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| ComiCon Gone Wrong!; A very funny idea of a mafia game | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 28 2009, 12:22 PM (3,753 Views) | |
| Rhadamanthus | Oct 1 2009, 06:41 PM Post #76 |
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Telo: Indeed, but since you started it again, surely that indicates that you want to go through it again?
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Oct 1 2009, 06:41 PM.
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| Menhad | Oct 1 2009, 06:41 PM Post #77 |
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When does the day end? Because I really would like to know. Listen, either I say no vote, or we kill TC. He is unreliable and he will continue to throw off the voters from any real discussion. Tradition is tradition for a reason ;) |
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| Telosan | Oct 1 2009, 06:45 PM Post #78 |
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:lol: I don't volunteer myself unless my death would serve a purpose. Like a cop correctly identifing the last mafiate and needing a way to prove it, doing so by telling people to lynch him/her first to prove they're telling the truth. Telosan's School of Acting Scummy is back in buisness. |
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| Allesandra | Oct 1 2009, 06:56 PM Post #79 |
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The day ends on Saturday, October 3, 2009 at 12:00 a.m. CST |
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| Menhad | Oct 1 2009, 07:00 PM Post #80 |
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Thank you. I'm keeping my vote for TC, unless something says I should change my vote. |
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| Telosan | Oct 1 2009, 07:48 PM Post #81 |
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That's a long day. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 1 2009, 07:51 PM Post #82 |
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UNVOTE: Huesca Vote: Telosan You have confused me far to much. |
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| Telosan | Oct 1 2009, 07:53 PM Post #83 |
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:lol: I've confused myself just as much. Also, you're supposed to type UNVOTE: (whoever it was) and put it in green. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 1 2009, 08:03 PM Post #84 |
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fixed. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Oct 2 2009, 03:44 AM Post #85 |
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Telosan's vigorousness in trying to deflect votes from Menhad is notable. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Oct 2 2009, 08:15 AM Post #86 |
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TC is the first to vote. He votes for Menhad. Quaon votes Menhad. Leb agrees. All give the same reason - agreeing with TC. Game of this size, you'd expect three (maybe four, maybe 2) mafia. But... TC has claimed to be a good guy. That, combined with the fact that people tend to just rape him for no reason, makes me inclined to give TC the benefit of doubt. I'm not happy with it. I'm in no way comfortable with it. It's TC we're talking about here. But he at least deserves a fair shot. **** Menhad was eager to kick things off. Huesca casts the second vote - the first against TC. Telosan jumps straight onto voting for TC. Menhad votes for TC - claiming TC's logic to be faulty. Again, that's a voting block of three. This block is turned against a player that the town is likely to lynch. The fact that Telosan is trying to "protect" Menhad is potentially scummy. If he is trying to protect Menhad. (If TC is trying to make it look like there's a connection where there isn't one then it's TC acting scummy.) But... the town is likely to lynch TC. TC is probably the best mafia player (followed by Paradise). The fact that three people all agree on this doesn't necessarily mean these three people are mafia. It's a strong indication - picking on someone the town would be willing to gang up on - but it's hardly definitive. **** These are two clear voting blocks. That does not mean that one of these groups of players are mafia. Really, it's too early in the game to say "these players are mafia". It's too early to even say "these players are more likely than not to be mafia". However, I think that one of these two blocks is more likely to be the mafia than anyone else at this stage. That's not to say that other players aren't suspicious. Paradise is determined not to lynch. Atticus is flipping to vote for a more likely target. NH is perpetually suspicious. Leb is determinedly quiet. Etc, etc, etc. Normally I'd wait a while and collect more data before voting, but I'm moving house and might not be able to get online again. Lemme stress this: I think there are two voting blocks. Either one could be mafia. It's 50:50 in my mind. I'm really not happy about casting this vote - but the town needs to vote for someone if we're going to win. So I'm flipping a coin between Menhad and TC. Please use my logic but remember the choice between Menhad and TC that I'm making is a coin flip. Agreeing with my logic does not mean agreeing with my vote. Wait, watch, read and discuss: because either Menhad or TC might do something that shifts suspicion onto them more. Vote: TC |
