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The Rome Question
Topic Started: Sep 19 2009, 06:30 PM (586 Views)
Sedulius
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I just want to know where everyone stands currently on the issue of IC Catholicism.

None of the Churches are really going anywhere right now because everyone is busy.

The main issue on my mind is Rome. We aren't doing anything with it, really. All church factions are near it, and could take control, realistically.

I do want a Pope in Rome for the "Old" Church, obviously. The Genesians, I'm sure, also want a Pope in Rome. And I'm sure RD would take Rome without a second thought.

So what do we do? How do we decide what happens? Honestly, I think the best thing to do is compromise, perhaps let all Churches have a piece of the cake. Divide Rome into quarters like Constantinople and Jerusalem. It would settle the issue somewhat.
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Ulgania
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If that happens, expect many, MANY inquisitions. Even if there is compromise any schism whatsoever is going to be treated militarily IC. Example.
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Actually the Holy Catholic Commonwealth is to invade Rome and claim it in the name of the one true faith, setting up Prince Thomas dos Santos Aveiro-Medici II as the Archduke and regent of Rome in the absence of the Pope since at the moment the Pope is in Northern Germany. Rome will be protected by by military detachments from all Genesians nations. However, as you said I've been busy but was actually getting ready to do it this weekend.

Yes Ulgania is correct, a division of Rome in quarters would never work as the Genesians will never agree to it and would go to war for as long as humanly possible to prevent it. Although OOC it would be fair, IC it would and could never work.
Edited by NRE, Sep 19 2009, 09:21 PM.
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Sedulius
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We could have a war where it gets split. Do something like the Berlin Wall.

Of course, that would be an epic war that would likely engulf many sectors of the globe.

Question: with the Genesians in control of Rome, would pilgrims of other religions be allowed in, namely Orthodox and Celtic Catholics?
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Kasnyia
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Cologne remains as it always had until I can actually get around to RPing any changes.

And we need to amalgamate all the various threads on this subject, because the amount we have on this particular topic is bordering on spam.
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Telosan
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Dividing Rome sounds good as far as being fair, but life isn't fair. IC, it would never, ever happen. At least not with the number of religions out there. If only 2 religions were in Rome, it might work, but the city would likely end up being dominated by religion-backed gang wars.
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It can happen, there just has to be a big war, and a big wall.

Yay! Sectarian violence!

EDIT: Changed topic title since we're mainly talking about Rome.
Edited by Sedulius, Sep 20 2009, 02:09 PM.
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My problem is that there are so many religions, mainly Catholic. I don't help much with that since I've mentioned that I want to make a church, though I wouldn't choose Rome for it's seat, more likely Venice or something in Galicia.

We really need to make a pinned and closed topic for a religion guide. Each religious founder would be in charge of maintaining his own guide. Might make it a bit easier and clear up some of the religious threads and questions.

Like I mentioned above, my religion would likely be centered in Venice. I think each religion will have to find it's own place to settle. Sed, pick something in Edessa. Christianity began in the Middle East and you're claiming to be the "old catholic church", so go back to where Christianity originated.
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Sedulius
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Woah, slow down Telo. That's not what the "Old" Church is about. If I wanted to do what you suggest, I'd just convert it all to Orthodoxy.

More to come later. I need to do some other things right now.
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Ulgania
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Another reason that I'm not exactly one for a split also has to do with the charm that our religions have. This would makes real life look like a cakewalk. It's fitting that our religions have a fictional spin to them just as our countries do. Enforcing an IC shift that would create a new real life variation would reduce its charm.

But that's not substantive, only an opinion.
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A Roman Wall wouldn't have charm? Everyone's been itching for a religious war, though I'm sure people want quite a bit of time before it happens. The Genesians taking Rome is the perfect reason for other factions to go to war with them. The Roman Empire is right there. The Venetians are right there. The Teutonic Order is right there. Do you see how good of a setup for war that is?!

I'll go more in depth later. I need to discuss things with some people.
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I agree, everything is set up perfectly.

HCH is Genesian and took over Rome. It was under Genesian control before, right? I don't see why that would be a big deal other that the HCH suddenly has more influence in Europe.
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My little enclave of Neo-Genesians might resurge a little. They tried to grab power again, they might still be a little pissed :lol:
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Not necessarily. Catholic Europe was in chaos. Rome, the I see it, was in control of no one. Besides, the Roman Empire has more than enough reason to take Rome from those who are more or less its enemies, the Genesians.

Sure, on the map it was reserved for the Genesians, but I see that as unfair. I don't see why it can't just be split by a wall after a stalemate war.

Old Church factions and Orthodox factions get along relatively well. They could cooperate in the struggle. The Genesians are the other side.

Again, I'm not sure what stake the Colognians would have in this.

