that three people all agreeing to vote for the same person without giving any real reason other than "I agree with so and so" isn't suspicious, then it's your logic that's at fault.
Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 2 2009, 02:26 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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I am changing my vote to No One while keeping my suspicions on Nag.

Unvote: Menhad
Vote: No One
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Oct 2 2009, 02:27 PM
I am changing my vote to No One while keeping my suspicions on Nag.

Unvote: Menhad
Vote: No One
Ok, first of all - lemme apologise for this following post. As I said in my first post the people I've fingered are more likely than anyone else to be mafia, but are still more likely (statistically at least) to be innocents than mafia. The more people have pressed me the more I've been gunning for blood. Taking a moment to think and step back, read over the thread I'd like to encourage people to pay attention to what I said in my first post and pretty much ignore all the ranting that I've posted since.

That's not the apology. The apology is to TC:

TC you always get ganged up on, and even though I'm not voting for you I have viciously come after you based on a theory that I've admitted isn't exactly a certainty. Sorry about that. And sorry about this.

I've got this feeling that I'm going to turn up dead overnight. Even though I desperately want to stop myself from poking the bee hive I feel this has to be said:

TC unvoting changes nothing. My vote meant that Menhad would be lynched instead of him. TC changing his vote doesn't change the fact that he's mostly "safe" from today's lynch.

If Menhad turns out to be mafia, then TC is perfectly vindicated. But if Menhad is innocent and I mysteriously turn up dead then don't take TC's voting for "no-one" as being any less scummy than voting for "Menhad".
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Oct 2 2009, 08:15 AM
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Oct 2 2009, 03:44 AM
Telosan's vigorousness in trying to deflect votes from Menhad is notable.
TC is the first to vote. He votes for Menhad. Quaon votes Menhad. Leb agrees. All give the same reason - agreeing with TC.

Game of this size, you'd expect three (maybe four, maybe 2) mafia.

But... TC has claimed to be a good guy. That, combined with the fact that people tend to just rape him for no reason, makes me inclined to give TC the benefit of doubt. I'm not happy with it. I'm in no way comfortable with it. It's TC we're talking about here. But he at least deserves a fair shot.

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Menhad was eager to kick things off. Huesca casts the second vote - the first against TC. Telosan jumps straight onto voting for TC. Menhad votes for TC - claiming TC's logic to be faulty.

Again, that's a voting block of three. This block is turned against a player that the town is likely to lynch.

The fact that Telosan is trying to "protect" Menhad is potentially scummy. If he is trying to protect Menhad. (If TC is trying to make it look like there's a connection where there isn't one then it's TC acting scummy.)

But... the town is likely to lynch TC. TC is probably the best mafia player (followed by Paradise). The fact that three people all agree on this doesn't necessarily mean these three people are mafia. It's a strong indication - picking on someone the town would be willing to gang up on - but it's hardly definitive.

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These are two clear voting blocks. That does not mean that one of these groups of players are mafia.

Really, it's too early in the game to say "these players are mafia". It's too early to even say "these players are more likely than not to be mafia".

However, I think that one of these two blocks is more likely to be the mafia than anyone else at this stage.

That's not to say that other players aren't suspicious. Paradise is determined not to lynch. Atticus is flipping to vote for a more likely target. NH is perpetually suspicious. Leb is determinedly quiet. Etc, etc, etc.

Normally I'd wait a while and collect more data before voting, but I'm moving house and might not be able to get online again. Lemme stress this:

I think there are two voting blocks. Either one could be mafia. It's 50:50 in my mind.

I'm really not happy about casting this vote - but the town needs to vote for someone if we're going to win.

So I'm flipping a coin between Menhad and TC.

Please use my logic but remember the choice between Menhad and TC that I'm making is a coin flip. Agreeing with my logic does not mean agreeing with my vote. Wait, watch, read and discuss: because either Menhad or TC might do something that shifts suspicion onto them more.

Vote: TC
This looks like so much the rhetoric I used in a past game, when I was mafiate.

Those who have been mafiates with me know that I like to manipulate information by "uncoordinating" the mafiates' votes. I suspect the "block" theory is nothing more than a way for Nag to exclude himself from the "suspicious" list.

Your coin flip is certainly fake, you clearly chose to vote TC in order to, possibly, protect the other "nominee", namely Menhad.

I'm pretty sure Nag is mafiate, I suggest everyone to vote for Nag.

Unvote: no one
Vote: Nag
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I see Nag changed his vote to Menhad, so maybe Nag was not trying to protect Menhad after all, but it may also be some kind of strategy to sacrifice a fellow mafiate in order to appear townie...

I'm not changing my vote for now.
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I feel I should strongly vote for Nag, but I won't. I still find nothing suspisious about Menhad. Paradise changing his vote makes me VERY curious about Paradise's loyalties, since I don't think he would abandon his No One vote unless he was Mafia. I have heard NOTHING from RD, the other master-player besides TC. Kicking out TC now will just make the game a little less fun.

I will post a vote change shortly.

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Unvote: No one

Vote: RD
Edited by New Harumf, Oct 2 2009, 04:28 PM.
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I am curious about RD as-well.

But I really have nothing to vote on, I voted TC because he quickly voted for me!

Nag it seems is either trying to kick-ass as a townie or try and confuse us as Mafia. We can't know for certain. But I do think that the Mafia has seen enough games to know not to vote in blocks, and we can't pretend that past experience doesn't effect out game here. I highly doubt that ANY ONE Nag named as possible Mafia is(Of course I could be wrong), none of them are stupid enough to stick together, it draws every ones attention.