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| East Anarx | Oct 2 2009, 08:30 AM Post #87 |
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So, Nag, why don't you think Telosan could be mafia? What's your reasoning? |
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| New Harumf | Oct 2 2009, 08:56 AM Post #88 |
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Perhaps because he is Mafia too?? I see no reason to vote TC or Menhad based on what we have seen so far. My most likely candidates are those currently voting for TC. I will, however, not change my vote AT THIS TIME. |
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| East Anarx | Oct 2 2009, 08:58 AM Post #89 |
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Nag and Telosan both seem suspicious to me. |
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| Menhad | Oct 2 2009, 09:48 AM Post #90 |
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All I can say about Nag's post is this. Me and Telo where Mafia together in a different game, and I sure as hell put a knife in his back when it helped me. Right now we have nothing to go on, and his loyalty wouldn't pay off. |
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| flumes | Oct 2 2009, 11:10 AM Post #91 |
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I agree 100%. Both there posts so far have seemed 'off' in a few ways.. ... I remember one game (Vampires vs. Werewolves) where I got bit, or something, and found out who I had been lobbying the whole game against (Q) was in fact Mafia. Although he wasn't too happy about it, I voted against him to lynch him, knowing that my continued lobbying would give me major credibility. I think we actually ended up losing, it was definitely a close finish... But since then I've realized if a player is going to get lynched, it may be better to go against them for credibility. I find that a bit harder to believe here... Not a popular enough choice, and it's too easy to lynch elsewhere in the first round. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Oct 2 2009, 11:20 AM Post #92 |
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If you read my post you'll see that Telosan is part of Menhad's block. If TC is mafia then it stands to reason that Quaon and Leb are also mafia - because they're voting for the same player. If Menhad is mafia, then it stands to reason that Huesca and Telosan are also mafia - because they are voting for the same player. [Edit] For clarity, Right at the start we see two players get ganged up on. With people supposedly voting randomly or based on a lack of information, this seems like a little too much of a co-incidence. Thus suggesting that it's a mafia gang attack. Of course, it can happen coincidently - and, unless there's two mafia's (which I doubt), at least one of those blocks has to be "coincidental". Telosan gets ganged up on equally as much based on his behaviour rather than people agreeing with each other for no reason. It's perfectly possible that he's part of Menhad's mafia block. But the reasons people have posted for Telosan looking suspicious don't seem as compelling as two voting blocks forming straight away against two players. **** I don't think that E is mafia. Could be, but I'm not accusing him. Little bit of a low blow to pick on a player who says they might not be able to get online - but that's how the game is played I guess. I'm not posting unusually - take a look at any previous mafia game and you'll see me making similar posts based on inference. For example, in the first game I played in I pointed out that the mafia players were all going after the same people in the daily vote: no-one listened to me and I ended up being the last townie to die before the mafia won. People do post differently when they're mafia and when they're town. It's a good thing to go on. So please, go look at my previous posts and reassure yourselves that I'm acting the same way I always do. What - Menhad, Telosan and Huesca? Because in my post I pointed out that they're my top suspects - tied with TC, Quaon and Leb. Glad we agree. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 2 2009, 11:34 AM.
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| Allesandra | Oct 2 2009, 12:02 PM Post #93 |
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Vote Count: Menhad: 3 T.C.:4 Telosan: 2 No one: 2 Remember: The day ends tonight at 12:00 a.m. If nine votes are not gotten for any of these players, the last vote of the day will be thrown out and then whoever has the most votes will be lynched. However, if two players are tied for a lynch, no one will be lynched. |
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| East Anarx | Oct 2 2009, 12:10 PM Post #94 |
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While I'm still not convinced that you aren't scum, Nag, your reasoning about Menhad's suspiciousness seems valid. Unvote: Telosan Vote: Menhad I don't believe TC is as suspicious as Menhad, but that might just be me empathizing with TC against the "traditional Kill TC immediately" strategy. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Oct 2 2009, 12:23 PM Post #95 |
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Allesandra, on the next vote count can you indicate who would be lynched if voting ended right at that moment?
A vigilant eye should be kept on Nag. A favorite mafia tactic is to nonchalantly speculate on the number of mafia.
