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Brotherhood of Chivalry
Topic Started: Sep 11 2009, 07:20 PM (715 Views)
Tristan da Cunha
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Miguel Cervantes may very well be one of the handful of people more badass than Cervantes de Leon.
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Sedulius
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Sep 15 2009, 09:33 PM
In this age of reason and logic, men like us aren't wanted. We stick to the old thoughts of honor and courage, and most people fear this.

I would suggest you use the Maltese Cross as your symbol. The eight points are said to symbolize the eight points of courage:
-Loyalty
-Piety
-Generosity
-Bravery
-Glory and honour
-Contempt of death
-Helpfulness towards the poor and the sick
-Respect for the church
I like your suggestion. I may heed it. I'll do more research given time.

I have a book originally written in 1356, A Knight's Own Book of Chivalry, by Geoffroi de Charny. It's a short read, but given the amount of research I have, it may be a while till I get to it. I plan to take multiple sources into consideration when forming the Brotherhood's own code and oaths.
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I been doing a little research, and I'm seeing all the unique names of past secular chivalric orders. Order of the Garter, Order of the Band, etc.

Surely I, or we, can come up with a better name for this one. Brotherhood of Chivalry is straight and to the point, but it simply isn't very original.

Any ideas?
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Knights of Quixote. ;)
Edited by Union, Sep 18 2009, 06:45 PM.
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Huesca
Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
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It was a joke, Sed. Chillax, man.
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Sedulius
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Sorry. You and Q have really been railing on me lately, so I'm on the defensive. I suppose it's my turn, though, given my harsh treatment of the atheists earlier this month.

If you have a serious answer though, I'd like to hear it.
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Sorry. I rail on everyone. No offense intended.
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Sep 18 2009, 06:46 PM
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Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
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Sep 18 2009, 09:27 PM
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Sep 18 2009, 06:46 PM
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Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
Rather, it was a satire of the chivalrous romances that were popular reading in Cervantes' day, which isn't even remotely the same thing. Remember, Cervantes voluntarily fought in the Battle of Lepanto, and actually viewed his part in that war as a defense of Christendom. So if would be erroneous to say that he was uniformly opposed to the knightly worldview. One can see him as critical of impractical or simplistic applications of the chivalric code of conduct, but it makes no sense to say that the book was a "rebuttal to Chivalry" because chivalry is not an argument to be rebutted.
Edited by Rhadamanthus, Sep 18 2009, 10:40 PM.
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"What I cannot help taking amiss is that he charges me with being old and one-handed, as if it had been in my power to keep time from passing over me, or as if the loss of my hand had been brought about in some tavern, and not on the grandest occasion the past or present has seen, or the future can hope to see [the Battle of Lepanto]. If my wounds have no beauty to the beholder's eye, they are, at least, honourable in the estimation of those who know where they were received; for the soldier shows to greater advantage dead in battle than alive in flight." -- Cervantes