But since TC unvoted me, I will do the same for him, since both of us have no solid record to base our votes one. I can't say that the town needs me for victory, but I think I could at-least help the town win. I trust no one, and will continue to not trust.

EDIT: I made my vote bold.

Unvote: TC
Edited by Menhad, Oct 2 2009, 04:51 PM.
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Oct 2 2009, 04:51 PM
I am curious about RD as-well.
Well, I posted a few times earlier in this thread. I commented about the Jew thing earlier, and I sided with Paradise about the "no vote" thing. I know I haven't posted that much, but honestly, I just don't have that much to say. TC doesn't strike me as more suspicious than any other player this round, and I think the whole "Vote for TC the first round" thing is kind of silly - not to mention its not really very fair if its not based on anything other than superstition. I thought Nag's analyses were interesting, but I found it interesting that he basically fingered half of the people in the game other than him. And I don't think that these first round votes are much to build a theory of voting blocs on either. I thought Telo looked kind of suspicious, but Telo usually looks suspicious to me. So I don't really know much.

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That, combined with the fact that people tend to just rape him for no reason, makes me inclined to give TC the benefit of doubt.
I love using quotes out of context. :lol:
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I don't know what else to say that this point, It looks like I'm gonna get lynched.

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You are Charles Xavier.

You are the cop for this game, which means, using your psychic power once during every Night round, you can ask me about a character and I will tell you if he's a good guy or a villain.

You win with the Town.


Awesome job guys, I was just trying to be helpful. Thanks for making me look like scum Telo(Even though HE DEFENDED ME ONCE), thanks for making up stupid reasons to vote for me TC, and thanks for just trying to look better Nag. :rolleyes:

TC is an idiot, but since he had no way of knowing I was the cop, he is innocent as far as I know.

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I don't know what else to say that this point, It looks like I'm gonna get lynched.

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You are Charles Xavier.

You are the cop for this game, which means, using your psychic power once during every Night round, you can ask me about a character and I will tell you if he's a good guy or a villain.

You win with the Town.


Awesome job guys, I was just trying to be helpful. Thanks for making me look like scum Telo(Even though HE DEFENDED ME ONCE), thanks for making up stupid reasons to vote for me TC, and thanks for just trying to look better Nag. :rolleyes:

TC is an idiot, but since he had no way of knowing I was the cop, he is innocent as far as I know.

But just to try an save my ass I will vote for TC, on the off chance he gets more votes than me in these waning hours.
Vote: TC

EDIT: But in the end I guess it doesn't matter, the Mafia will kill me, because I doubt the doctor trust me. So lynch me I don't care at least that way you know I'm not lying.
Edited by Menhad, Oct 2 2009, 09:15 PM.
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Uh...sorry Menhad :shy:

Unvote: No One
Vote: Telosan

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That's what RD will do to you, you need to keep an eye out on him. He will make you think black is white and white is black.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 2 2009, 10:12 PM.
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Unvote: Telosan
Vote: TC

We can still save Menhad.

We need someone to change his vote, in order to result in a tie and a no-lynch.

Players currently online:

RD - should vote TC
Esternarx - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)
Lebowski - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)
Quaon - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)

Anyone from that group (RD, E, Leb, Quaon) who doesn't change their vote to save Menhad should be investigated overnight because they are probably mafia/non-town and happy to stand by while Menhad gets lynched.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 2 2009, 10:24 PM.
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Unvote: Menhad

Though role revelation should be illegal, at least in regards to posting the actual description.
Edited by Quaon, Oct 2 2009, 10:26 PM.
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Tristan da Cunha
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This should now result in a tie and a no lynch. No more votes need to be shifted.
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Tristan da Cunha
Oct 2 2009, 10:22 PM
Unvote: Telosan
Vote: TC

We can still save Menhad.

We need someone to change his vote, in order to result in a tie and a no-lynch.

Players currently online:

RD - should vote TC
Esternarx - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)
Lebowski - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)
Quaon - should unvote Menhad (but not vote TC)
Ok.


Vote: TC


TC
 

Anyone from that group (RD, E, Leb, Quaon) who doesn't change their vote to save Menhad should be investigated overnight because they are probably mafia/non-town and happy to stand by while Menhad gets lynched.

Or they might not be paying attention, or not want to seem like they are following your direction, or any number of other things.


Quaon
 
Though role revelation should be illegal, at least in regards to posting the actual description.


In fact, I'm 95% sure we agreed before that quoting role PMs was a no-no.
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Oct 2 2009, 10:29 PM
This should now result in a tie and a no lynch. No more votes need to be shifted.
Sorry. Didn't see this while I was posting.


Unvote: TC
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Currently at:
TC-4
Menhad-3
Telosan-2
RD-1
Nag-1

Last vote gets thrown out then?
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Oct 2 2009, 10:45 PM
Currently at:
TC-4
Menhad-3
Telosan-2
RD-1
Nag-1

Last vote gets thrown out then?
Yes, Allesandra said that she throws out the most recent vote in the count, and that if there is a tie no one gets lynched, IIRC.
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Unvote: Menhad

Vote: RD

Down with the king.
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The day has ended.

With four votes, TC is lynched.

TC was Captain Kirk.

It is now Night One. Night One will last until Monday, October 5, 12:00 a.m.


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You just killed William Shatner, a Gentle and Benevolent Jew.
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