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NS2 and The H
Topic Started: Sep 26 2009, 12:22 PM (2,133 Views)
Draxis
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I'm still going to have the historical displacement around the time of the arab conquests that just did not gain steam in persia.
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East Anarx
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That map sucks. I want Iceland and Scandinavia.
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lebowski2123
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flumes
Oct 2 2009, 01:22 AM
Are these NS1 nations then since NS2 doesn't exist?
There are no nations from a third party site, it's based on when you joined the forums.
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Union
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I say we use this map: Max 15 slots per person. 30 in the Balkans. That's more than enough. :)
Edited by Union, Oct 2 2009, 10:02 AM.
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Rhadamanthus
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Huesca
Oct 2 2009, 10:02 AM
I say we use this map: Max 15 slots per person. 30 in the Balkans. That's more than enough. :)
Which map?
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East Anarx
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This map:
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I don't like it because it doesn't show Iceland or the northern parts of Scandinavia. I don't care about it that much though. I fully intend to RP in those areas whether they are on the map or not. If we use it, I'd like 2S, 3S, 4S, 5S, 6S, 7S, 8S, 8R, and 9R.
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New Harumf
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1i, 5i, 6i, 7i.

I don't like this because there is no reaL defined Portugal.
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flumes
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This is interesting.
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Sedulius
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Um, any official verdict on what we're doing?

I skimmed through the thread.

I RD isn't being the Byzantines, you know I'm taking it.

Of course, I would also like to play an Irish nation, if that would be allowable. At the very least, I'd be Ulster. But if not, the Byzantines will just have to come in later and take back old Roman possessions in the Isles. :evil:

Both nations would be fighting a constant uphill battle.

EDIT: Also, I saw there was a proposal for unique units. That being the case, I would need to come up with an entirely unique unit roster for the Byzantines. Royal Kataphractoi (cataphracts) and Pelekyphorai Axemen (the Varangian Guard) are but a couple of the many unique troops the Byzantine army had.
Edited by Sedulius, Oct 2 2009, 04:41 PM.
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Draxis
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I think that the Levant should NOT be listed as a wasteland. I mean really, the holy land, the land that chirstians sort of obsessed about for a very long time and was the part of several large empires?

That and well I wanted my part of the map to be based out of the levant...
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Telosan
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Sed, my idea was for 1 unique unit per faction. If we add more, it becomes to complex, but is entirely feasible. I say we start with 1 unnque unit and go from there. Maybe 1 land and 1 sea unit.

If we're claiming places, I'll be Venice, as close to historically accurate as the map allows. I'd be interested in seeing several Italiand and German citystates.

2IT, 11IT, 12IT, 13IT, 1T, 28T, 28A, and the Jerusalem area if we decide to make the Levant habitable.

Just thought of something. There's going to be a difference between the worldmap and battlemap, right? The unit movement listed on the chart, I would assume, is the battlemap movement. For the worldmap, are naval units to go 2 spaces (unless listed otherwise) and lands units 1 per turn? How would mountains/deserts/etc be handled?
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lebowski2123
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3AH, 4AH, 11AH, 12AH tentatively, from what I can tell that should encompass northern Hungary.
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Toussaint
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8F, 9F, 7F, 5F, 6F, 4F, 3F, and 10F to make up the Kingdom of France. :)
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Union
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Whoops. Forgot to post it. Eh, whatever. I'm not at home right now, but I'll post it later. It is just the Kybelis map with provinces, for Europe.

E, I'll catch flak for this, but w/e. It's annoying as fuck having an anarchist nation in 15th century Europe. You barely RP your anarchist nations in NS1, so I dunno why you're so into RPing them on NS2 where the general consensus is to try to be marginally more realistic. :rolleyes:

Whatever.
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New Harumf
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Any purely mercantile nation (i.e. the Dutch) can easily be played as a free-market state. I doubt if he will try to impose any economic philosophies not yet in play. It would be like trying to play a Marxist state in the same time frame.
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Union
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Is he the Dutch, or one of the Italian states, where it could make some sort of convuluted sense?
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Draxis
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Telosan
Oct 2 2009, 10:02 PM
2IT, 11IT, 12IT, 13IT, 1T, 28T, 28A, and the Jerusalem area if we decide to make the Levant habitable.
Hey now, I already claimed the levant.
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East Anarx
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Anarchism is a philosophy that has been expressed in various forms by multiple individuals and peoples throughout history. Laozi expressed anarchistic ideas and the roots of anti-authoritarian thought can be traced to even earlier Confucian writings.

Do fascists not read history?

The Icelandic Commonwealth, (which existed between 930 and 1262,) was very anarchistic. I wanted to play as Iceland, with the roots for my nation beginning in 932 when the Althing, (Iceland's anarchistic, non-territorial judicial and legislative system,) abolishes limits on its number of seats, (a not totally implausible act that would radically change the history of Iceland, possibly preventing the monopolization of the courts by Christian Imperialists from Scandinavia in the years leading up to 1000, and perhaps culturally influencing mainland Scandinavia towards anarchism in unexpected ways.) I've been laying the foundations of this alternate history since NS2 was first introduced.