But anyways, I think what I propose is reasonable enough. OOC, it's fair, and IC the wall would make enough sense. It could be somewhat like RL Jerusalem. Come on, that's rich with RP material!
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I haven't decided Cologne's stake just yet. Might make a claim, might not. All depends.

As for Rome and CE, Catholic Europe ran Rome as its military headquarters until its collapse following the death of Antonio.

And with regards to splitting Rome, rather than all that I say do what they did with Guam over on the Asian map and make it a neutral entity. Then it can be like musical chairs, since no one will "own" Rome, but people have to fight for each other in order to "defend" Rome.
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I'm all for Sed's idea, though I have some doubts that I've already stated. If Rome is divided, there will most definatly be a Venetian quarter. Venice would play a big role in any crusade on Rome, I'm the only one with land on the Italian Peninsula, RD's on the islands.

I'm not even sure what's up with Guam. No one's done anything with it and I was under the impression that it was placed off limits a while back. If we do that, Rome would fade into nothing. An ongoing small scale war within a city would be interesting, but unrealistic in the long run. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to roll with it.
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Telosan
Sep 20 2009, 08:55 PM
I'm all for Sed's idea, though I have some doubts that I've already stated. If Rome is divided, there will most definatly be a Venetian quarter. Venice would play a big role in any crusade on Rome, I'm the only one with land on the Italian Peninsula, RD's on the islands.

I'm not even sure what's up with Guam. No one's done anything with it and I was under the impression that it was placed off limits a while back. If we do that, Rome would fade into nothing. An ongoing small scale war within a city would be interesting, but unrealistic in the long run. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to roll with it.
I have Naples and the land around it. RD owns about the bottom 3rd of Italy.
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Sep 20 2009, 08:58 PM
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Sep 20 2009, 08:55 PM
I'm all for Sed's idea, though I have some doubts that I've already stated. If Rome is divided, there will most definatly be a Venetian quarter. Venice would play a big role in any crusade on Rome, I'm the only one with land on the Italian Peninsula, RD's on the islands.

I'm not even sure what's up with Guam. No one's done anything with it and I was under the impression that it was placed off limits a while back. If we do that, Rome would fade into nothing. An ongoing small scale war within a city would be interesting, but unrealistic in the long run. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to roll with it.
I have Naples and the land around it. RD owns about the bottom 3rd of Italy.
Hmm. I swear that wasn't there before... Eh, whatever. I'm still closest. :rolleyes:
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Its ben like that for months - Menhad, your enclave looked more like Salerno to me.
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I guess...

Venice opposes the the move in Rome, as I've just now posted in the Taking of Rome. If a war were to break out, I guess it'd result from there. Whether or not that ends up in Rome being divided, or whether anyone besides NRE, Menhad, or I are involved doesn't really matter. What Sed's talking about sounds like a crusade and there were multiple crusades. I may start my own here.

Hey, RD. What's the Byzantine stance on the HCH and the TO taking over Rome? I'm instigating a little and may want some support... :gnarkgnark:
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Sep 20 2009, 09:15 PM
Hey, RD. What's the Byzantine stance on the HCH and the TO taking over Rome? I'm instigating a little and may want some support... :gnarkgnark:
Since the takeover of Rome occurs during the Dominion storyline, the Empire is still re-establishing itself. It doesn't like the move, but is hardly at that point in a position to launch a military action.

If you were to start a war in the post-Dominion timeline, that would be a different story...
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Oh it's during the Dominion.

Is it at least towards the end, or close enough that it'd be considered a recent event after the Dominion? Venice doesn't even exist until the Dominion is gone, so neither does our little treaty.

Ugh, time is so confusing.
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Sep 20 2009, 06:27 PM
I haven't decided Cologne's stake just yet. Might make a claim, might not. All depends.

As for Rome and CE, Catholic Europe ran Rome as its military headquarters until its collapse following the death of Antonio.

And with regards to splitting Rome, rather than all that I say do what they did with Guam over on the Asian map and make it a neutral entity. Then it can be like musical chairs, since no one will "own" Rome, but people have to fight for each other in order to "defend" Rome.
I'd either go for this idea, or having Rome split between Genesians and Romans by a wall.

We're all discussing it.

EDIT: As far as any action against Genesian Rome, it would only make sense post-Dominion. The Order of Saint Patrick will fully support a reclamation crusade. But everyone has to agree to something.

I'm looking at a split between the Genesians and the Orthodox as most fair.
Edited by Sedulius, Sep 20 2009, 10:09 PM.
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Yes please, at least for my sanity, regarding the Dominion do it after the Dominion as a whole is gone.
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Kasnyia
Sep 20 2009, 11:55 PM
Yes please, at least for my sanity, regarding the Dominion do it after the Dominion as a whole is gone.
Yeah. I'm requesting this as well. Preferably some time after.
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