Cervantes could kill Chuck Norris with a series of uppercuts issued from his one good arm.
Edited by Tristan da Cunha, Sep 18 2009, 11:23 PM.
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Sep 18 2009, 11:16 PM
Cervantes could kill Chuck Norris with a series of uppercuts issued from his one good arm.
NO. Fucking. Way.
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Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
Rather, it was a satire of the chivalrous romances that were popular reading in Cervantes' day, which isn't even remotely the same thing. Remember, Cervantes voluntarily fought in the Battle of Lepanto, and actually viewed his part in that war as a defense of Christendom. So if would be erroneous to say that he was uniformly opposed to the knightly worldview. One can see him as critical of impractical or simplistic applications of the chivalric code of conduct, but it makes no sense to say that the book was a "rebuttal to Chivalry" because chivalry is not an argument to be rebutted.
Well my bad ^^ , thanks for the clarification RD
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Sep 18 2009, 06:46 PM
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Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
Rather, it was a satire of the chivalrous romances that were popular reading in Cervantes' day, which isn't even remotely the same thing. Remember, Cervantes voluntarily fought in the Battle of Lepanto, and actually viewed his part in that war as a defense of Christendom. So if would be erroneous to say that he was uniformly opposed to the knightly worldview. One can see him as critical of impractical or simplistic applications of the chivalric code of conduct, but it makes no sense to say that the book was a "rebuttal to Chivalry" because chivalry is not an argument to be rebutted.
Well my bad ^^ , thanks for the clarification RD
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The Knights of the Grand Republic
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Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
Rather, it was a satire of the chivalrous romances that were popular reading in Cervantes' day, which isn't even remotely the same thing. Remember, Cervantes voluntarily fought in the Battle of Lepanto, and actually viewed his part in that war as a defense of Christendom. So if would be erroneous to say that he was uniformly opposed to the knightly worldview. One can see him as critical of impractical or simplistic applications of the chivalric code of conduct, but it makes no sense to say that the book was a "rebuttal to Chivalry" because chivalry is not an argument to be rebutted.
Well my bad ^^ , thanks for the clarification RD
Any time ^^
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Sep 19 2009, 10:20 AM
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Sep 19 2009, 10:06 AM
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Sep 18 2009, 09:27 PM
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Sep 18 2009, 06:46 PM
Huesca
Sep 18 2009, 06:41 PM
Knights of Quixote.
Why the insult? How, in any way, is the Brotherhood of Chivalry anything like Don Quixote?

Mind you, this thread has nothing to do with the thread that was split from it.
Well I know that I've been referencing Don Quixote because it was written as a rebuttal to Chivalry.
Rather, it was a satire of the chivalrous romances that were popular reading in Cervantes' day, which isn't even remotely the same thing. Remember, Cervantes voluntarily fought in the Battle of Lepanto, and actually viewed his part in that war as a defense of Christendom. So if would be erroneous to say that he was uniformly opposed to the knightly worldview. One can see him as critical of impractical or simplistic applications of the chivalric code of conduct, but it makes no sense to say that the book was a "rebuttal to Chivalry" because chivalry is not an argument to be rebutted.
Well my bad ^^ , thanks for the clarification RD
The Knights of the Mystic Eye
The Knights of Liberty
The Knights of Freedom
The Knights of the Grand Republic
Thje Knights of the Shadow
Interesting. Why these picks, NH?
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Digging up "The Plan" thread has made me realize certain changes I have instituted.

The Brotherhood currently has no knights. Frankly, none of us yet deserve such titles. Once I have written a code and an oath, and we take such oaths, then we may be knighted. I'll knight Fleischmann, he'll knight me, and we shall be the founders. We shall start at the rank of Knight Brother. Right now, we are but Initiates.

Everyone taken into the Brotherhood will have to be approved by both myself and Fleischmann in terms of their quality. Essentially, we are only taking in "our kind of people", which has no special requirements really. It just means the person has to "ring" with us. I'm not sure how else to explain. We just know who's right for it.

This means the Brotherhood will not grow quickly, but it also means the Brotherhood will be unified, cohesive, and pure (to a point). Eventually, we will probably lax our standards, but as a young order, we have to ensure we launch correctly.
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Nag Ehgoeg
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Sorry... who's Fleischmann?

How about:

The Order of Saint Jude

Jude kept the faith when all hope seemed lost, and so is the patron saint of lost causes and desperate situations. He's also the patron of police officers and hospital workers. I think that the Saint of Guardians and Healers, who watches over desperate situations (and causes that others think to be hopeless) would be a good person for your Brotherhood to venerate.
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He's the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes.

He's also the patron saint of cops, if I remember right.

I googled it, and I don't see another Order of St. Jude. This seems to suit us.

Thanks Nag, we'll take it into consideration.

As for Fleischmann, RL he is W.C. Fleshman, my best friend. I consider him a brother with or without the Order. He is an honorable man like myself, if not more honorable.

He's also who the character Fleischmann is based off of, though perhaps not too well.
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Hey guys, I apologize for forgetting my place as of late... again.

No more promises. I'll continue to attempt to live by the code, and I'll try to remember that when writing on this forum. I hope that's enough.

Humility is my greatest weakness.
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