RD is the strongest player; not only is he never under any circumstances suspected to be mafia, it's a testament to the strength of his game that he isn't suspected to be a strong player. He isn't even suspected to exist; rather he is an immensely powerful and influential disembodied voice that has not lost a game IIRC. An eye needs to be kept on RD. ****** Telosan threw a fit when people started to vote Menhad. Nag has been as chatty as Telosan in trying to deflect votes away from Menhad, but Nag has been more subtle about it, producing a large amount of extraneous speculation and even using a ploy of a "coin flip". Yet Nag still has a sense of urgency to direct votes to TC. I wouldn't be surprised if Nag, Menhad, and Telo are mafia. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 2 2009, 12:27 PM.
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| Allesandra | Oct 2 2009, 12:28 PM Post #96 |
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No problem. At this point, E's last vote for Menhad would be thrown out, and with T.C. having the most amount of votes, he would be lynched. Edited by Allesandra, Oct 2 2009, 12:29 PM.
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Oct 2 2009, 01:28 PM Post #97 |
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I coin flipped my vote for TC. Both TC and Menhad are equally suspicious in my book. However, people are making it clear that they think my vote for TC rather than Menhad is suspicious. If I were to change my vote to Menhad this late in the day, it'd be a scummy move. Me changing my vote would increased the chances of a lynch. I think that it's scummy that TC is encouraging me to vote flip. So, I'm keeping my vote on TC. However, I'm going to address this "Nag is evil and protecting mafia" thing once and for all: If TC gets lynched and is mafia then I'm voting for Leb or Q next. If TC gets lynched and is town, then I'm voting for Menhad next - that'll prove I'm not protecting Menhad (I'll happily vote for Telo or H instead). If Menhad gets lynched tonight and is mafia then I'm voting for Telo or H tomorrow. If Menhad gets lynched tonight and is town then I'm voting for TC tomorrow. I've said since my first post that I think either TC or Menhad is mafia. I have no trouble in putting my vote where my mouth is and proving that I'm not protecting anyone. Edited by Nag Ehgoeg, Oct 2 2009, 01:32 PM.
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| Tristan da Cunha | Oct 2 2009, 01:40 PM Post #98 |
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Nag is highly suspicious, he may need to be eliminated the next day. He has named half a dozen people and recorded excuses why he will vote for them, so if they turn out to be townies he will simply say "don't blame me, at least I reasoned out my vote," and continue to vote down townies one by one. |
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| Nag Ehgoeg | Oct 2 2009, 01:54 PM Post #99 |
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I've named two sets of people who voted together immediately on day 1 for no good reason. If TC and Menhad both turn out innocent then I will have been proved wrong and have no good reason to vote for H, Leb, Telo or Q. If either TC or Menhad turn out to be guilty, then (just like in the first game I played) I will have uncovered the mafia block and completely owned this game. And the rest of you should build a statue to me for pegging the mafia from half-way through day 1. **** TC, lets work on the assumption that you and I are both innocent. You are saying it's scummy that I don't vote for Menhad. You're also saying that if I vote for Menhad tomorrow then I'm acting scummy. According to you, I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. What am I supposed to do here? If I changed my vote from you to Menhad now, it'd be scummy. It also seems to be the only thing that'll stop you from claiming I'm mafia. You see my problem here? You're saying I'm scum if I don't vote for Menhad and I'm scum if I do vote for Menhad but let you die first. As I see it, the least scummy thing I can do is keep my vote the same and promise to vote for Menhad tomorrow. If I was scum, I'd want to kill any innocent townie. The scummy thing would be to ensure that someone gets killed. Which means ganging up on someone. The most effective way for me to do that would be to vote for Menhad. In the interests of proving that I'm not out to kill anyone then all I can do is keep my vote on TC - even if other people change their vote so it looks like TC won't get lynched. |
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| Tristan da Cunha | Oct 2 2009, 02:09 PM Post #100 |
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This early in the game H, Leb, Telo, and Q's votes do not necessarily have a logical relationship to TC's and Menhad's status. However, Telo's vote is notable for its vehemence.
There's no hard and fast rule that a late vote-change is scummy, even though you are trying to implant such a rule into people's minds, to reinforce your excuse. We've been through enough iterations of the game that no hard rules or conventional wisdom necessarily apply anymore. Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 2 2009, 02:11 PM.
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