But whatever, since it seems like the split of timelines that far back will be forbidden, and the map doesn't even have Iceland on it, I'm working on a plausible way to visualize an alternative history in Scandinavia from 1350 to 1452. You should, at the very least, wait until I post something about it before you try to drop the banhammer on me for being an anarchist.

It should be noted, that prior to 1653, Ireland was basically anarchistic. So, if anyone is playing a state, (when historically there was anarchy,) in Ireland, why shouldn't I be able to play an anarchy, (when historically there was a state,) in Scandinavia?
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Telosan
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Draxis
Oct 4 2009, 05:11 AM
Telosan
Oct 2 2009, 10:02 PM
2IT, 11IT, 12IT, 13IT, 1T, 28T, 28A, and the Jerusalem area if we decide to make the Levant habitable.
Hey now, I already claimed the levant.
Following the Crusades, the Jewish state practicaly gave Venice automony in the area. I'm not sure what the state of the Venetian control of the land would be by the year we start playing, but I do know that by the fall of the Byzantines in the earlier half of the century, Venice still held the area. The main portion Venice focused on was about the size of a city, just filled with farmland, just 5 miles north of Jerusalem.
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Tristan da Cunha
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Sep 29 2009, 11:37 PM
Wow. This might actually happen. As I said earlier, I'd be more than happy to run NPCs or help moderate actions or whatever is necessary to keep the game running smoothly. One request though. Will someone please link me to actual rules the H posted, so that I know what I might be getting myself into?
I am thinking of helping out with the NPC's too. I won't have much time to RP but NPC duties should be more of the incidental nature and therefore more manageable in terms of a time and brainpower commitment.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Oct 4 2009, 01:08 PM.
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Telosan
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I'd be interested in helping with NPC's as well, but only with those far from where Venice is, lest I be tempted of uniting Italy too early. :gnarkgnark:

Bored, so I filled in the map as it stands, with the exception of Draxis' and my claims in the Levant, as I'm not sure what to do there.

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This is a strange map. I tried to fill a nation in red, but it showed up green. I put green in, but it came out orange. Purple was blue, and I've no idea what blue was.
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New Harumf
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Your spoiler opens nothing!

Oops, never mind.
Edited by New Harumf, Oct 4 2009, 02:05 PM.
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Sedulius
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Esternarx
Oct 4 2009, 11:47 AM
Anarchism is a philosophy that has been expressed in various forms by multiple individuals and peoples throughout history. Laozi expressed anarchistic ideas and the roots of anti-authoritarian thought can be traced to even earlier Confucian writings.

Do fascists not read history?

The Icelandic Commonwealth, (which existed between 930 and 1262,) was very anarchistic. I wanted to play as Iceland, with the roots for my nation beginning in 932 when the Althing, (Iceland's anarchistic, non-territorial judicial and legislative system,) abolishes limits on its number of seats, (a not totally implausible act that would radically change the history of Iceland, possibly preventing the monopolization of the courts by Christian Imperialists from Scandinavia in the years leading up to 1000, and perhaps culturally influencing mainland Scandinavia towards anarchism in unexpected ways.) I've been laying the foundations of this alternate history since NS2 was first introduced.

But whatever, since it seems like the split of timelines that far back will be forbidden, and the map doesn't even have Iceland on it, I'm working on a plausible way to visualize an alternative history in Scandinavia from 1350 to 1452. You should, at the very least, wait until I post something about it before you try to drop the banhammer on me for being an anarchist.

It should be noted, that prior to 1653, Ireland was basically anarchistic. So, if anyone is playing a state, (when historically there was anarchy,) in Ireland, why shouldn't I be able to play an anarchy, (when historically there was a state,) in Scandinavia?
Well, you can be Ireland and I can be the Byzantine Empire. Just keep Ireland out of those British bastard's hands. That's all I ask.
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Sedulius
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Okay, big thing here. Have we really agreed that we're doing just the European map? Furthermore, have we really agreed to replace NS2 with this?

I'm not sure I approve.

In any case, if this is what we're doing, and I don't have opposition from RD, I would like the historical lands of the Byzantine Empire depending on the year we start. Nation would of course call itself Basileia ton Rhomaion (Βασιλεία τῶν Ῥωμαίων - Empire of the Romans).

I will of course be launching campaigns to retake the Empire's former possessions, eyes against the Turks (if any) first, then the Venetians.
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Telosan
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As far as I know, this has been approved by a good portion of people. Anyone who opposes hasn't said anything.

Huesca's proposal said we'd start with the European map and as time went on, we'd open other areas of the world after a set time.

IRL, the Byzantines were on good/alright/neutral terms with the Venetians. The land near Jerusalem was allowed to be handed over as reward for Venice's role in rescuing Constantinople from the Turks. The land in Egypt was the result of a buisness transaction, though Venice did overstep the line set in the deal. The rest of Venice is outside of Byzantine lands, unless of course you're counting the Western Roman Empire as well.

EDIT: There's also a limit on the number of territories you can pick, and you can't get the whole empire in 15 territories. In fact, I think the empire fell by the time we're starting, though I'm not sure. You could explain the small size of the empire by claiming the Arabs took it.

EDIT 2: BTW, when are we going to get this started?
Edited by Telosan, Oct 4 2009, 06:12 PM.
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